Qatar 101 - A post made by a Qatari Woman on the 2022 win - General

[QUOTE=Dysgalt;26491015]Did you not tell Conspiracy to cite his/her sources on what he/she said? Why don't you cite your sources for all of what you said.[/QUOTE] [url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LGBT_rights_in_Qatar[/url] [url]http://www.glapn.org/sodomylaws/world/qatar/qanews05.htm[/url] [url]http://wglb-tv.blogspot.com/2010/12/gay-groups-anger-at-homophobic-world.html[/url] There.

[QUOTE=archie200034;26490520]There are other laws against homosexuals. There are people who have been deported and whipped just because they're homosexual.[/QUOTE] Nobody has been whipped/lashed since 1995. And both of the articles you posted erroneously cite Qatar as "homophobic", which is not exactly true. They aren't homophobic but they aren't homo-friendly. Jesus fucking Christ why does this even matter, it's not like two gay dudes are gonna wanna fuck in public [editline]4th December 2010[/editline] fuck this copy pasting from my friend's facebook [quote][B]"[Qatar and homosexuality] is something that is a bit hard to comment on. First of all, it is impossible to enforce a law banning homosexuality, if you believe people are born homosexual there is nothing the law can do to change that. The thing with homosexuality and Qatar is that Qatar is a Muslim country, not a secular one and homosexuality is not something Islam believes is right. Are there homosexuals in Qatar? Yes, there are a lot and none of them are in jail. Some of them are accepted by their families and some are not. Again, Qataris are [mostly] educated and open-minded people and we are not wont to shove our beliefs down anyone's throat, so if you are a gay man or a lesbian and you want to come down to Qatar and experience the World Cup in 12 years time no one will say no to that! Whatever religious belief we have about the issue it does not apply to you if you do not adhere to that religion! Homosexuals will not be in danger if they come to Qatar, they will be treated (they ARE treated) like any other visitor to the country. I hope I've made this point clear, it's very hard to explain to people who don't live here :("[/quote][/B]

[QUOTE=archie200034;26491117][url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LGBT_rights_in_Qatar[/url] [url]http://www.glapn.org/sodomylaws/world/qatar/qanews05.htm[/url] [url]http://wglb-tv.blogspot.com/2010/12/gay-groups-anger-at-homophobic-world.html[/url] There.[/QUOTE] God damn, you speak as if Qatar is the only place in the word who might have something against homosexuals. Grow the fuck up already and accept the fact that there are [I]many[/I] people who do not like or support homosexuals. Sadly.

[QUOTE=Hallucinate;26490243]However in those countries being drunk in tansition from clubs or games or simply drinking at a football game isn't illegal.[/QUOTE] Yes it is. If you're drunk in the street and you meet the cops, you'll go to jail for a few hours.

[QUOTE=Zeldy;26491232]God damn, you speak as if Qatar is the only place in the word who might have something against homosexuals. Grow the fuck up already and accept the fact that there are [I]many[/I] people who do not like or support homosexuals. Sadly.[/QUOTE] I know there are worse countries out there, but I'm just saying that Qatar maybe isn't as nice as OP might have you believe. You don't seem to care much for human rights though. [QUOTE=rabidwulf92;26491163]Nobody has been whipped/lashed since 1995. And both of the articles you posted erroneously cite Qatar as "homophobic", which is not exactly true. They aren't homophobic but they aren't homo-friendly. Jesus fucking Christ why does this even matter, it's not like two gay dudes are gonna wanna fuck in public[/QUOTE][QUOTE=archie200034;26489737]It's not wether the laws are put to use really. It's more about what they stand for and what they mean. The fact that your goverment has come up and passed this law against homosexuals is a horrible act alone.[/QUOTE]

i don't think anyone's denying that Qatar has issues with human rights but i think the key issue is that you can't simply force gay rights into a country, regardless of what doctrine they hold

[QUOTE=thisispain;26491471]i don't think anyone's denying that Qatar has issues with human rights but i think the key issue is that you can't simply force gay rights into a country, regardless of what doctrine they hold[/QUOTE] I'm not trying to force anyone to do anything. I'm just voicing my opinion

[QUOTE=archie200034;26491449]I know there are worse countries out there, but I'm just saying that Qatar maybe isn't as nice as OP might have you believe. [B]You don't seem to care much for human rights though.[/B][/QUOTE] Wow good job with that. Twisting what I said into something else, and all. I DO care about human rights. But [I]you[/I] don't seem to care at all what OP is saying and keep on bringing up the same point over and over even though he proved you wrong many times. It's perfectly fine to have gay sex there, and no one will care because what you do in the bedroom is YOUR business. Even though their laws or customs say otherwise, because let's face it, it's still an Islamic country, no matter how "westernized" it is. Homosexuals are going to get shit for publicly showing affection pretty much anywhere. Not just in Qatar. And there's nothing you can do about it, no matter how hard you try. Islam isn't special with the whole homophobic aspect of it. Hardly any religion accepts homosexuality. I'm not saying they shouldn't accept homosexuals. I'm gay myself and think it would be wonderful if more places in the world did. But it's not that easy. Deal. With. It. EDIT: Oh, and Qatar [I]is[/I] a great place.

An informative thread, Op Conspiracy. A nice read about Qatar.

Why are people upset about Qatar hosting in 2022? Surely the whole Russian thing is a whole lot more suspect?

[QUOTE=archie200034;26491514]I'm not trying to force anyone to do anything. I'm just voicing my opinion[/QUOTE] well you're kinda like NO THIS IS THE TRUTH FUCK YOU

[QUOTE=DrBreen;26487885]what wikileaks does is good. and that's FINAL.[/QUOTE] Great argument. I don't think what they do is good. But that is my opinion.

[QUOTE=archie200034;26483368] I believe that opression should be fought wherever it can be fought.[/QUOTE] Although I have a feeling this guy is playing devil's advocate I guess that means we should be fighting in the West as well right?

[QUOTE=thisispain;26491471]i don't think anyone's denying that Qatar has issues with human rights but i think the key issue is that you can't simply force gay rights into a country, regardless of what doctrine they hold[/QUOTE] But you can tell them to smarten the fuck up if they want to represent the world by hosting a huge event I don't give a shit that they're an Islamic country, that's not why I don't want them to have the World Cup. I don't want them to have the World Cup because they have severe human rights issues. I mean they're probably in the Middle East top-3 when it comes to being progressive but that's not saying much

I don't want them to have the World Cup because of more practical reasons, although the human rights thing didn't occur to me: - Limited environment. Part of the "travelling Cup" idea is that it takes place in a variety of different environments. Qatar doesn't have these. - Heat. OP's claim that they can get it down to 19 deg. is new to me - I've heard they can get it to 30, which is still hot. Regardless, what about OUTSIDE the stadiums - will tourists spend their days holed up in bars, shopping centres and hotels the whole time? - Conservative nature. It can be seen that Qatar's conservative in society. How will this deal with the more free-minded Westerners. I quote an opinion piece I recently saw: "What will happen to the Brazilian beauty dancing in the street? She'll be arrested or severely sunburnt."

[QUOTE=Conspiracy;26482290]To be honest, I think the US and Qatar were just as qualified to host the World Cup as each other; but what really got to FIFA was the idea of unity in the Middle East. If football can help end a civil war in Iraq in 1997, who knows what can happen if we put an Arab and Israeli on the same field? I understand everyones frustration but everyone in Qatar is celebrating because this is a big deal for the Middle East; whereas Americas motives was literally: "We want more people to like the sport." - Australia were voted off first, and I'll admit their bid really wasn't all that great. I'm sure you can somehow see how Qatar deserves this a little more.[/QUOTE] Yeah, the bid was fucking terrible.

[QUOTE=Zeldy;26491709]Wow good job with that. Twisting what I said into something else, and all. I DO care about human rights. But [I]you[/I] don't seem to care at all what OP is saying and keep on bringing up the same point over and over even though he proved you wrong many times. It's perfectly fine to have gay sex there, and no one will care because what you do in the bedroom is YOUR business. Even though their laws or customs say otherwise, because let's face it, it's still an Islamic country, no matter how "westernized" it is. Homosexuals are going to get shit for publicly showing affection pretty much anywhere. Not just in Qatar. And there's nothing you can do about it, no matter how hard you try. Islam isn't special with the whole homophobic aspect of it. Hardly any religion accepts homosexuality. I'm not saying they shouldn't accept homosexuals. I'm gay myself and think it would be wonderful if more places in the world did. But it's not that easy. Deal. With. It. [/QUOTE] I am dealing with it, and I don't care about your religion, culture or whatever reason you might have to harass someone for their views. It's wrong. And there are a lot of religious people who tollerate and even embrace homosexuals, so it being a muslim nation is no excuse. It's just good old fashioned ignorance, but it has been getting better, I can give you that. But it won't be fine untill these silly laws dissapear. In a lot of european countries you are free to have sex with anyone you want despite their sex, if they can be tollerant of others why can't qatar? You're making it seem so much harder than it really is, and hopefully qatar will be able to change before 2022. [QUOTE=Zeldy;26491709]EDIT: Oh, and Qatar [I]is[/I] a great place.[/QUOTE] That's a matter of opinion. [QUOTE=thisispain;26493053]well you're kinda like NO THIS IS THE TRUTH FUCK YOU[/QUOTE] I haven't lied, have I? I am merely critizising OP's post on how wonderful Qatar is and everyone seems to jump on me. [QUOTE=markfu;26493421]Although I have a feeling this guy is playing devil's advocate I guess that means we should be fighting in the West as well right?[/QUOTE] Of course

I, in fact, love the opening post. I've found this quite informative and am loving all the petty attempts to bash on it. Quick note, saying you lived somewhere does actually make a semi-solid argument. I spent more than ten years of my life in Texas and I can firmly stand behind the fact that most of the stereotypes about it are way, way off. The best part is when both Conspiracy and RabidWolf -people from Qatar- are trying to inform others of how they're experiences with Qatar have been; yet some individuals still seem to want to jump on the boat of "[I]Well I heard/read/saw [b]insert negative topic on Qatar[/b] and that means it's true. Stop dressing up the issue, I somehow know better with my internet knowledge.[/I]" You can state what you want. It's a rather open forum we have here. Unless you can form a really solid arguement against a topic, though, you won't be changing anyone's mind and droning on about it will only undermine your operation as a whole. If people want to think different, they'll look into sources themselves. This back and forth game about how strict the laws on homosexuality are is just petty at best, mainly on the people perptuating it. The United States has our own Don't-Ask-Don't-Tell which people are up in arms over. They don't haul people off to jail for being gay in the military, they kick them out. The end. And they never even find out unless the person openly talks about it or somehow manages to have public sex. Granted, there are cases in which people go out of their way to find out if someone's gay, but that happens in the US regardless of law and people are still injured over it. I can sum up my random spiel here really quickly. Conspiracy and Rabid are what we call primary sources, they've actually been to the country. Now that they tell us, we're secondary sources. Get how this works? News stations are usually secondary, tertiary or even higher-tier sources which makes our information utterly less potent as a primary source -which Conspiracy and Rabid are. So instead trying to argue to them about how horrible [I]their[/I] own country is, why don't you ask them questions in order to get a better understanding? An open mind is a wonderful thing.

[QUOTE=archie200034;26494715]I am dealing with it, and I don't care about your religion, culture or whatever reason you might have to harass someone for their views. It's wrong. And there are a lot of religious people who tollerate and even embrace homosexuals.[/QUOTE] You're right, there are. In Qatar. Listen, fuck a guy or a girl; just keep it out of the eye of the public and no one asks questions. Sure it may not be the ideal environment but America really isn't any different. You have people like Westboro, you have people who don't care and you have people who support them. Qatar's just the same, only all 3 sides agree that fucking in public isn't cool.

[QUOTE=Conspiracy;26496767]You're right, there are. In Qatar. Listen, fuck a guy or a girl; just keep it out of the eye of the public and no one asks questions. Sure it may not be the ideal environment but America really isn't any different. You have people like Westboro, you have people who don't care and you have people who support them. Qatar's just the same, only all 3 sides agree that fucking in public isn't cool.[/QUOTE] Except the difference between a place like Qatar and Canada is that in Canada, the religious zealots aren't the ones writing the laws [quote=Wikipedia]In 1995 an American citizen visiting Qatar was sentenced to six months in prison and 90 lashes, for homosexuality activity.[/quote] Has anything changed from 1995? Because the laws themselves haven't. The UK travel guide to Qatar still warns homosexuals about the illegality of it, so it's obviously still an issue.

[QUOTE=archie200034;26494715]I am dealing with it, [/quote] Doesn't seem like it if you keep complaining about it like it affects you directly. [QUOTE=archie200034;26494715] and I don't care about your religion, culture or whatever reason you might have to harass someone for their views. It's wrong. And there are a lot of religious people who tollerate and even embrace homosexuals, so it being a muslim nation is no excuse. It's just good old fashioned ignorance, but it has been getting better, I can give you that. But it won't be fine untill these silly laws dissapear. In a lot of european countries you are free to have sex with anyone you want despite their sex, if they can be tollerant of others why can't qatar? You're making it seem so much harder than it really is, and hopefully qatar will be able to change before 2022.[/quote] It is wrong, yes, but people are still going to do it, especially when they've been taught their whole lives to believe they're the ones who are doing the "right" thing. (That's one of the reasons it was so hard for me to accept myself for being gay. I've been told over and over by my parents, who are pretty religious Mulsims, that homosexuality is wrong, and homosexuals are better off dead, etc. And it's EXTREMELY HARD to argue with those kind of people. They would never accept it if those laws magically disappeared.) That, and people are assholes and will do the wrong things just because. These laws aren't going anywhere for quite some time. It's sad, yes, but there is honestly nothing you can do about it. So you can just keep complaining if you want. [QUOTE=archie200034;26494715] That's a matter of opinion. [/quote] Sure is. [QUOTE=archie200034;26494715] I haven't lied, have I? I am merely critizising OP's post on how wonderful Qatar is and everyone seems to jump on me.[/QUOTE] The way you've been posting is what made everyone do that.

[QUOTE=Zeldy;26496920]These laws aren't going anywhere for quite some time. It's sad, yes, but there is honestly nothing you can do about it. So you can just keep complaining if you want.[/QUOTE] I don't give a shit what they do in their own country but people should be saying "no world cup for you until you come up to the standards that the rest of the world has set".

[QUOTE=Zeke129;26496944]I don't give a shit what they do in their own country but people should be saying "no world cup for you until you come up to the standards that the rest of the world has set".[/QUOTE] You do realize the World Cup is in 2022? Qatar will be 137% over FIFAs requirement to host a world cup, at the moment they're only somewhere like 78%

You guys are talking as if Qatar has people who LOOK for homosexuals, catch them in the act, and behead them or something. Jesus.

[QUOTE=Conspiracy;26496767]You're right, there are. In Qatar. Listen, fuck a guy or a girl; just keep it out of the eye of the public and no one asks questions. Sure it may not be the ideal environment but America really isn't any different. You have people like Westboro, you have people who don't care and you have people who support them. Qatar's just the same, only all 3 sides agree that fucking in public isn't cool.[/QUOTE] So sex in public isn't cool. Not a surprise; it's illegal under indecency laws pretty much everywhere. But what about two men making out? Western society, while some people'll be uncomfortable, it's still accepted. But what about Qatar?

[QUOTE=Conspiracy;26488530]Really? Disprove them.[/QUOTE] Go the country; try and prove them.

Isn't Moscow the same as Qatar? Rich arse in one place, and across the street, homeless people in another spot.

[QUOTE=Bllasae;26498063]Go the country; try and prove them.[/QUOTE] He asked you to prove [QUOTE=Bllasae;26488515]These are just lies to make it seem nicer/better.[/QUOTE] That's your job, he can't prove a negative. [editline]5th December 2010[/editline] [QUOTE=Ignhelper;26498115]homeless people in another spot.[/QUOTE] Maybe for Moscow, but not Qatar for sure.

[QUOTE=starpluck;26498117]He asked you to prove That's your job, he can't prove a negative. [/QUOTE] He can't prove a positive that doesn't exist, either.

[QUOTE=Zeke129;26493505]But you can tell them to smarten the fuck up if they want to represent the world by hosting a huge event I don't give a shit that they're an Islamic country, that's not why I don't want them to have the World Cup. I don't want them to have the World Cup because they have severe human rights issues. I mean they're probably in the Middle East top-3 when it comes to being progressive but that's not saying much[/QUOTE]The Qatar World Cup is tomorrow right? [editline]5th December 2010[/editline] [QUOTE=Bllasae;26498137]He can't prove a positive that doesn't exist, either.[/QUOTE] You said he was lying, trying to make Qatar seem better. You then asked him to prove that he isn't lying. It's not that hard to fucking understand; HE CAN'T PROVE A NEGATIVE. Republican avatar? Not suprised [editline]5th December 2010[/editline] [QUOTE=Dr_Funk;26497588]So sex in public isn't cool. Not a surprise; it's illegal under indecency laws pretty much everywhere. But what about two men making out? Western society, while some people'll be uncomfortable, it's still accepted. But what about Qatar?[/QUOTE] He already clarified that countless times in the thread, I doubt he'd want to do it again for the illiterate.