• Is misandry real?
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[QUOTE=thisispain;36712436]i don't think you need to have a sociology class in order to know that a joke is shitty. let me tell you the secret behind telling jokes. it's not a funny joke unless the audience laughs.[/QUOTE] Unfortunately, we're talking about an audience that thinks 'Git r done' is hilarious.
[QUOTE=McGii;36764078]Busy with assignment stuff so I can't do this atm but if the threads alive when im not busy ill make replies Because (female equivalent of masculine word that I forget) = a bad thing and masculinity = a good thing sorry thats actually a case of misogyny[/QUOTE] no, misogyny is the hatred of females, not femininity. That's why misogynists hate when women act manly. Misogyny and misandry are both about forcing people into gender roles. [editline]15th July 2012[/editline] [QUOTE=wraithcat;36765616]Except this is not a case of misandry. Misandry exists, but this certainly is not it. Those men are not discriminated against for being men. Those men are discriminated against for acting abnormal, for acting in ways that's atypical to what people expect. For it to cross into misandry, those men would have to act like normal men and be discriminated just for acting like normal men and being normal men.[/QUOTE] no, they are discriminated against for being men. They are expected to live up to expectation, and then belittled when they break them. Same with how women were once made fun of for trying to be smart, because it wasn't womenly. The fact that men have to act "normal" to be accepted is the discrimination in of itself.
What's the point of that argument above? Men are (usually) naturally stronger, it's simple fucking biology. Don't try to live in fantasy-land where everybody is exactly the same. Women can also get stronger than men. That's ALSO simple biology. It's just (usually) easier for a man to do it. It's not a simple matter as "race"/skin color where there are literally no genetic differences between "races" other than melanin production.
[QUOTE=ECrownofFire;36782560]What's the point of that argument above? Men are (usually) naturally stronger, it's simple fucking biology. Don't try to live in fantasy-land where everybody is exactly the same. Women can also get stronger than men. That's ALSO simple biology. It's just (usually) easier for a man to do it. It's not a simple matter as "race"/skin color where there are literally no genetic differences between "races" other than melanin production.[/QUOTE] differences between races are much bigger than just skin color. 5% of northern Europeans are lactose intolerant, while 90% of Africans and Asians are lactose intolerant, just as an example of a difference. Of course, lactose intolerance is still nothing to discriminate about.
[QUOTE=The Kakistocrat;36782773]differences between races are much bigger than just skin color. 5% of northern Europeans are lactose intolerant, while 90% of Africans and Asians are lactose intolerant, just as an example of a difference. Of course, lactose intolerance is still nothing to discriminate about.[/QUOTE] Also rather easily explained as cultural differences combined with genetic drift. Still nothing directly to do with race either way.
[QUOTE=ECrownofFire;36783901]Also rather easily explained as cultural differences combined with genetic drift. Still nothing directly to do with race either way.[/QUOTE] I was about to say something similar, but you hit it right on the head.
[QUOTE=ECrownofFire;36783901]Also rather easily explained as cultural differences combined with genetic drift. Still nothing directly to do with race either way.[/QUOTE] .. but they are genetic differences, between two races. I'm not saying that their some new species, simply that their are genetic differences between ethnic groups.
I remember when this was a debate on misandry.
[QUOTE=Mr. Smartass;36786788]I remember when this was a debate on misandry.[/QUOTE] The idea of differences between sexes is very integral to the idea of misogyny/misandry because discrimination only fits under those titles if it's not based on a real difference. One example would be a job with half men and half women, they all have the same job title... let's say they all work at the front of a fast food restaurant. They also have the same job description, but there are some parts of the job that men, on average, are more efficient at. This could be anything from putting away heavy boxes to moving tables and chairs around to clean the floor. The greater strength of the average man has lead to that man being able to do more facets of the job without help form another person. Now let's say that because of this more men are paid slightly more. From the outside this would look like misogyny because although the job descriptions are the same, men are paid more on average... but it isn't because the pay increase is based on a REAL difference.
[QUOTE=wraithcat;36765616]Except this is not a case of misandry. Misandry exists, but this certainly is not it. Those men are not discriminated against for being men. Those men are discriminated against for acting abnormal, for acting in ways that's atypical to what people expect. For it to cross into misandry, those men would have to act like normal men and be discriminated just for acting like normal men and being normal men.[/QUOTE] Would it not be misogynistic to think less of a woman for being muscular? For being intelligent? For playing video games? I don't understand how people can so easily recognize misogyny in every day situations, but misandry passes under the radar. A man likes to cuddle? He must be clingy. A man likes romantic movies/novels? He must be a pussy or gay. Yes, some of these things are applied by men as well as women, but in case you are forgetting, misogyny works the same way: women who are a part of the system keep the other ones down. This happened even during the heights of the women's rights movement, and continues to happen to this day. Misandry is a real thing. It is not as pronounced as misogyny, nor are the effects as prevalent. But I think while we're spending all this time and money dealing with one, we might as well throw the other in for good measure.
Those examples you just posted are examples of misogyny (and how it also hurts men). A man who likes to cuddle of likes romantic movies/novels is looked down upon because he "acts like a woman" which is deemed inferior compared to acting like a man.
[QUOTE=sp00ks;36801153]Those examples you just posted are examples of misogyny (and how it also hurts men). A man who likes to cuddle of likes romantic movies/novels is looked down upon because he "acts like a woman" which is deemed inferior compared to acting like a man.[/QUOTE] And women who act like men are looked down on in the same way by some people. I've said it once, I'll say it again; Our society does not revolve around woman hatred, it revolves around "ideals" for both sexes.
[QUOTE=sp00ks;36801153]Those examples you just posted are examples of misogyny (and how it also hurts men). A man who likes to cuddle of likes romantic movies/novels is looked down upon because he "acts like a woman" which is deemed inferior compared to acting like a man.[/QUOTE] Pretty much nailed it.
[QUOTE=sp00ks;36801153]Those examples you just posted are examples of misogyny (and how it also hurts men). A man who likes to cuddle of likes romantic movies/novels is looked down upon because he "acts like a woman" which is deemed inferior compared to acting like a man.[/QUOTE] in that case, women being belittled for being smart, or being muscular, is actually misandry, because they are being looked down upon for acting like a man. [editline]16th July 2012[/editline] [QUOTE=Mr. Smartass;36802989]And women who act like men are looked down on in the same way by some people. I've said it once, I'll say it again; Our society does not revolve around woman hatred, it revolves around "ideals" for both sexes.[/QUOTE] exactly.
[QUOTE=BoysLightUp;36749227]actually i've heard the claim that female parents are granted custody far more often than male parents a lot, it's one of the big legit gripes amongst MRAs. cbf finding a source though.[/QUOTE] funny thing, feminists helped balance this issue. [url]http://aapt-online.dhs.org/2011/04/16/why-do-people-blame-feminism-for-sexism-in-custody-battles-when-history-tells-us/[/url]
[QUOTE=sgman91;36786964]The idea of differences between sexes is very integral to the idea of misogyny/misandry because discrimination only fits under those titles if it's not based on a real difference. One example would be a job with half men and half women, they all have the same job title... let's say they all work at the front of a fast food restaurant. They also have the same job description, but there are some parts of the job that men, on average, are more efficient at. This could be anything from putting away heavy boxes to moving tables and chairs around to clean the floor. The greater strength of the average man has lead to that man being able to do more facets of the job without help form another person. Now let's say that because of this more men are paid slightly more. From the outside this would look like misogyny because although the job descriptions are the same, men are paid more on average... but it isn't because the pay increase is based on a REAL difference.[/QUOTE] Except you are full of shit, there's nothing in a fast food shop that a man would be better at then a woman unless the woman had a broken back or something, it's in your imagination. Paying men more is misogyny by definition plain and simple and theres no "real difference" IE [QUOTE=McGii;36773103]Its you, you are the misogynist[/QUOTE] [editline]17th July 2012[/editline] [QUOTE=FlakAttack;36790189] A man likes to cuddle? He must be clingy. A man likes romantic movies/novels? He must be a pussy or gay. [/QUOTE] Get out of the ninth grade, none of that happens anywhere except where there are homophobes. [editline]17th July 2012[/editline] [QUOTE=Mr. Smartass;36802989]And women who act like men are looked down on in the same way by some people. [/QUOTE] You keep going on with this BS, misandry exists on a case by case basis and is always mostly a problem for another minority whereas misogyny is baked into our society
[QUOTE=McGii;36805973]Except you are full of shit, there's nothing in a fast food shop that a man would be better at then a woman unless the woman had a broken back or something, it's in your imagination[/QUOTE] I've worked in 2 different fast food restaurants. One of them had nothing like you said, the other had quite a few things where the management had guys do the jobs 90% of the time because it consisted of moving 3-5 full pallets (about 6 feet high each) from outside the store to inside the store. There were multiple boxes/containers weighing 50+ pounds each that most all of the women in the store had a tough time carrying. Another example is the cleaning of the floors at the end of the day. We had very heavy movable tables that had to be pushed aside every night in order to clean the floor. The same thing applied to that as to the pallets. So you can say all you like, but it's the reality in quite a few places.
Should probably add that the preference towards woman is a relic of the Victorian era where these gender roles actually existed (they don't any more) where the woman of the house had the duty to look after the kids and the husband and is also the origin of the whole make me a sandwhich thing [editline]17th July 2012[/editline] [QUOTE=sgman91;36806063]I've worked in 2 different fast food restaurants. One of them had nothing like you said, the other had quite a few things where the management had guys do the jobs 90% of the time because it consisted of moving 3-5 full pallets (about 6 feet high each) from outside the store to inside the store. There were multiple boxes/containers weighing 50+ pounds each that most all of the women in the store had a tough time carrying. Another example is the cleaning of the floors at the end of the day. We had very heavy movable tables that had to be pushed aside every night in order to clean the floor. The same thing applied to that as to the pallets. So you can say all you like, but it's the reality in quite a few places.[/QUOTE] Palettes weigh shit all, and it's against the law here to pick up anything more than 20kgs by yourself because even for buff guys theres a risk of back injury so yeah by showing off your guns you were actually being really stupid even it isn't against the law. Stupidity isn't misandry you dumb fuck
[QUOTE=McGii;36806073]Palettes weigh shit all, and it's against the law here to pick up anything more than 20kgs by yourself because even for buff guys theres a risk of back injury so yeah by showing off your guns you were actually being really stupid even it isn't against the law. Stupidity isn't misandry you dumb fuck[/QUOTE] ... Palettes, as in palettes full of stuff. They are about 4x4x6 If you've ever worked a real job you find out that it's impossible to follow every facet of every law. Have fun telling your boss that you won't carry anything over 20kg (hint: he'll get the person who can to take your hours)
Question. Feminists/women's right activists want to be equal as men, right? Then why do they go buttmad when a man physically fights a woman? We're equal after all! [highlight](User was banned for this post ("This is not debating." - Megafan))[/highlight]
[QUOTE=sgman91;36806136]... Palettes, as in palettes full of stuff. They are about 4x4x6 If you've ever worked a real job you find out that it's impossible to follow every facet of every law. Have fun telling your boss that you won't carry anything over 20kg (hint: he'll get the person who can to take your hours)[/QUOTE] I live in a country that actually cares about workers and their entitlements[img]http://i.somethingawful.com/forumsystem/emoticons/emot-smug.gif[/img] You're shitty example doesn't make you less of a misogynist prick however, there's nothing reasonable that a woman can't do to the same efficiency as a man and you are a really shitty person if you want to be paid more cause you were born with a dick [editline]17th July 2012[/editline] [QUOTE=sonerin;36806141]Question. Feminists/women's right activists want to be equal as men, right? Then why do they go buttmad when a man physically fights a woman? We're equal after all![/QUOTE] Read this back to yourself and realise how shitty a question it is
[QUOTE=McGii;36806193]I live in a country that actually cares about workers and their entitlements[IMG]http://i.somethingawful.com/forumsystem/emoticons/emot-smug.gif[/IMG] You're shitty example doesn't make you less of a misogynist prick however, there's nothing reasonable that a woman can't do to the same efficiency as a man and you are a really shitty person if you want to be paid more cause you were born with a dick [editline]17th July 2012[/editline] Read this back to yourself and realise how shitty a question it is[/QUOTE] Jesus, you're so full of logical fallacies it's impossible to take you seriously. I give up, you are too good at completely ignoring the argument and then replying with irrelevant ad hominems.
[QUOTE=sonerin;36806141]Question. Feminists/women's right activists want to be equal as men, right? Then why do they go buttmad when a man physically fights a woman? We're equal after all![/QUOTE] because fighting isn't good i'm guessing that's why they are "buttmad", fighting people is a stupid thing to do
[QUOTE=sgman91;36806229]Jesus, you're so full of logical fallacies it's impossible to take you seriously.[/QUOTE] You can do better than that [img]http://i.somethingawful.com/forumsystem/emoticons/emot-irony.gif[/img] [editline]17th July 2012[/editline] nice edit on the end there, protip: Calling someone out on a shitty opinion isn't an ad hominem fyi
[QUOTE=McGii;36806193][B]there's nothing reasonable that a woman can't do to the same efficiency as a man[/B][/QUOTE] Way to go ignoring all the evidence that says otherwise. It's called testosterone, and men have more.
provide a real world example where that actually matters [editline]17th July 2012[/editline] this thread has gone from asking whether or not misandry exists to misogynist men defending their misogyny im pretty sure that conclusively proves that misandry isn't a thing
[QUOTE=sonerin;36806141]Question. Feminists/women's right activists want to be equal as men, right? Then why do they go buttmad when a man physically fights a woman? We're equal after all![/QUOTE] If you actually knew anything about feminism and their theories on the power structure of society beyond some idiotic (and wrong) notion that they are exclusively representing the rights of women you'd have the answer to that question. But you don't.
testosterone is relevant when gauging extremes. all women should be able to carry a 50 pound box unless they are suffering from neuromuscular disease, and that's if they have zero experience with carrying weight.
[QUOTE=thisispain;36806436]testosterone is relevant when gauging extremes. all women should be able to carry a 50 pound box unless they are suffering from neuromuscular disease, and that's if they have zero experience with carrying weight.[/QUOTE] If I'm doing the math right thats 24kg which is enough to cause strain on your back which is why it's illegal to ask a worker to lift it here (and is why if you fly in Aus if your bag is >20kg that put the sticker on it) so even though they could they shouldnt
[QUOTE=McGii;36806488]If I'm doing the math right thats 24kg which is enough to cause strain on your back which is why it's illegal to ask a worker to lift it here (and is why if you fly in Aus if your bag is >20kg that put the sticker on it) so even though they could they shouldnt[/QUOTE] yeah of course it's not something healthy but it's silly to say women can't lift 24 kg's. there's a difference but it's not "only men can carry more than 24 kg's". women who train can lift 300 pounds.
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