• Is Pedophilia a Mental Illness/Disorder?
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[QUOTE=DangerStranger;32645860]If it is a mental disorder, then technically, every fetish is. Whether that fetish be stockings, or a vocal partner. Doesn't change that pedos are fucking creepy and shit though.[/QUOTE] The difference most pedophiles don't do it for sexual purposes. They do it by purely random drives they can't control. There was once a tv report focusing on several pedophiles, how they dealt with their problem and how they solved. They all had the same reaction at the question "did you know what you were doing" - once they did/are about to do it, they have no idea what the fuck brought them to want that. Also, yeah, it is a mental disorder. You will never find a pedophile who's just evil and likes to traumatize children because he's a bad guy. There probably are a few who like what they're doing, but it's never a choice - they never get up in the morning and say "oh hey I'm going to become a monster and rape children". You should also draw a line between pedophiles targeting very young/young kids, and pedophiles targeting jail-baits. The last category is less of a mental disorder and more of a simple "old perv" problem that is only caused by a freaky fetish and a strong denial of the fact they're aging.
Depends on the society they are in. If it's against societal norms and is *really bad* then yes, it's a mental disorder.
If they actually seek out kids to use, they have a mental disorder by our standards. Usually by the time you're a teen you have some theory of mind, and active pedophiles clearly lack that ability to empathize and fully understand the consequences they impose on other people. You could say they're stunted, developmentally.
By our societies standards, I would deem it a mental illness as it's a sexuality based on doing something illegal. I don't think they should be out in jail unless they've actually done something to a child, I look at pedophilia a bit like I do on homosexuality (don't jump to dumb conclusions because of this statement please), in that it's something they didn't choose and it's something they have to live with. Their sexuality just happens to be against the social standards of our community, they should not be punished for that, but they do need a lot of help to avoid living out their sexuality.
An illegal fetish. Just like rape can be.
[QUOTE=The one that is;32652024]An illegal fetish. Just like rape can be.[/QUOTE] People with rape fetishes are rarely rapists though.
They're sick fucks
I'm not sure is pedophilia a mental disorder, more like forbidden fetish or sexual disorder. As long as pedophiles keep it in their own fantasies and don't commit them to actual children, it's acceptable. Pedophiles [I]should[/I] get quickly psychological help if they have plans on child molesting, before they do something that damages a child.
[B]Yes, Pedophilia is a disorder.[/B] In the DSM - IV - TR (The Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders) Paraphilias are listed as a Sexual and Gender Identity Disorder. Paraphilia's are characterized by an intense sexually arousing fantasy, urge, or behaviors that involve 1. Nonhuman objects 2. The suffering or humiliation of oneself or one's partner 3. Children or other noncensenting persons that occur over a period of at least 6 months If you have a desire to have sex with children for a period lasting over 6 months, yes you are a Pedophile and yes that means Pedophilia is a Sexual Disorder (and more broadly a Mental Disorder).
[QUOTE=The one that is;32652024]An illegal fetish. Just like rape can be.[/QUOTE] Pedophilia isn't illegal. [editline]6th October 2011[/editline] [QUOTE=InvaderNouga;32658768][B]Yes, Pedophilia is a disorder.[/B] In the DSM - IV - TR (The Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders) Paraphilias are listed as a Sexual and Gender Identity Disorder. Paraphilia's are characterized by an intense sexually arousing fantasy, urge, or behaviors that involve 1. Nonhuman objects 2. The suffering or humiliation of oneself or one's partner 3. Children or other noncensenting persons that occur over a period of at least 6 months If you have a desire to have sex with children for a period lasting over 6 months, yes you are a Pedophile and yes that means Pedophilia is a Sexual Disorder (and more broadly a Mental Disorder).[/QUOTE] According to this, nearly every fetish or paraphilia is a disorder and it renders the definition of disorder null
[QUOTE=InvaderNouga;32658768][B]Yes, Pedophilia is a disorder.[/B] In the DSM - IV - TR (The Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders) Paraphilias are listed as a Sexual and Gender Identity Disorder. Paraphilia's are characterized by an intense sexually arousing fantasy, urge, or behaviors that involve 1. Nonhuman objects 2. The suffering or humiliation of oneself or one's partner 3. Children or other noncensenting persons that occur over a period of at least 6 months If you have a desire to have sex with children for a period lasting over 6 months, yes you are a Pedophile and yes that means Pedophilia is a Sexual Disorder (and more broadly a Mental Disorder).[/QUOTE] That's going by the DSM definition. The DSM definition has changed before and can be debated, so it's not just a cold hard fact just because the DSM says so. I feel like I should join in on this discussion because I am a pedophile. But I've got to go to bed. I agree it's a mental disorder of sorts. Brain fucked up at one point, probably in the early childhood or even before, or a combination. But it doesn't necessarily have to be a bad thing. It's obviously a bad thing if a pedophile goes out and hurts someone because of it in one way or another, but if he doesn't then what the hell. Really, I dislike all those words that are being used to describe things like this. Disease? Mental illness? Disorder? Deviant sexuality? Orientation? Affliction? Fetish? Really it all means the same, they just have different connotations. The reality of it is that some people with pedophilia end up doing terrible things, but the majority of them never do anything bad.
Pedophilia and child molestation are not the same thing, I believe that it's more akin to liking men, just with children. It can't be helped.
Yes.
[QUOTE=Sherow_Xx;32658988]That's going by the DSM definition. The DSM definition has changed before and can be debated, so it's not just a cold hard fact just because the DSM says so. I feel like I should join in on this discussion because I am a pedophile. But I've got to go to bed. I agree it's a mental disorder of sorts. Brain fucked up at one point, probably in the early childhood or even before, or a combination. But it doesn't necessarily have to be a bad thing. It's obviously a bad thing if a pedophile goes out and hurts someone because of it in one way or another, but if he doesn't then what the hell. Really, I dislike all those words that are being used to describe things like this. Disease? Mental illness? Disorder? Deviant sexuality? Orientation? Affliction? Fetish? Really it all means the same, they just have different connotations. The reality of it is that some people with pedophilia end up doing terrible things, but the majority of them never do anything bad.[/QUOTE] The DSM has changed 4 times since it's inception, and the last time it changed was in 94. The DSM is updated and changed when there are new findings in the field, so just because it changes and is updated like 99% of textbooks and manuals out there doesn't mean it's to be discredited. You're right though, Pedophilia ISN'T a bad thing. It is very much so an unhealthy thing though. and @Zeke how does it render the definition of a Disorder null? The average healthy human doesn't fantasize about having sex with inflatable pools, children, or animals. Nor does the average healthy human fantasize about getting beaten and inflicted with pain while having sex. THAT is why Paraphilias are Sexual Disorders.
[QUOTE=InvaderNouga;32659269] and @Zeke how does it render the definition of a Disorder null? The average healthy human doesn't fantasize about having sex with inflatable pools, children, or animals. Nor does the average healthy human fantasize about getting beaten and inflicted with pain while having sex. THAT is why Paraphilias are Sexual Disorders.[/QUOTE] What makes any of those things you listed unhealthy
[QUOTE=Zeke129;32659528]What makes any of those things you listed unhealthy[/QUOTE] By instinct we are attracted to people who we are able to reproduce with. Every other sexual attraction is a deviation from our instinct.
[QUOTE=Man Without Hat;32659640]By instinct we are attracted to people who we are able to reproduce with. Every other sexual attraction is a deviation from our instinct.[/QUOTE] [url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Naturalistic_fallacy[/url]
By instinc I should've died, but we have hospitals. Is that unhealthy? It's called advancement. [editline]7th October 2011[/editline] [QUOTE=Rubs10;32659688][url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Naturalistic_fallacy[/url][/QUOTE] Wow, never heard of that.
[QUOTE=Jookia;32659695]By instinc I should've died, but we have hospitals. Is that unhealthy? It's called advancement. [editline]7th October 2011[/editline] Wow, never heard of that.[/QUOTE] If your instincts make you feel as though you want to die then you also have a very severe mental disorder. What was your point?
If you're actually acting on it, yes. If not, it just means you're a sick fuck with a fucked up fetish.
[QUOTE=AngryChairR;32659723]If your instincts make you feel as though you want to die then you also have a very severe mental disorder. What was your point?[/QUOTE] My point is that technology and advancements overrule 'instinct', and it's no longer valid to claim that non-instinctive things are unhealthy. [editline]7th October 2011[/editline] [QUOTE=Smug Bastard;32659729]If you're actually acting on it, yes. If not, it just means you're a sick fuck with a fucked up fetish.[/QUOTE] Yeah, same with homosexuality. It's not like they can't help it, eh?
Pedophilia isn't a mental illness neither is it a fetish. You're supposed to lust after little girls, lust and attraction are all tools in the mechanism of reproduction and, as soon as girls have their fist menstruation, they're able to reproduce. It makes sense, evolution-wise, that you'd be able to feel attracted to them. Which is not to say pedophilia is an efficient preference to have. We no longer need to jump the gun as soon as the gun is loaded, by now, it's more efficient all-around to simply wait. Same for males, obviously. I'm guessing pedophiles (for pre-pubescent/early pos-pubescence children) come from a mixture of weak social influence towards no-pedophilia and incidents that caused the psychological urge (leaning more to the latter). [editline]7th October 2011[/editline] [QUOTE=Zeke129;32659528]What makes any of those things you listed unhealthy[/QUOTE] They aren't as efficient as "normal" sex. Let's take his last example further so the consequences are clearer. If you need to chop an arm off to get off, you'll experience the same pleasure a a regular guy, but will end up with only 1 arm, with all of the consequences that come from there. Even if that pain has no other consequences, it's still pain, and pain can never be enjoyed, you can only enjoy something that the pain causes or the knowledge of there bring pain. This is why there are addictions to tanning, when you over-tan, your body releases chemicals and shit to ease the discomfort. Same with spicy foods.
[QUOTE=MountainWatcher;32659939] They aren't as efficient as "normal" sex. Let's take his last example further so the consequences are clearer. If you need to chop an arm off to get off, you'll experience the same pleasure a a regular guy, but will end up with only 1 arm, with all of the consequences that come from there. Even if that pain has no other consequences, it's still pain, and pain can never be enjoyed, you can only enjoy something that the pain causes or the knowledge of there bring pain. This is why there are addictions to tanning, when you over-tan, your body releases chemicals and shit to ease the discomfort. Same with spicy foods.[/QUOTE] I think you've gone way off course, this has nothing do to with anything being discussed in this thread. Generally, fetishes don't involve cutting off limbs. Are you saying having a fetish for a certain hair color is unhealthy? Or having a foot fetish?
[QUOTE=stepat201;32660109]I think you've gone way off course, this has nothing do to with anything being discussed in this thread. Generally, fetishes don't involve cutting off limbs. Are you saying having a fetish for a certain hair color is unhealthy? Or having a foot fetish?[/QUOTE] No, I was answering Zeke, who questioned 3 specific fetishes. And no, in fact, I would say everyone should have a foot fetish, in fact, that everyone should have an everything fetish, merely because it maximizes pleasure by having more erogenous areas. And besides, I was extending the masochism part, the examples are of the same nature, their consequences are just not as extreme.
Getting your arm cut off is unhealthy, liking children isn't. What?
[QUOTE=MountainWatcher;32659939]pain can never be enjoyed[/QUOTE] Is that your final answer? Also, the efficiency of sex means jack shit.
[QUOTE=Jookia;32660196]Getting your arm cut off is unhealthy, liking children isn't. What?[/QUOTE] It is for the child if you ever decide to act upon it.
Pedophilia is a mental illness in the sense that it is an uncontrollable thought process that is not in line with the social norms of our society. Much in the same way homosexuality used to be looked at as a mental illness (I am not saying that pedophilia will one day become justified). There were times where pedophilia was a social norm and was not thought of as a mental illness and at that time it was in line with the social norms of society and therefore was not a mental illness. I.E, mental disorders are subjective to the society you live in. If you lived in a society where everyone had schizophrenia but you didn't, you might be looked at as the odd one out.
[QUOTE=Zeke129;32659528]What makes any of those things you listed unhealthy[/QUOTE] I'm sure you don't talk to people about their Paraphilias too often but sometimes people who do not have a consenting partner to act out their sexual fantasies may go out to solicit prostitutes or practice their fantasies on unwilling victims. Buying prostitutes and forcing fantasies on unwilling partners is UNHEALTHY. These individuals do sometimes participate in frequent and unprotected sex which could cause the spread of disease which is UNHEALTHY. Sometimes these individuals also choose to take a job that gets them closer to their fetish as well Often times there's impairment in the ability to have meaningful affectionate sex(which is also a Disorder) as a direct cause of these Paraphilias which is UNHEALTHY. These disorders do sometimes (more often then not) cause social dysfunction in people as a result of their behavior, social dysfunction is UNHEALTHY. Some individuals feel shame, guilt, and depression about their sexual behavior because it is considered socially unacceptable. Depression is UNHEALTHY. Usually during bouts of these Depressive episodes they are accompanied by a surge in frequency and intensity of their Paraphilic behavior which makes their problem that much worse. That is also UNHEALTHY. You just gotta look at the big picture mannnnnnn.
[QUOTE=Craigewan;32660948]It is for the child if you ever decide to act upon it.[/QUOTE] Nobody's disagreeing with that, but paedophilia is not unhealthy.
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