• Is misandry real?
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yeah im agreeing with you
[QUOTE=sgman91;36806136] Have fun telling your boss that you won't carry anything over 20kg (hint: he'll get the person who can to take your hours)[/QUOTE] uh your boss would be breaking health and safety laws you know stuff you lose your job over
[QUOTE=thisispain;36806581]uh your boss would be breaking health and safety laws you know stuff you lose your job over[/QUOTE] If he forces you to carry anything over 20kg. What he could actually do (if he's a prick), would be to give you as little hours as he can, which isn't illegal and fucks you over.
Well you can't really say it's misandry because 1 guy doesn't give a shit about the health of his workers thats really shitty though, sucks to be american I guess
[QUOTE=The Kakistocrat;36803424]in that case, women being belittled for being smart, or being muscular, is actually misandry, because they are being looked down upon for acting like a man. [/QUOTE] Not really, it's just people being extremely uptight about gender roles. No one is saying "being intelligent/muscular is wrong", just that women shouldn't be it. If anything it's misogyny. Our beauty ideals about women being very thin and weak and men as big and strong are partially because of how we see men as the strong ones and women as weak (not only physically). [editline]17th July 2012[/editline] [QUOTE=BoysLightUp;36806769]If he forces you to carry anything over 20kg. What he could actually do (if he's a prick), would be to give you as little hours as he can, which isn't illegal and fucks you over.[/QUOTE] If anyone else carries over 20kg, he's still breaking laws and can still lose his job.
If being attracted to muscular women is wrong [img]http://www.topmusclegirls.com/Gallery90/Pics/Connie0005.jpg[/img] then I don't wana be right :)
theres nothing wrong with it but god damm that girls going to get skin cancer so bad
[QUOTE=McGii;36807349]theres nothing wrong with it but god damm that girls going to get skin cancer so bad[/QUOTE] It's just rub on relax :v: [img]http://i.imgur.com/cKau6.png[/img]
[QUOTE=McGii;36806375]provide a real world example where that actually matters[/QUOTE] "Females exhibited 63% of the isometric strength and 55-59% of the lifting capacity of males." [url]http://oai.dtic.mil/oai/oai?verb=getRecord&metadataPrefix=html&identifier=ADA160687[/url] "Absolute strength of the women ranged from 42.2 to 62.8% that of men." [url]http://jap.physiology.org/content/71/2/644.short[/url] "Though female athletes were significantly stronger (444 N) than their untrained female counterparts, this value corresponded to only the 25th percentile of the male subjects." [url]http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/17186303[/url] "The men’s strength scores ranged from 81.8 kg to 152.3 kg ... dominant ... leg... Dominant strength for the women ranged from 25 kg to 68.2 kg... " [URL="https://docs.google.com/viewer?a=v&q=cache:S9qm3g00OKQJ:www.jssm.org/vol4/n2/8/v4n2-8pdf.pdf+&hl=en&gl=us&pid=bl&srcid=ADGEESiFerTpT11u4FbB1JRlij62R0LtWTLHgjj4aQDy7GZY7MyJD8SgOHZzCZytLdSQyVeBuj800A6FuH_AMwEBY-A-59J8LDduoomyDHEDjn1iBXGD51lRwurkVrr0oW8TAIFDmkTe&sig=AHIEtbQdDwIi_V13Tn2iDOdqKDaBC55xzA"]Link[/URL] Yeah, no difference at ALL between the two.
[QUOTE=McGii;36806375]provide a real world example where that [B]actually matters[/B] [editline]17th July 2012[/editline] [/QUOTE]
"I'm just going to ignore everything" McGii
[QUOTE=McGii;36807471][/QUOTE] I'm pretty sure that HALF the strength matters in damn near everything.
Saying that men and women are completely the same strength-wise, is incredibly ignorant, especially when it comes to applied strength and brute force. There must be a reason why there's mostly male workers in physically demanding careers? And don't come here with the "woman with muscles are looked down upon" bullshit. Even if the government is trying to recruit more women into these male-dominated workplaces, it's still a big sausage fest, go figure! But I'm guessing McGii is just here to spew insults and ignore facts.
It's extremely basic knowledge that men are stronger than women, I can't believe it's even being debated. Men have 10x more testosterone, that makes an enormous difference
i don't mean to damper your lemon-party but he never said men and women are completely teh same strength-wise. he said there's nothing reasonable that a woman can't do to the same efficiency as a man when it comes to the workplace and that's true. [quote]There must be a reason why there's mostly male workers in physically demanding careers?[/quote] male-dominated doesn't mean male-exclusive. that means there are women working in that career which throws the strength hypothesis out the window. here's a study about female construction workers. [url]http://www.osha.gov/doc/accsh/haswicformal.html[/url] [quote]A lot of times I feel like I've got to do this because I'm a girl, because if I don't they're going to say, 'See, what'd I tell ya, she's a girl. She can't lift it.' I didn't [ask for help], I ended [up] getting myself injured. It took once and one time only. I won't do it again, I won't be too proud to ask for help. Women injure themselves more than the men because they refuse help, and they are not allowed to ask for help, and it's a much bigger deal if a woman asks for help. [/quote] hey look it's another example of bullshit cultural attitudes hurting women 60% of women participate in the labour force.
[QUOTE=thisispain;36807697]i don't mean to damper your lemon-party but he never said men and women are completely teh same strength-wise. he said there's nothing reasonable that a woman can't do to the same efficiency as a man when it comes to the workplace and that's true. male-dominated doesn't mean male-exclusive. that means there are women working in that career which throws the strength hypothesis out the window. here's a study about female construction workers. [url]http://www.osha.gov/doc/accsh/haswicformal.html[/url] hey look it's another example of bullshit cultural attitudes hurting women 60% of women participate in the labour force.[/QUOTE] How can that apply to a majority? you're saying most female workers have pride issues and endanger themselves to impress males?
[QUOTE=thisispain;36807697]i don't mean to damper your lemon-party but he never said men and women are completely teh same strength-wise. he said there's nothing reasonable that a woman can't do to the same efficiency as a man when it comes to the workplace and that's true. male-dominated doesn't mean male-exclusive. that means there are women working in that career which throws the strength hypothesis out the window. here's a study about female construction workers. [URL]http://www.osha.gov/doc/accsh/haswicformal.html[/URL] hey look it's another example of bullshit cultural attitudes hurting women 60% of women participate in the labour force.[/QUOTE] Alright, excuse me jumping the gun a bit, his complete lack of decency towards the other debaters really annoyed me. It's good that more women go into more physically laborious jobs, but the cultural attitudes gotta go. The strange thing is that it seems completely random. If you see women work out at the gym and lift weights, they will be swarmed by dudes that are in awe(I've seen it myself), but in the workplace, they get a completely different treatment. Wonder why that is. Although, I've worked in physically demanding jobs, and the women get treated with respect, so it isn't EVERYWHERE, but still.
People are assholes at work, doesn't matter your sex
[QUOTE=Barbarian887;36807734]How can that apply to a majority? you're saying most female workers have pride issues and endanger themselves to impress males?[/QUOTE] no i'm saying that most female workers seem to do just fine in the workforce even with the supposed handicap. so what McGii was saying is that when it comes to the workforce a woman could reasonably do the same exact thing men do. the biggest barrier is cultural attitudes, not their potential strength. i'm reminded of the industrial work women did when their husbands left for WW2. who was there to argue about potential strength when the women basically produced the military back-line. certainly testosterone and muscle build-up capacity is a factor, but only when we talk about cases in which that becomes a factor which will likely not include 99.9% of all the jobs. now this argument stems from the argument of the gender wage gap, but that's completely based on a lie: [url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gender_pay_gap[/url] even when we adjust for all possible gender differences, IE strength, maternity leave, etc. we're still left with a gap. at that point you'd have to be insane to say that's because men have more strength because women earn less for doing the same exact job. [editline]17th July 2012[/editline] [QUOTE=Thaard;36807757]in the workplace, they get a completely different treatment. Wonder why that is. [/QUOTE] if you ask me it stems from the notion of male pride. we are told we shouldn't have women do work. of course this is slowly being reversed, but it pops out in places where people aren't looking. [editline]17th July 2012[/editline] [QUOTE=Barbarian887;36807771]People are assholes at work, doesn't matter your sex[/QUOTE] so you're saying that the people who sexually harass women would also sexually harass men? somehow i doubt that.
[QUOTE=Thaard;36807757]Alright, excuse me jumping the gun a bit, his complete lack of decency towards the other debaters really annoyed me. [/QUOTE] Get fucked if you want me to show decency to a bigot [highlight](User was banned for this post ("Cool down" - Ninja101))[/highlight]
Oh come on, this thread is so interesting, can we [I]please[/I] stop throwing ad hominem's around like angsty teens? [sub][sub]I'm looking at you McGii[/sub][/sub]
[QUOTE=McGii;36807903]Get fucked if you want me to show decency to a bigot[/QUOTE] jesus fucking christ
double check your definition of ad hominem there bro [editline]17th July 2012[/editline] [QUOTE=Lord of Ears;36807999]jesus fucking christ[/QUOTE] grow a skin [editline]17th July 2012[/editline] [quote][B]Bigotry is the state of mind of a "bigot"[/B], a person [B]obstinately or intolerantly devoted to his or her own opinions and prejudices[/B], especially one who exhibits intolerance or animosity toward members of a group.[B]Bigotry may be based on real or perceived characteristics, including sex,[/B] sexual orientation, gender identity, race, ethnicity, nationality, region, language, religious or spiritual belief, personal habits, political alignment, age, economic status or disability, dissension to popular opinions[/quote] [QUOTE=sgman91;36786964]"Pay me more because my female colleagues aren't stupid enough to injure their backs and men deserve more cause it's based on an irrelevant strength difference[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=McGii;36807903]Get fucked if you want me to show decency to a bigot[/QUOTE] Haha, you're making yourself look as bad as these "bigots" you mention. Why are you getting so riled up over an internet-discussion? Is it some kind of dominance thing? [QUOTE=thisispain;36807783] if you ask me it stems from the notion of male pride. we are told we shouldn't have women do work. of course this is slowly being reversed, but it pops out in places where people aren't looking. [/QUOTE] Yea, that's probably it. From my experience from working physically demanding jobs, there seems to be this kind of jargon, where everyone is constantly giving each other shit but don't really mean it. Maybe some people take it the wrong way.
[QUOTE=McGii;36808015]double check your definition of ad hominem there bro [editline]17th July 2012[/editline] grow a skin [editline]17th July 2012[/editline] Bigotry is the state of mind of a "bigot", a person obstinately or intolerantly devoted to his or her own opinions and prejudices, especially one who exhibits intolerance or animosity toward members of a group.Bigotry may be based on real or perceived characteristics, including sex, sexual orientation, gender identity, race, ethnicity, nationality, region, language, religious or spiritual belief, personal habits, political alignment, age, economic status or disability, dissension to popular opinions "Pay me more because my female colleagues are stupid enough to injure their backs and men deserve more cause it's based on an irrelevant strength difference[/QUOTE] i might be missing something but he never said that in his post(?) [editline]17th July 2012[/editline] [QUOTE=Thaard;36808098]Haha, you're making yourself look as bad as these "bigots" you mention. Why are you getting so riled up over an internet-discussion? Is it some kind of dominance thing?[/QUOTE] he's been a rascal throughout this whole thread
it was paraphrased but yes thats what he said
yeah that's not gonna fly sorry
Ok thanks for your input thats really great but the truth of the matter is that sgman literally believes that men should be paid more because he was willing to ignore safety regulations and put his back out whereas the women wouldn't, also strength differences that make no impact on a womans ability to do the job he literally believes that, and you are literally defending him
[QUOTE=thisispain;36807783]no i'm saying that most female workers seem to do just fine in the workforce even with the supposed handicap. so what McGii was saying is that when it comes to the workforce a woman could reasonably do the same exact thing men do. the biggest barrier is cultural attitudes, not their potential strength. i'm reminded of the industrial work women did when their husbands left for WW2. who was there to argue about potential strength when the women basically produced the military back-line. certainly testosterone and muscle build-up capacity is a factor, but only when we talk about cases in which that becomes a factor which will likely not include 99.9% of all the jobs. now this argument stems from the argument of the gender wage gap, but that's completely based on a lie: [url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gender_pay_gap[/url] even when we adjust for all possible gender differences, IE strength, maternity leave, etc. we're still left with a gap. at that point you'd have to be insane to say that's because men have more strength because women earn less for doing the same exact job. [editline]17th July 2012[/editline] if you ask me it stems from the notion of male pride. we are told we shouldn't have women do work. of course this is slowly being reversed, but it pops out in places where people aren't looking. [editline]17th July 2012[/editline] so you're saying that the people who sexually harass women would also sexually harass men? somehow i doubt that.[/QUOTE] I agree that in the workplace women can do just fine 90% of the time. and I meant that people act like dicks to both parties, they treat their fellow man like dirt and women like incompetent little sex toys. not all, but a lot do
[QUOTE=McGii;36808198]Ok thanks for your input thats really great but the truth of the matter is that sgman literally believes that men should be paid more because he was willing to ignore safety regulations and put his back out whereas the women wouldn't, also strength differences that make no impact on a womans ability to do the job he literally believes that, and you are literally defending him[/QUOTE] i'm literally not literally defending him, i'm literally accusing you of literally shitting up a thread [editline]17th July 2012[/editline] literally
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