[QUOTE=Craptasket;19005648]We are cleaning up our act and helping out, but the would as it is now never looked like it was hundreds of millions ago. I say we do what we do best, adapt.[/QUOTE]
Change is inevitable, bring your change of clothes.
Humans have a tendency to control everything they can. It's natural, once you give up and learn about the Earth, then you understand. People should conserve Fossil Fuels, not for pollution, but for the sake of having an energy source. Forcing alternatives during a slump like this isn't going to help anybody.
We use fossil fuels for damn near everything actually. Biggest use is food production. What happens when fossil fuels run out? Will you go barbarian on the neighbor's dog?
[QUOTE=HarryLerman;19005596]You're 12 years old and obviously don't understand any of this so you should keep studying and maybe one day you won't be such a dumbass[/QUOTE]
*ahem* [url]http://www.facepunch.com/showthread.php?t=811596[/url] *ahem*
I believe you're 12 years old.
[QUOTE=sp00ks;19005597]Once again you people amaze me. The clear majority of climate scientists who actually know shit about this says we're causing the climate changes, yet you all think you're more qualified to talk about this subject than they are, because you've seen a movie on youtube or something.[/QUOTE]
That's what pisses me off about the "debate", skeptics never seem to cite people who are actually educated, qualified, and work in climatology. Instead they cling to sensationalized and fuzzy "science" by paid shills of the energy industry and manufactured shit like Climategate.
We've known about this for years, we're past the time for running around in circles arguing with people who are too easily manipulated, too ignorant, or just too fucking stupid to acknowledge what's going on right in front of them. We've spent a century and a half burning a million years of accumulated organic matter, while doing our best to deforest massive swaths of land for agriculture and driving species that could play critical roles in entire ecosystems to extinction. It's nothing short of willful ignorance to think we can go on like this forever and never suffer any ill effects.
We're already watching thousands of miles of the ice caps melt. Icebergs the size of small countries are breaking off and floating around. It's not going to magically come back in a few years, it's gone for the predictable future. Rising sea levels are easy enough to joke about, but much of the richest farmland in the world is within a few meters of sea level, not to mention population centers. Once the sea level goes up and the ice is gone, it's not going to go away.
And even if this is all bullshit, there are a huge number of reasons to take the same measures anyway. Our oil-based economy is already forcing us to use our military to invade and occupy a country that refused to let our oil companies set up shop, and a dozen other nations have suffered CIA-orchestrated revolutions to install oil-friendly dictatorships. Some estimate a million violent deaths have resulted from the War on Terror, and it's impossible to determine how many more have died as a direct result of our archaic oil addiction. It's utterly unsustainable, we're already running unequaled deficits because we can't keep up with the expense of the oil wars. No nation can simply buy everything it wants from others while producing nothing of it's own except endless fiat currency and debt. It's been decades since moving stacks of money around officially became the largest sector of the American economy, and we're starting to see it can't last.
If we put an end to oil and coal, dumped hundreds of billions into alternative research so cold fusion could become a reality instead of a 50-year pipe dream, and centralized our energy so that nobody could ever threaten us with an energy embargo again, we might actually stand a chance at reclaiming some of the true wealth and power we had when the country could still run on cheap oil. The answers are out there, we just won't commit the time, money, or effort because we're too busy dreaming up wishful reasons to deny the reality and throwing everything into hopelessly trying to bring back the oil booms of the past. How could it possibly be a bad idea to solve all of those problems while just happening to prevent catastrophic climate shifts in the process? Fuck, man, a five year old has enough brains to name the right solution.
[QUOTE=Fps_Deffy;19005149]this shit happens in cycles, people need to calm the fuck down[/QUOTE]
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[QUOTE=DarkCybrid;19005969]*ahem* [url]http://www.facepunch.com/showthread.php?t=811596[/url] *ahem*
I believe you're 12 years old.[/QUOTE]
lol caredude
[QUOTE=Used Car Salesman;19005998]That's what pisses me off about the "debate", skeptics never seem to cite people who are actually educated, qualified, and work in climatology. Instead they cling to sensationalized and fuzzy "science" by paid shills of the energy industry and manufactured shit like Climategate.
We've known about this for years, we're past the time for running around in circles arguing with people who are too easily manipulated, too ignorant, or just too fucking stupid to acknowledge what's going on right in front of them. We've spent a century and a half burning a million years of accumulated organic matter, while doing our best to deforest massive swaths of land for agriculture and driving species that could play critical roles in entire ecosystems to extinction. It's nothing short of willful ignorance to think we can go on like this forever and never suffer any ill effects.
We're already watching thousands of miles of the ice caps melt. Icebergs the size of small countries are breaking off and floating around. It's not going to magically come back in a few years, it's gone for the predictable future. Rising sea levels are easy enough to joke about, but much of the richest farmland in the world is within a few meters of sea level, not to mention population centers. Once the sea level goes up and the ice is gone, it's not going to go away.
And even if this is all bullshit, there are a huge number of reasons to take the same measures anyway. Our oil-based economy is already forcing us to use our military to invade and occupy a country that refused to let our oil companies set up shop, and a dozen other nations have suffered CIA-orchestrated revolutions to install oil-friendly dictatorships. Some estimate a million violent deaths have resulted from the War on Terror, and it's impossible to determine how many more have died as a direct result of our archaic oil addiction. It's utterly unsustainable, we're already running unequaled deficits because we can't keep up with the expense of the oil wars. No nation can simply buy everything it wants from others while producing nothing of it's own except endless fiat currency and debt. It's been decades since moving stacks of money around officially became the largest sector of the American economy, and we're starting to see it can't last.
If we put an end to oil and coal, dumped hundreds of billions into alternative research so cold fusion could become a reality instead of a 50-year pipe dream, and centralized our energy so that nobody could ever threaten us with an energy embargo again, we might actually stand a chance at reclaiming some of the true wealth and power we had when the country could still run on cheap oil. The answers are out there, we just won't commit the time, money, or effort because we're too busy dreaming up wishful reasons to deny the reality and throwing everything into hopelessly trying to bring back the oil booms of the past. How could it possibly be a bad idea to solve all of those problems while just happening to prevent catastrophic climate shifts in the process? Fuck, man, a five year old has enough brains to name the right solution.[/QUOTE]
rated you I for intelligent
Shitstorm before the second page.
Topics like these never cease to amuse me.
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[QUOTE=Wii60;19006017],[/QUOTE]
yeah... i type how i talk most of the time >.> it kinda sucks.
[QUOTE=admiral_Cola;19005164]Ice Age regardless of what we do.
As opposed to spending money on ways to reduce CO2, we should spend money to find ways to adapt. We should accept our role as nature's bitch and submit, then we can learn to live with the changes. Our ancestors did it and we can do it too.[/QUOTE]
This
[QUOTE=Fps_Deffy;19006375]yeah... i type how i talk most of the time >.> it kinda sucks.[/QUOTE]
no i was agreeing with you people mis-interpret it as me trying to fix your grammar
Al Gore isn't a scientist, and isn't the best source to go to about Climate Change.
[QUOTE=admiral_Cola;19005164]
As opposed to spending money on ways to reduce CO2, we should spend money to find ways to adapt. [/QUOTE]
Yeah, cept it's not just us, it's the entire planet we're worried about. Humans will survive it no doubt, I doubt anyone gives a shit if the planet's average temperature raises 2° C. It's the animals we have to worry about.
Did you know that Alaska's native caribou population has dropped to 80% in the past few decades because of global warming? Ice forms over the grass they eat, so they can't reach it and starve. Severe storms also prevent them from reaching their breeding grounds, and so they have to give birth in terrible conditions like snowstorms.
But of course, I doubt facepunch cares about caribou in Alaska, so this post is destined for swarms of dissagrees and dumbs.
:sigh:
[QUOTE=Used Car Salesman;19005998]That's what pisses me off about the "debate", skeptics never seem to cite people who are actually educated, qualified, and work in climatology. Instead they cling to sensationalized and fuzzy "science" by paid shills of the energy industry and manufactured shit like Climategate.
We've known about this for years, we're past the time for running around in circles arguing with people who are too easily manipulated, too ignorant, or just too fucking stupid to acknowledge what's going on right in front of them. We've spent a century and a half burning a million years of accumulated organic matter, while doing our best to deforest massive swaths of land for agriculture and driving species that could play critical roles in entire ecosystems to extinction. It's nothing short of willful ignorance to think we can go on like this forever and never suffer any ill effects.
We're already watching thousands of miles of the ice caps melt. Icebergs the size of small countries are breaking off and floating around. It's not going to magically come back in a few years, it's gone for the predictable future. Rising sea levels are easy enough to joke about, but much of the richest farmland in the world is within a few meters of sea level, not to mention population centers. Once the sea level goes up and the ice is gone, it's not going to go away.
And even if this is all bullshit, there are a huge number of reasons to take the same measures anyway. Our oil-based economy is already forcing us to use our military to invade and occupy a country that refused to let our oil companies set up shop, and a dozen other nations have suffered CIA-orchestrated revolutions to install oil-friendly dictatorships. Some estimate a million violent deaths have resulted from the War on Terror, and it's impossible to determine how many more have died as a direct result of our archaic oil addiction. It's utterly unsustainable, we're already running unequaled deficits because we can't keep up with the expense of the oil wars. No nation can simply buy everything it wants from others while producing nothing of it's own except endless fiat currency and debt. It's been decades since moving stacks of money around officially became the largest sector of the American economy, and we're starting to see it can't last.
If we put an end to oil and coal, dumped hundreds of billions into alternative research so cold fusion could become a reality instead of a 50-year pipe dream, and centralized our energy so that nobody could ever threaten us with an energy embargo again, we might actually stand a chance at reclaiming some of the true wealth and power we had when the country could still run on cheap oil. The answers are out there, we just won't commit the time, money, or effort because we're too busy dreaming up wishful reasons to deny the reality and throwing everything into hopelessly trying to bring back the oil booms of the past. How could it possibly be a bad idea to solve all of those problems while just happening to prevent catastrophic climate shifts in the process? Fuck, man, a five year old has enough brains to name the right solution.[/QUOTE]
Best post yet. It truly doesn't matter how quick, or how much global warming is effecting us and how much of it is our fault. It's happening to some degree, and we should be looking outside of oil already. We should always have been doing so.
[QUOTE=TheDecryptor;19006455]Al Gore isn't a scientist, and isn't the best source to go to about Climate Change.[/QUOTE]
Uh, yeah. And the point of this statement was. . .?
Cold Fusion is science fiction, plain Nuclear Fusion isn't, and we're already building the test reactors.
Edit: ^ people keep referring to Al Gore like he's the one doing all the research, so when he makes a mistake people go "ha, it's wrong!", like some of the videos in the first post.
[QUOTE=TheDecryptor;19006485]Cold Fusion is science fiction, plain Nuclear Fusion isn't, and we're already building the test reactors.
Edit: ^ people keep referring to Al Gore like he's the one doing all the research, so when he makes a mistake people go "ha, it's wrong!", like some of the videos in the first post.[/QUOTE]
Ah. Understood.
[QUOTE=Wii60;19006452]no i was agreeing with you people mis-interpret it as me trying to fix your grammar[/QUOTE]
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(im not agreeing with you... you missed a comma)
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