• Debate:Anthropocentricism vs biocentrism.
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[QUOTE=Uberslug;19565824]ScoutKing making quality posts as a goldmember and shining beacon of the community.[/QUOTE] We need "Platinum Member" status for the gold members who have quality posts, not just the date and post requirement. ScoutKing for instance, would be a deserving example.
[QUOTE=Biotoxsin;19565934]We need "Platinum Member" status for the gold members who have quality posts, not just the date and post requirement. ScoutKing for instance, would be a deserving example.[/QUOTE] You mean, for example, Respected User?
I detect sarcasm
[QUOTE=Performual;19565912]We're talking about real issues in here, this is not the mythical beast thread ok? Maybe if you wanted to you could make a thread about Anthropocentricism vs Biocentricism, but instead it could be referring to astrolopes, jackalopes, and unicorns.[/QUOTE] This doesn't appear to be your thread, and you don't appear to be a moderator
I've always been something of a biocentrist; I think everything has an equal right to live as we do and that you should only kill other living things for a very good purpose. I absolutely hate it when people insects just because they happen to be in the wrong place at the wrong time; I've actually attacked people for squashing spiders before.
Biocentrisim, who's to say later on down the line none of the other species evolve to the level we're at?
[QUOTE=Canuhearme?;19565951]You mean, for example, Respected User?[/QUOTE] This is why your my favorite member.
[QUOTE=Zeke129;19565959]This doesn't appear to be your thread, and you don't appear to be a moderator[/QUOTE] Oh, pardon me.
Im anthropocentricism, because biocentrism would hold humanity back, thus slowing or stopping our progress.
Human life is worth more than any other life, but that doesn't mean we can do whatever the fuck we want to all other life.
[QUOTE=Canuhearme?;19565951]You mean, for example, Respected User?[/QUOTE] How frequently do you see respected user's though? There's not very many, if anything, the people who were golds before the mass blue to gold conversion should get some special status. Or at least I think. More on topic, I personally believe that human life is more important. Though we do have a responsibility to not destroy the world for the next generations.
[QUOTE=Emperor Scorpious II;19565819]I don't see any other species building rockets to travel the stars.[/QUOTE] Humans are best because they do things that humans do
[QUOTE=ScoutKing;19566014]Im anthropocentricism, because biocentrism would hold humanity back, thus slowing or stopping our progress.[/QUOTE] ahaha, our progress is being slowed by militaries, poverty and religion. Caring too much about the animals is the last of our worries.
[QUOTE=ScoutKing;19565847]Uberslug, my personal stalker.[/QUOTE] don't flatter yourself
Humans are #1, until some other race evolves to our stage and kicks our ass. I've got my eye on you, dolphins. :tinfoil:
[QUOTE=TH89;19566076]Humans are best because they do things that humans do[/QUOTE] I think that humans have a natural disposition to value human life above that of other species. From an evolutionary standpoint it makes sense to care more about your buddies than a snake or a zebra.
[QUOTE=huggybear_13;19566087]ahaha, our progress is being slowed by militaries, poverty and religion. Caring too much about the animals is the last of our worries.[/QUOTE] im talking about development, if we cant chop trees down, or kill a cow because they are equal and we must respect them, then we starve.
[QUOTE=ScoutKing;19566130]im talking about development, if we cant chop trees down, or kill a cow because they are equal and we must respect them, then we starve.[/QUOTE] oh...boring but that's more survival than development.
starvings boring? whats exciting then.
[QUOTE=Biotoxsin;19566121]I think that humans have a natural disposition to value human life above that of other species. From an evolutionary standpoint it makes sense to care more about your buddies than a snake or a zebra.[/QUOTE] If you're in a position to be competing with a snake or a zebra on a regular basis, then yes. The thing is our culture has evolved past such a need, for the most part, and anthropocentrism is basically a holdover from ancient religious values (which served the purpose you described, but are now more of a hindrance to cultural and ethical advancement than anything else).
[QUOTE=ScoutKing;19566169]starvings boring? whats exciting then.[/QUOTE] Development as a race, which is stubbed by taboo and lies.
[QUOTE=ScoutKing;19566130]im talking about development, if we cant chop trees down, or kill a cow because they are equal and we must respect them, then we starve.[/QUOTE] There is a difference between that and doing it on a large scale for no real reason. Our nature is predator, so we can go and kill a cow for food. What we shouldn't/can't do is go and rip down large areas of forests killing off species just so that we have more space to build when there is already ample enough space to do so.
[QUOTE=TH89;19566182]If you're in a position to be competing with a snake or a zebra on a regular basis, then yes. The thing is our culture has evolved past such a need, for the most part, and anthropocentrism is basically a holdover from ancient religious values (which served the purpose you described, but are now more of a hindrance to cultural and ethical advancement than anything else).[/QUOTE] What I mean is, the belief that human life is of significant (or greater value than that of another organism) is not taught and that maybe it's that we're all predisposed to be anthropocentric at birth. The snake and the zebra were just two organisms I though of randomly, no specific reasoning. Though our culture may have evolved beyond this condition, have we? Certainly our culture dictates that we are allowed to kill deer for sport, yet when a man kills another, he's put to death himself. It's a good thing I suppose that we do value human life with the level we do, but maybe we don't enough; as we still have wars and genocide.
which kind of debate is this, policy? if so, you can't do this on a forum, you need a fuckton of evidence. like, a few gigs worth of .txt documents
[QUOTE=Biotoxsin;19566259]What I mean is, the belief that human life is of significant (or greater value than that of another organism) is not taught and that maybe it's that we're all predisposed to be anthropocentric at birth.[/QUOTE] Source?
[QUOTE=Jewsus;19565897]We should become more eco-friendly because it's in our own best interest (which it is) not because we need to save the animals.[/QUOTE] That's what I said.
[QUOTE=TH89;19566452]Source?[/QUOTE] you didn't happen to have taken debate in high school?
Biocentrism is important. Every living thing needs to have meaning, or at least equal meaning. Yes it is impractical, and yes I partake in Anthropocentrism, but I think we should all become the former. The idea is not as important as its justification. When we look at say, a dog, and insist "we can control them and rule them because they are weaker/different/inferior than us, it also gives us the ability to command/control/rape/slaughter them. And what happens when we view other humans in this light? Blacks become 'inferior', or maybe whites do. Without giving all life intrinsic value, it allows us to commit atrocities on the justification; but hey, they aren't "human", right? [editline]10:53PM[/editline] [QUOTE=ScoutKing;19566810]you didn't happen to have taken debate in high school?[/QUOTE] I have no idea what topic this is for. Is this LD or Policy or....?
LD, I posted it because I debated this for 12 hours yesterday, and I was curious how facepunch debate it.
[QUOTE=ScoutKing;19566898]LD, I posted it because I debated this for 12 hours yesterday, and I was curious how facepunch debate it.[/QUOTE] I'm pretty sure the LD topic for the nation is Resolved: Economic sanctions ought not be used to achieve foreign policy objectives. Where do you live?
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