You could die calmly and not in pain, or die in agony, bedridden 6 months later after having gone through almost complete hell from an illness. I know which one I'd pick.
Oh no, I'd rather force this person to suffer as opposed to being in peace. Time to force my opinion on this quadriplegic blind old man with terminal cancer.
[QUOTE=Elstumpo;30218657]Oh no, I'd rather force this person to suffer as opposed to being in peace. Time to force my opinion on this quadriplegic blind old man with terminal cancer.[/QUOTE]
What if the person didn't have a terminal illness and was completely healthy?
[QUOTE=carcarcargo;30218688]What if the person didn't have a terminal illness and was completely healthy?[/QUOTE]
oh well then it's totally okay to tell them what they can and can't do with their body
[QUOTE=Zeke129;30218845]oh well then it's totally okay to tell them what they can and can't do with their body[/QUOTE]
You can't stop them from killing themselves, but we should not help them.
Should be legal to administer to willing patients who have no or very little chance of survival.
Or to patients who could be kept alive, but it would render the patients life not worthy of living.
For example, if a patient is hospitalized for the rest of their life, they could request getting euthanized.
Or if the patient couldnt move for the rest of their life, or any other similiar, life-ruining condition.
[QUOTE=rukiddingme;30186072]Simple answer: Nothing should be illegal. Fuck rules I'm a human I do what I want thank you very much.[/QUOTE]
You should go on a shooting spree! People will agree with you and TOTALLY overthrow the government.
I skimmed the OP and I wholeheartedly agree, I think I should be allowed to euthanize whoever I want.
It definitely shouldn't be illegal, but not so accessible as to the point where anyone can walk in and kill themselves just on their request alone
[QUOTE=Jaehead;30188503]because generally people with suicidal thoughts can't think clearly
now euthanasia due to illness is a completely different story, but he was only talking about suicide[/QUOTE]
I disagree with you. Your basing the thought that suicidal people can't think clearly off your own definition of thinking clearly. Most of my friends are suicidal and it's not as much lacking to think clearly, it's thinking too clearly. When you realize how bad and evil the world is overall then you start to hate it and want to get away from it.
[QUOTE=Zeke129;30218845]oh well then it's totally okay to tell them what they can and can't do with their body[/QUOTE]
Look, committing suicide isn't an easy thing to do, but if someone would help you, it would instantly become alot easier, and it would cause bad consequences for rational decisions.
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[QUOTE=Chernobyl426;30220969]I disagree with you. Your basing the thought that suicidal people can't think clearly off your own definition of thinking clearly. Most of my friends are suicidal and it's not as much lacking to think clearly, it's thinking too clearly. When you realize how bad and evil the world is overall then you start to hate it and want to get away from it.[/QUOTE]
No, this is not what happens. Because the world isn't bad nor evil. But you start to hate your own life, becoming suicide, and since the life basically is your world, you hate the world.
[QUOTE=nono345;30179359]if young people want to go to asia I think it should be allowed[/QUOTE]
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[QUOTE=Awesomecaek;30178953]In absolutely hopeless cases and only with agreement of the patient, confirmed to be though through and serious decision by a psychologist.[/QUOTE]
What about coma patients who might never wake up, or patients that are unable to move or speak (a Johnny's Got His Gun situation)?
[QUOTE=SomTervo;30186039]
yeah domesticated dogs are nice and all but you want to know why domesticated dogs are nice? because we domesticated them.
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Actually it's quite likely that dogs domesticated themselves. (At least for the most part.) Wolves are scavengers, and its likely that they followed human settlements around for the scraps.
If I were to die, I would die on a rollercoaster.
[img]http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/3/3f/Euthanasia_Coaster.jpg[/img]
Weeeeeeeeeeeeeee.....*limp*
[QUOTE=Biotoxsin;30222353]Actually it's quite likely that dogs domesticated themselves. (At least for the most part.) Wolves are scavengers, and its likely that they followed human settlements around for the scraps.[/QUOTE]
We tied them to trees around a camp so they'll bark when a predator came near.
[QUOTE=MrJazzy;30222103]No, this is not what happens. Because the world isn't bad nor evil. But you start to hate your own life, becoming suicide, and since the life basically is your world, you hate the world.[/QUOTE]
I understand what your trying to say, it's what you allow yourself to see in the world.
[QUOTE=Helix Alioth;30214170]Humanity is that god-like entity.[/QUOTE]
No that's not how it works. A human can't set a universal standard for morality because someone else will always genuinely contest it.
Yes
[QUOTE=Robbobin;30222430]No that's not how it works. A human can't set a universal standard for morality because someone else will always genuinely contest it.[/QUOTE]
No such thing as a universal standard for morality.
[QUOTE=No_0ne;30222471]No such thing as a universal standard.[/QUOTE]
Yeah there is. Geometry is universal.
[QUOTE=Robbobin;30222536]Yeah there is. Geometry is universal.[/QUOTE]
Not a standard though..
I'm in favor of legalised euthanasia, provided that it is closely regulated and considered to be a last resort.
[QUOTE=MrJazzy;30222659]Not a standard though..[/QUOTE]
I was trying to use as charitable an interpretation of standard as possible since 'universal standard' is technically a logical contradiction.
[QUOTE=Robbobin;30222832]I was trying to use as charitable an interpretation of standard as possible since 'universal standard' is technically a logical contradiction.[/QUOTE]
Oh right, now I get it :v:
[QUOTE=TehWhale;30188352]why don't you think people have the right to end their life?[/QUOTE]
I don't think that they don't, I just think it would be unethical for a doctor to help them.
Only a fool assumes that all things are universal. For as soon as something arises that is subject, that person is made the fool. The problem is determining if anything is universal. And if there in question exist universals, then how do we as a species recognize and/or understand those laws.
Also,
Hmmmm... nachos.
I think that the person who goes to the hospital should be allowed to sign a form that will allow the hospital to euthanize someone that is in critical condition.
[QUOTE=carcarcargo;30218867]You can't stop them from killing themselves, but we should not help them.[/QUOTE]
so instead they should do it in a way that has a chance of leaving them only permanently injured (hanging, etc) or, worse, a chance of hurting someone else (driving their car into an oncoming semi, etc)?
It should be legal because its a good idea if properly applied,
however budget cuts and pressure on pacients make them take forceful desitions which abuse the concept.
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