Has science really made us better off? - General

[QUOTE=pie_is_good;17542337]yeaaaah but do we really need all those things? :downs:[/QUOTE] dued its just the govermnt's way of controlin us w/ da system :350: :tinfoil:

[QUOTE=Kybalt;17542269]Till you did some Norse chick and you didn't know why it burned every time you took a piss for the rest of your life then died from cancer. [editline]08:39PM[/editline] HAY GUISE HAS LIFE REALLY MADE US BETTER OF? huh? tell me plz.[/QUOTE] I'd pray to Odin to make me better. Religion worked back then, right guys? Like in Oblivion?

[QUOTE=Zeke129;17542362]I'd pray to Odin to make me better. Religion worked back then, right guys?[/QUOTE] No I think you'd have to get the "doctors" of the day to take a look at it. Then the barber would operate on it.

[QUOTE=Retardation;17542378]all the spells in oblivion bro fuck yes [editline]12:44AM[/editline] [B]:350: and :emo: pretty much sum this thread up[/B][/QUOTE] I think I'd have to go with :downs: to sum it up.

[QUOTE=Kybalt;17542374]No I think you'd have to get the "doctors" of the day to take a look at it. Then the barber would operate on it.[/QUOTE] Fuck it, I'd have awesome ships and shit

[QUOTE=Zeke129;17542403]Fuck it, I'd have awesome ships and shit[/QUOTE] They'd probably amputate it or something :ohdear:

[QUOTE=Kybalt;17542408]They'd probably amputate it or something :ohdear:[/QUOTE] If I was a viking I'd die in battle or of the flu before STDs would become a serious issue.

[QUOTE=Zeke129;17542433]If I was a viking I'd die in battle or of the flu before STDs would become a serious issue.[/QUOTE] Or you would die at birth :v: :iiam:

Do we [i]really[/i] need to breath? Film at eleven.

Actually I believe we are better off with just about every scientific field except medicine. Now before you rate be boxes, I am focusing on drugs and diseases. Not surgical procedures, anatomy, or the study of the human bodies. With current drugs we can fight off just about every disease known to man. Everything from the sniffles to some forms of cancer. But, at the same time, diseases do not go away just because you create a vaccine. Instead they adapt and mutate into a new much more deadly strain which in turn causes more deaths. Certain diseases, (like the influenza) are key examples of this. Instead of people dealing with the disease and being sick for a few days on bed rest, they are taking the faster and easier way out by taking medication. This is what causes it to adapt so that it can spread in different ways, or have much more aggressive symptoms. As a result instead of the more basic strains of the flew which left you in bed for a day or two with a glass of your favorite orange juice, new strains developed which lasted weeks with more severe symptoms. Then as you keep popping pills you again recover faster only for it to mutate from a low threat pain in the ass to a life threatening disease. This cycle keeps going until you have "swine flu", "bird flu", and large epidemics of diseases immune to all current vaccines killing thousands. Mind you this excludes certain diseases like Polio, but you get the point. AIDS and SARS are a result of this. Some believe this is also how most STDs were formed.

[QUOTE=will721;17542628]Actually I believe we are better off with just about every scientific field except medicine. [/QUOTE] Stopped reading here. Go back to school.

Quest for knowledge my friend. I heard you get a lot of exp if you complete it

[QUOTE=will721;17542628]Actually I believe we are better off with just about every scientific field except medicine. Now before you rate be boxes, I am focusing on drugs and diseases. Not surgical procedures, anatomy, or the study of the human bodies. With current drugs we can fight off just about every disease known to man. Everything from the sniffles to some forms of cancer. But, at the same time, diseases do not go away just because you create a vaccine. Instead they adapt and mutate into a new much more deadly strain which in turn causes more deaths. Certain diseases, (like the influenza) are key examples of this. Instead of people dealing with the disease and being sick for a few days on bed rest, they are taking the faster and easier way out by taking medication. This is what causes it to adapt so that it can spread in different ways, or have much more aggressive symptoms. As a result instead of the more basic strains of the flew which left you in bed for a day or two with a glass of your favorite orange juice, new strains developed which lasted weeks with more severe symptoms. Then as you keep popping pills you again recover faster only for it to mutate from a low threat pain in the ass to a life threatening disease. This cycle keeps going until you have "swine flu", "bird flu", and large epidemics of diseases immune to all current vaccines killing thousands. Mind you this excludes certain diseases like Polio, but you get the point. AIDS and SARS are a result of this. Some believe this is also how most STDs were formed.[/QUOTE] We would not have modern medicine without all the other scientific fields.

[QUOTE=Doriol;17542652]Stopped reading here. Go back to school.[/QUOTE] Keep reading, I have a logical point. You are still in school.

I actualy loled at the OP. I mean seriously now. :colbert: [editline]page3[/editline] :page3:

[QUOTE=will721;17542691]Ke[/QUOTE] Stopped reading here. You are an idiot.

Science allowed me to do this :science: :megaman:

[QUOTE=Doriol;17542704]Stopped reading here. You are an idiot.[/QUOTE] So apparently you believe that we should continue the rate at which the drug industry is being developed. Causing a never ending cycle of cures and mutation until the human race is eventually extinguished. You sir, are the idiot.

[QUOTE=will721;17542691]Keep reading, I have a logical point. You are still in school.[/QUOTE] So because there are still diseases we have not figured out how to cure the whole field of medicine is moot? With medicine we have stopped fatal diseases or stopped them from being fatal such as the plague, polio, measles, small pox, some forms of cancer, influenza, the list just goes on.

The ultimate irony is that the people who disparage medicine would be dead without it. [QUOTE=will721;17542738]So apparently you believe that we should continue the rate at which the drug industry is being developed. Causing a never ending cycle of cures and mutation until the human race is eventually extinguished. You sir, are the idiot.[/QUOTE] The best part about actually knowing something about pharmacology, biology et al is knowing you [url=http://www.ted.com/talks/bonnie_bassler_on_how_bacteria_communicate.html]can create a solution to resistant microbials.[/url]

[QUOTE=will721;17542738]So apparently you believe that we should continue the rate at which the drug industry is being developed. Causing a never ending cycle of cures and mutation until the human race is eventually extinguished. You sir, are the idiot.[/QUOTE] No, I'm pretty sure you are a crazy conspiracy theorist. :pseudo:

[QUOTE=Valnar;17542755]So because there are still diseases we have not figured out how to cure the whole field of medicine is moot? With medicine we have stopped fatal diseases or stopped them from being fatal such as the plague, polio, measles, small pox, some forms of cancer, influenza, the list just goes on.[/QUOTE] Post above you answers your question. Death is inevitable, but the rates at which diseases spread and adapt is increasing. Yes some diseases have stopped in their tracks but many are not. We are inadvertently creating super diseases capable of destroying life on a global scale.

[QUOTE=Doriol;17542619]Do we [i]really[/i] need to breath? Film at eleven.[/QUOTE] Can you roll the film now? I can't hold my breath until 11.

[QUOTE=Zeke129;17542798]Can you roll the film now? I can't hold my breath until 11.[/QUOTE] Dude, don't breath. You are going to cause viruses to mutate and shit. :tinfoil:

[QUOTE=Doriol;17542774]No, I'm pretty sure you are a crazy conspiracy theorist. :pseudo:[/QUOTE] Logical inevitability and conspiracy are completely different.

[QUOTE=will721;17542796]Post above you answers your question. Death is inevitable, but the rates at which diseases spread and adapt is increasing. Yes some diseases have stopped in their tracks but many are not. We are inadvertently creating super diseases capable of destroying life on a global scale.[/QUOTE] Ok, so what you are saying is that instead of stopping things we know can kill us, just ignore it because there is a small chance that it gets stronger that we need to stop it again. Lets also stop making bulletproof material since there will just be more powerful bullets. Lets stop making more powerful internet security since there will be someone who can outdo it. Lets stop making better forensics because there will be someone who can outsmart it.

Well, I like that I don't have to take 4 hours to walk 32 Miles, and instead can drive there in almost 15-20 minutes. I also enjoy having lights so that I can read at anytime of day, and also a variety of news channels on my television, so that I'm not coloured by one opinion, not to mention entertainment channels and video games. Space travel has also made us better off. Without it, say goodbye to your computer systems, that help you stay alive when you've had a stroke or heart attack.

[QUOTE=will721;17542796]We are inadvertently creating super diseases capable of destroying life on a global scale.[/QUOTE] Oh boy are the researchers gonna be red faced when they find this out.

[QUOTE=Valnar;17542855]Ok, so what you are saying is that instead of stopping things we know can kill us, just ignore it because there is a small chance that it gets stronger that we need to stop it again. Lets also stop making bulletproof material since there will just be more powerful bullets. Lets stop making more powerful internet security since there will be someone who can outdo it. Lets stop making better forensics because there will be someone who can outsmart it.[/QUOTE] Actually I am saying, stopping cure research on small diseases like the common cold and diseases that can kill you but only on a small scale (unless people are idiots) like AIDS we can at least lessen the rate at which diseases are changing. It is to late for us to completely stop what we are doing since these super diseases already exist and would inevitably destroy the human race as we know it.

[QUOTE=will721;17542905]Actually I am saying, stopping small diseases like the common cold and diseases that can kill you but only on a small scale (unless people are idiots) like AIDS we can at least lessen the rate at which diseases are changing. It is to late for us to completely stop what we are doing since these super diseases already exist and would inevitably destroy the human race as we know it.[/QUOTE] You're making it sound like a tube of Lamisil is going to create the jock itch that ends the world.