Hey I've got an idea. Instead of asking people who are obviously out to get the stuff for themselves, send off a query to the company, ask whether they've shipped that stuff to that location at some point during the last month.
[QUOTE=hypno-toad;20848034]How could he feel sorry if he's dead?
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[I]You just said[/I] it's "pocket change." In the real world that I live in, that's slang for "worthless."
650 dollars for doing nothing is hardly "pocket change"[/QUOTE]
job.
he stole it so to me, at least, it makes it worthless.
stealing items is illegal.
buying/selling stolen goods is illegal.
pretty sure the law in Australia says that as well.
it being in an alley does not make it anyone's property.
I do appreciate the OP getting the items up before they were ruined, however I would have knocked on the doors closest to the boxes, and asked around to see if they were indeed free.
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[QUOTE=The Ripper;20848086]job.
he stole it so to me, at least, it makes it worthless.
[/QUOTE]
OH, well, to me, and all the potential buyers, it doesn't make it worthless. And what the fuck does "job" mean, Unless you make over $50 an hour, 650 dollars is still a considerable amount of money.
The fact that he even "stole" it is still up for debate. The items were neglected and abandoned in an unusual place, it'd be like finding them in the dumpster. If he hadn't taken them, they would have become wrecked anyways.
[QUOTE=hypno-toad;20848150]OH, well, to me, and all the potential buyers, it doesn't make it worthless. And what the fuck does "job" mean, Unless you make over $50 dollars an hour, 650 dollars is still a considerable amount of money.
The fact that he even "stole" it is still up for debate. The items were neglected and abandoned in an unusual place, it'd be like finding them in the dumpster. If he hadn't taken them, they would have become wrecked anyways.[/QUOTE]
It's like finding keys or money on the ground.
[QUOTE=hypno-toad;20848150]OH, well, to me, and all the potential buyers, it doesn't make it worthless.
The fact that he even "stole" it is still up for debate. The items were neglected and abandoned in an unusual place, it'd be like finding them in the dumpster. If he hadn't taken them, they would have become wrecked anyways.[/QUOTE]
didnt even finish reading my post.
there's a difference between being a good Samaritan, taking the items inside during the rain, and taking the items home and making a thread about stealing them.
it's not your place to decide what someone wants to do with their property, it's not a dog that's being neglected.
I hope to god the OP doesn't see a car for sell on the side of the road, he very well may commit a felony GTA
keep in mind they may have simply forgotten they left the items outside, or they may very well have left the items outside with the intent of getting rid of them, but do you really think somebody in their right mind is going to get rid of a mixer marked $995?
[QUOTE=Klownox;20848186]It's like finding keys or money on the ground.[/QUOTE]
Basically. Obviously there's a far higher chance that they belong to somebody, but it'd be like riding your bike out into a public area, and just leaving it there for 3 days unlocked and unattended. At that point it basically becomes abandoned property.
There's a good chance what the OP is doing right now is only "borderline illegal." Nobody claimed the items, and they were left unattended and neglected.
[QUOTE=Klownox;20848186]It's like finding keys or money on the ground.[/QUOTE]
finding money on the ground is one thing, you got lucky.
whenever I find car keys or a wallet in the parking lot I'll turn it into the establishment, making sure I give it to management if it's a wallet with money in it, generally more trustworthy.
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[QUOTE=hypno-toad;20848222]Basically. Obviously there's a far higher chance that they belong to somebody, but it'd be like riding your bike out into a public area, and just leaving it there for 3 days unlocked and unattended. At that point it basically becomes abandoned property.
There's a good chance what the OP is doing right now is only "borderline illegal." Nobody claimed the items, and they were left unattended and neglected.[/QUOTE]
no, no, no.
this is a teenager view set, there is no 72 time limit on an object, jesus christ.
There is no "borderline illegal" he took objects without consent.
when your wallet drops on the ground it does not make it ok for some joseph smuck to run up and steal it claiming it was neglected.
you are trying to justify thievery, rather than saying it's not thievery, which it is.
as for that bicycle part, my department here in the US uses bait bicycles and we catch them by the dozens. the bicycle being abandoned does not make it fair game, you cannot rationalize this, the same way a building being empty does not make everything inside fair game.
[QUOTE=Zeke129;20847656]Phone the house they were closest to, ask if they were expecting a delivery. If they were, tell them you brought some boxes in from the rain for them. If they can confirm what the items are, give them back.[/QUOTE]
This.
Personally I'd put them to use if it ended up i could keep them, but meh, if you want the cash they are yours to sell.... until a month later when some guy comes knocking demanding box's you just sold heh...
[QUOTE=The Ripper;20848232]finding money on the ground is one thing, you got lucky.
whenever I find car keys or a wallet in the parking lot I'll turn it into the establishment, making sure I give it to management if it's a wallet with money in it, generally more trustworthy.
[editline]04:14AM[/editline]
no, no, no.
this is a teenager view set, there is no 72 time limit on an object, jesus christ.
There is no "borderline illegal" he took objects without consent.
when your wallet drops on the ground it does not make it ok for some joseph smuck to run up and steal it claiming it was neglected.
you are trying to justify thievery, rather than saying it's not thievery, which it is.
as for that bicycle part, we use bait bikes here in the US and we catch them by the dozens. the bicycle being abandoned does not make it fair game, you cannot rationalize this, the same way a building being empty does not make everything inside fair game.[/QUOTE]
A wallet has some form of identification in it. This can't exactly be traced to somebody.
[QUOTE=Zeke129;20847656]Phone the house they were closest to, ask if they were expecting a delivery. If they were, tell them you brought some boxes in from the rain for them. If they can confirm what the items are, give them back.[/QUOTE]
This is a very good idea.
Instead of thinking you stole some items you'd score some free equipment, and I guarantee you'd feel a lot better about the whole ordeal.
[QUOTE=lintz;20848071]Hey I've got an idea. Instead of asking people who are obviously out to get the stuff for themselves, send off a query to the company, ask whether they've shipped that stuff to that location at some point during the last month.[/QUOTE]
I'm doubting a professional company would deliver valuable electronic's to an alley..
off topic:
[QUOTE=B1N4RY!;20847840]OP, take a picture of the alley where you found these from[/QUOTE]
Nice new dp.
[QUOTE=^0mKTank;20848301]A wallet has some form of identification in it. This can't exactly be traced to somebody.[/QUOTE]
Uh, yes it can. Fairly simply, Ready above.
Who would be so fucking stupid to leave things so expensive on an alley.
[QUOTE=Yur|ko;20848340]Who would be so fucking stupid to leave things so expensive on an alley.[/QUOTE]
Who the fuck would leave a car in a parking place.
[QUOTE=The Ripper;20848208]didnt even finish reading my post.
there's a difference between being a good Samaritan, taking the items inside during the rain, and taking the items home and making a thread about stealing them.
it's not your place to decide what someone wants to do with their property, it's not a dog that's being neglected.
I hope to god the OP doesn't see a car for sell on the side of the road, he very well may commit a felony GTA
keep in mind they may have simply forgotten they left the items outside, or they may very well have left the items outside with the intent of getting rid of them, but do you really think somebody in their right mind is going to get rid of a mixer marked $995?[/QUOTE]
How about you go bring a valuable object on private or public property, and leave it unattended for a long time period. If you're not willing to guard your stuff and prove ownership by doing so, what makes it yours?
"Own" means in your possession. These objects were not in the possession of the purchaser, and whoever he/she may be, they obviously didn't care about them enough to actually get them, to ensure that they stay in their possession. Literally, they are not the owners of the items. If no trace of ownership can be found on the items, then the person who purchased it [I]does not own them[/I].
If you leave something on your land, or it has marks of ownership, then it belongs to you. If it is left on public property of the city, or private property of somebody else, and you don't have a name or something like that on it, then it's not really yours any more.
All that aside, It appears the item came from [URL="http://www.allansmusic.com.au/prod/149366/M-Audio_Fast_Track_Ultra_8R_USB_Audio_Interface.aspx"]this website. [/URL]That is the closest thing to a marking of ownership. The store should be contacted. If after that, the item is not claimed, then it's basically his. Maybe not formally by law, but if nobody claims it, it's abandoned property with no signs of ownership. In which case he could probably use it for himself, or sell it without anybody giving a crap.
@ OP:
[quote][B]Allans Music Melbourne
[/B] The Allans Music store in downtown Melbourne boasts a comprehensive range of musical instruments from the world's leading brands. We carry an extensive range of guitars, amps, music technology and live performance, drums and percussion, acoustic and digital pianos, keyboards, band and orchestral and print music.
Allans Music Melbourne is the # 1 dealer in Kawai pianos.
We are also proud to be the exclusive distributor for [URL="http://www.allansmusic.com.au/Pianos/Brands-Shigeru-Kawai.aspx"]Shigeru Kawai concert grand pianos[/URL] in VICPhotos include images by Paul Louis Villani[/quote]That's probably your best bet. You should check there.
What the fuck are you people talking about. You can't just lose speakers like a wallet you put them there on purpose. Obviously no one gave a fuck about them so they abandoned them. They also wouldn't deliver $1,000 equipment with a visible price tag to some fucking random alleyway not even boxed up.
Just sell that shit. If you're a pussy and feel bad just post a flyer with your email on it where you found them and ask the owner to contact you with proof of purchase.
I envy you good sir.
damn, I want that interface.
I feel bad for whoever lost out on that purchase. youch
[QUOTE=hypno-toad;20848360]How about you go bring a valuable object on private or public property, and leave it unattended for a long time period. If you're not willing to guard your stuff and prove ownership by doing so, what makes it yours?[/quote]
If you think 3 hours (in the OP) is enough time for something to automatically lose all ownership value and become public domain than you have another thing coming.
Oh so you have to guard your possessions in order to make them yours? You have absolutely positively ZERO right to decide whether or not an object belongs to a person or not. Having no identification available on an object does not make it fine to take.
If the person PAID for, or RECEIVED the item in question LEGALLY, they are completely obligated to do whatever the fuck they want to with it, including destroying their OWN property as long as they do not disturb the peace.
You obviously have no sense of what it means to own something, but here goes.
[quote]
"Own" means in your possession. These objects were not in the possession of the purchaser, and whoever he/she may be, they obviously didn't care about them enough to actually get them, to ensure that they stay in their possession. Literally, they are not the owners of the items. If no trace of ownership can be found on the items, then the person who purchased it [I]does not own them[/I].
[/quote]
Wrong, if you do not attempt to trace the ownership it's not the same as not owning them.
I'll be sure to follow you wherever you go, god forbid something falls out of your pockets, or you leave your backpack at school.
[quote]
If you leave something on your land, or it has marks of ownership, then it belongs to you. If it is left on public property of the city, or private property of somebody else, and you don't have a name or something like that on it, then it's not really yours any more.
[/quote]
Wrong again, read bait bicycles in previous post. all you have to do is provide proof of purchase/ownership. If the person wants to press charges on you for stealing property you are shit out of luck. Lets see how far that argument gets you in a civil court.
[quote]
All that aside, It appears the item came from [URL="http://www.allansmusic.com.au/prod/149366/M-Audio_Fast_Track_Ultra_8R_USB_Audio_Interface.aspx"]this website. [/URL]That is the closest thing to a marking of ownership. The store should be contacted. If after that, the item is not claimed, then it's basically his. Maybe not formally by law, but if nobody claims it, it's abandoned property with no signs of ownership. In which case he could probably use it for himself, or sell it without anybody giving a crap.[/QUOTE]
Probably the only think I partly agree with, not only would I contact the store, I would also check around the doors closest to where the package was left. Then again, facepunch is full of angsty teens who are only out to make a few bucks it seems, but I'm sure the OP will do the right thing.
[QUOTE=Jimpy;20848380]What the fuck are you people talking about. You can't just lose speakers like a wallet you put them there on purpose. Obviously no one gave a fuck about them so they abandoned them. They also wouldn't deliver $1,000 equipment with a visible price tag to some fucking random alleyway not even boxed up.
Just sell that shit. If you're a pussy and feel bad just post a flyer with your email on it where you found them and ask the owner to contact you with proof of purchase.[/QUOTE]
[quote]Then again, facepunch is full of angsty teens who are only out to make a few bucks it seems, but I'm sure the OP will do the right thing.
[/quote]
Oh look what I just typed. Filling in that stereotype nicely.
You never know someones motives. Perhaps they moved the items outside waiting for them to get picked up, or maybe people in Australia think differently than you and I, I don't know. I do agree it was stupid to leave expensive electronic equipment outside however stupid does not constitute OK to steal.
I have no jurisdiction in any city besides Indianapolis however, if you want to be confirmed on the matter, visit your local PD and recount them the tale. Perhaps they'll have a different opinion than I.
When the fuck did facepunch go all "MORALS MORALS MORALS".
[QUOTE=Monkey pie;20848472]When the fuck did facepunch go all "MORALS MORALS MORALS".[/QUOTE]
yea mang fuck dah powah, fuckin' pigs, fuck dah pooolice.
anarchy anarchy woo woo.
Oh wait.
[QUOTE=The Ripper;20848232]
as for that bicycle part, my department here in the US uses bait bicycles and we catch them by the dozens. the bicycle being abandoned does not make it fair game, you cannot rationalize this, the same way a building being empty does not make everything inside fair game.[/QUOTE]
:downs:
If the bike is locked up, then that's a mark of possession. Bikes do not lock themselves up. If your department leaves unlocked, unattended bicycles out for bait in public areas, that's simply retarded, mindnumbing. It'd be like leaving an unmarked lunchbox out in no-mans land, and then arresting the first person to pick it up.
It doesn't matter if the building is abandoned. The city will still have a record of the owner. That is ownership. If it is formally abandoned, then the property comes under the ownership of the next land developer or the city.
[QUOTE=hypno-toad;20848496]:downs:
If the bike is locked up, then that's a mark of possession. Bikes do not lock themselves up.
If your department leaves unlocked, unattended bicycles out for bait in public areas, that's simply retarded, mindnumbing. It'd be like leaving an unmarked lunchbox out in no-mans land, and then arresting the first person to pick it up.[/QUOTE]
It's illegal for them and legal for us.
The law is the law, they can cry about it all the want but it doesn't bother me.
Thieves are thieves, I'm sure they need that bicycle for their starving family.
[QUOTE=hypno-toad;20848496]
It doesn't matter if the building is abandoned. The city will still have a record of the owner. That is ownership. If it is formally abandoned, then the property comes under the ownership of the next land developer or the city.[/QUOTE]
and you are pretty daft if you think it's impossible to trace these speakers back to where they came from.
[QUOTE=The Ripper;20848513]It's illegal for them and legal for us.
The law is the law, they can cry about it all the want but it doesn't bother me.
Thieves are thieves, I'm sure they need that bicycle for their starving family.[/QUOTE]
You sicken me. People like you are the reason America is such a morally backward country. Good day to you :smile:
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[QUOTE=The Ripper;20848513]
and you are pretty daft if you think it's impossible to trace these speakers back to where they came from.[/QUOTE]
I already posted that. If the store has already sold them, and the purchaser did not leave any form of contact, then there's no way to contact him to give him his stuff. Ergo, he does (or may as well) not own it. The law in most countries defines this as a 90 day waiting period. If it's not claimed within the first week, it's probably not going to be claimed at all.
[QUOTE=hypno-toad;20848528]You sicken me. People like you are the reason America is such a morally backward country. Good day to you :smile:[/QUOTE]
oh golly, ad hominem attack.
just that little victory confirmation to let you know you've stamped the opposition to a pulp.
Hopefully you'll get your just deserves for stealing shit.
[QUOTE=The Ripper;20848540]oh golly, ad hominem attack.
just that little victory confirmation to let you know you've stamped the opposition to a pulp.
Hopefully you'll get your just deserves for stealing shit.[/QUOTE]
I don't "steal shit," I've just got a proper, non-bureaucratic conception of ownership.
so much arguing in this thread...
OP, just keep them, i would
[QUOTE=hypno-toad;20848528]
I already posted that. If the store has already sold them, and the purchaser did not leave any form of contact, then there's no way to contact him to give him his stuff. Ergo, he does (or may as well) not own it.[/QUOTE]
You DO NOT LOSE OWNERSHIP because you're name is not on an item, are you stupid?
As long as you can provide proof of ownership, or proof of purchase. In a court of law, You WILL WIN every. single. time.
If you are caught with stolen property in the US you will be charged with larceny. Plain and simple.
"man it was isnt my jacket someone put it there"
"i dunno how those tvs got there officer"
"i found them on the side of the road"
"they was in a dumpster" (3 car stereos, complete with screwdriver and crowbar for breaking in windows)
let me put it this way. you can be charged with receiving stolen property even if you did not know the item was stolen.
why do you think you have to show ID at a pawn shop when pawning an item?
[QUOTE=The Ripper;20848563]You DO NOT LOSE OWNERSHIP because you're name is not on an item, are you stupid?
As long as you can provide proof of ownership, or proof of purchase. In a court of law, You WILL WIN every. single. time.
If you are caught with stolen property in the US you will be charged with larceny. Plain and simple.
"man it was isnt my jacket someone put it there"
"i dunno how those tvs got there officer"
"i found them on the side of the road"
"they was in a dumpster" (3 car stereos, complete with screwdriver and crowbar for breaking in windows)
let me put it this way. you can be charged with receiving stolen property even if you did not know the item was stolen.
why do you think you have to show ID at a pawn shop when pawning an item?[/QUOTE]
can you just go away please
thanks
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