• Gay Chat V12 - Even More Optimistic
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[QUOTE=gerbe1;47240055]wth is this alcohol business don't talk like it's a surprise, make it the norm. Alcohol culture is dangerous you're all doing the world a favour by not drinking.[/QUOTE] But all the commercials say everyone will be my friend if I drink Bud Lite. Surely this must be true.
Fuck that shit I'll drink if I want to. I only get drunk when I know I won't drive and I never get black out drunk. It helps relax and get your mind off of shit for a night while having fun with friends [editline]1st March 2015[/editline] Seriously people acting like they're better for not drinking is annoying
I don't drink because my dad used to come in drunk every friday night and make an idiot of himself, occasionally passing out on the floor of the living room. He gave me a pretty good reason to not do anything along those lines, really :v:
[QUOTE=Batmoutarde;47240074]Fuck that shit I'll drink if I want to. I only get drunk when I know I won't drive and I never get black out drunk. It helps relax and get your mind off of shit for a night while having fun with friends [editline]1st March 2015[/editline] Seriously people acting like they're better for not drinking is annoying[/QUOTE] But they are. Drinking culture is a massive problem. Anyone pushing how good they are is gonna get annoying but I am gonna congratulate anyone who doesn't or has never drunk whenever I can because they are helping solve a problem. I drink alcohol mostly when it's free.
ain't nothing wrong with a glass of wine at dinner, that shit's classy as fuck
[QUOTE=gerbe1;47240116]But they are. Drinking culture is a massive problem. Anyone pushing how good they are is gonna get annoying but I am gonna congratulate anyone who doesn't or has never drunk whenever I can because they are helping solve a problem. I drink alcohol mostly when it's free.[/QUOTE] I tip my hat to you my fellow sober friend! Together we shall get rid the world of this cancerous drinking culture There's nothing wrong with drinking alcohol stop acting like you're solving a problem by not drinking and get your head out your ass
I have no problem with drinking, really. My brother does it and he's a perfectly capable person. It's when someone says "Well drinking/getting high solves all of my problems" does it start to become something bad. They don't solve anything. It's just a way to ignore it. If something is wrong with you, getting under the influence constantly isn't going to make it go away. You're putting a band aid on a gaping wound.
[QUOTE=Mysterious;47240148]I have no problem with drinking, really. My brother does it and he's a perfectly capable person. It's when someone says "Well drinking/getting high solves all of my problems" does it start to become something bad. They don't solve anything. It's just a way to ignore it. If something is wrong with you, getting under the influence constantly isn't going to make it go away. You're putting a band aid on a gaping wound.[/QUOTE] Yeah people drinking as a form of avoidance is a problem. I can also understand someone not wanting to drink if someone in their family was an alcoholic, but that whole "solving a problem" stuff gerbe said is full of shit
i'm almost 19 sux
I love getting absolutely wasted and losing inhibitions when going out with friends every couple of months, it's relaxing to feel unconstrained by normal worries and anxieties of every day life and be someone you're not.
[QUOTE=gerbe1;47240055]wth is this alcohol business don't talk like it's a surprise, make it the norm. Alcohol culture is dangerous you're all doing the world a favour by not drinking.[/QUOTE] I'm a shame to my country if I don't get wasted every Friday night.
[QUOTE=Batmoutarde;47240157]Yeah people drinking as a form of avoidance is a problem. I can also understand someone not wanting to drink if someone in their family was an alcoholic, but that whole "solving a problem" stuff gerbe said is full of shit[/QUOTE] Congratulating people for having never used drugs is silly, but alcohol [i]culture[/i] is a problem. Meaning, the social expectation for someone to drink and treating a certain age as a reason to get wasted. [editline]1st March 2015[/editline] i don't think it actually causes tangible problems though, rather it's just an expression of cultural stupidity that would find some other outlet
[QUOTE=Fancy Godgineer;47240287][B]I'm a shame to my country[/B] if I don't get wasted every Friday night.[/QUOTE] [QUOTE=Batmoutarde;47240157]Yeah people drinking as a form of avoidance is a problem. I can also understand someone not wanting to drink if someone in their family was an alcoholic, [B]but that whole "solving a problem" stuff gerbe said is full of shit[/B][/QUOTE] ? I drink alcohol. I'm not sober. I get drunk all the time. I'd like to stop but combine some anxiety with everyone else drinking leads to me drinking too much. But you know what's not comfortable? Getting drunk when other people aren't drinking at all. So if less people drink, then less people are comfortable drinking. It's not rocket science. Not drinking has the same peer pressure effect drinking does. I'm not saying everyone should stop drinking but not drinking does help to solve the problem. That exists. [editline]2nd March 2015[/editline] And as for actual problems look up one hit punch laws in Australia. Look up any alcohol related violence in Australia.
you can only blame yourself for drinking, gerbe it sucks that other people expect you to, but you can't use peer pressure as an excuse also, godgineer was making a joke about stereotypes
I really don't see what the "drinking culture" is and what the problem is tho. I drink because I want to, not because of the DRINKING CULTURE Like right now it sounds like you have a problem and you blame it on society
[QUOTE=bitches;47240346]you can only blame yourself for drinking, gerbe it sucks that other people expect you to, but you can't use peer pressure as an excuse also, godgineer was making a joke about stereotypes[/QUOTE] It doesn't matter if he was making a joke or not, that's something that happens; hence the stereotype. And yes I know that it's my decision in the end but that doesn't stop the fact that if less people drank alcohol I and others would also drink less alcohol.
what the fuck is drinking culture sounds just as silly as "gamer culture"
It actually does matter because people don't shame each other for not drinking. It was clearly a joke
[QUOTE=Batmoutarde;47240357]I really don't see what the "drinking culture" is and what the problem is tho. I drink because I want to, not because of the DRINKING CULTURE Like right now it sounds like you have a problem and you blame it on society[/QUOTE] gerbe is saying that in australia, drunkards are not properly held accountable for their actions but yeah uhhhhh
[QUOTE=bitches;47240381]gerbe is saying that in australia, drunkards are not properly held accountable for their actions but yeah uhhhhh[/QUOTE] Which is why I said his whole "solving the problem" shtick was full of shit. It's like getting caught for spending and blaming it on speed culture
[QUOTE=Batmoutarde;47240378]It actually does matter because people don't shame each other for not drinking. It was clearly a joke[/QUOTE] But it is something that happens. The more people who don't drink, the less likely more people are to drink, surely you agree with that statement? That's all I am saying here. [url]http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/news/nsw/brothers-one-punch-hit-in-kings-cross-leaves-sibling-with-critical-head-injuries/story-fni0cx12-1227173260095[/url] [url]http://www.couriermail.com.au/news/queensland/coward-punch-offender-gets-off-with-slap-on-the-wrist-and-magistrate-takes-swipe-at-one-punch-campaigns/story-fnihsrf2-1226859631804[/url] [url]http://www.smh.com.au/national/90-killed-in-singlepunch-assaults-since-2000-20131201-2yjtr.html[/url] [url]http://www.aic.gov.au/media_library/publications/rip/rip04.pdf[/url] All that, especially the last one with 25% of Australians being victims of alcohol related verbal abuse is pretty evident there's a problem. BUT! [url]http://www.abc.net.au/news/2015-02-27/macho-culture-to-blame-for-alcohol-fuelled-violence-dr-anne-fox/6270072[/url] This is interesting. So I am wrong right? No. I'm perhaps wrong in giving a world assumption to this - I had a generalised view of things. In Europe and Asia I guess I never really felt unsafe when drinking or with people who are drunk other than my own paranoia and one time in Austria. My paranoia comes from drinking in Australia (according to Dr Anne Fox). Unless I am at a gay club (idk why) I pretty much feel on edge 50% of the time. We have a 'macho culture' she says. Not a drinking problem. But what she also says is that the macho behaviour comes out when people drink. So the solution is to cut down the 'macho culture' and then when people drink it won't be a problem. BUT part of the macho culture is [I]drinking[/I] so if you break down that you break down one aspect of the 'macho culture', the drinking sub-culture. aka I like people who don't drink because they are explicitly resisting the culture that causes the violence when people in Australia get drunk. So when you say this: [QUOTE=Batmoutarde;47240139]I tip my hat to you my fellow sober friend! Together we shall get rid the world of this cancerous drinking culture There's nothing wrong with drinking alcohol stop acting like you're solving a problem by not drinking and get your head out your ass[/QUOTE] No there isn't anything wrong. My bad. Unless you live where I live where drinking brings out a part of people - a culture - that is violent and drinking is a part of that violent culture. So people who [I]don't[/I] drink are not forwarding the 'macho culture' and therefore I give them a pat on the back. Is there anything wrong with that? That's all I'm tryna say. [editline]2nd March 2015[/editline] The stuff about me 'drinking too much' was an appeal to emotion and came from my old ~argument mode~ attitude I used to have. It was falacious and stupid. Doesn't invalidate what I was actually failing to say.
You're thinking and looking way too fucking much into this. People being retarded when drunk isn't because there's a drinking culture it's because some people are retarded. Stop saying that someone who doesn't drink is better because he doesn't bow down to drinking culture you just sound like a tit. People drink because they like it get off your high horse [editline]1st March 2015[/editline] Like these were the kind of people who got in fights in high school to be tough. Now they just drink and fight to look tough.
[QUOTE=gerbe1;47240466]So people who don't drink are not forwarding the 'macho culture' and therefore I give them a pat on the back. Is there anything wrong with that? That's all I'm tryna say.[/QUOTE] yes you're saying that drinking always equals macho tough guy bullshit you shouldn't congratulate anyone or like them more simply because they don't drink that's just fucked [editline]1st March 2015[/editline] like them more for not being a jerkwad, sober or drunk not for using a drug you're confusing drunk culture for dumb asshole culture
[QUOTE=Batmoutarde;47240497]You're thinking and looking way too fucking much into this. People being retarded when drunk isn't because there's a drinking culture it's because some people are retarded. Stop saying that someone who doesn't drink is better because he doesn't bow down to drinking culture you just sound like a tit. People drink because they like it get off your high horse [editline]1st March 2015[/editline] Like these were the kind of people who got in fights in high school to be tough. Now they just drink and fight to look tough.[/QUOTE] That... that's what I am saying. Those people who drink and fight to look tough got that way because of what they believe to be accepted social behaviour. If you break that belief then you reduce the violence. According to the anthropologist I quoted. Seems logical to me. I'll stop saying people who don't drink are better. But I won't stop saying 'that's actually a good thing, good work!' when people say they don't drink. [editline]2nd March 2015[/editline] [QUOTE=bitches;47240520]yes you're saying that drinking always equals macho tough guy bullshit you shouldn't congratulate anyone or like them more simply because they don't drink that's just fucked [editline]1st March 2015[/editline] like them more for not being a jerkwad, sober or drunk not for using a drug you're confusing drunk culture for dumb asshole culture[/QUOTE] Concede not liking more. Won't concede not congratulating them. [editline]2nd March 2015[/editline] Proviso: in Australia / anywhere with the violent culture
The fuck are you, guys, on about now? Coffee V.2?
[QUOTE=gerbe1;47240531]I won't stop saying 'that's actually a good thing, good work!' when people say they don't drink. Won't concede not congratulating them. [/QUOTE] Why is it an achievement to not enjoy, or not act on enjoyment, of drugs?
I don't think you realize how stupid this sounds. CONGRATS YOU DON'T DRINK HERE'S A MERIT BADGE AND THANKS FOR MAKING THE WOULD A BETTER PLACE
[QUOTE=Batmoutarde;47240549]I don't think you realize how stupid this sounds. CONGRATS YOU DON'T DRINK HERE'S A MERIT BADGE AND THANKS FOR MAKING THE WOULD A BETTER PLACE[/QUOTE] That sounds actually p. ok to me? [editline]2nd March 2015[/editline] [QUOTE=bitches;47240546]Why is it an achievement to not enjoy, or not act on enjoyment, of drugs?[/QUOTE] It's an achievement to not further the macho culture.
Haha Holy shit you got issues then
[QUOTE=gerbe1;47240552] It's an achievement to not further the macho culture.[/QUOTE] Why do you think that using drugs, such as alcohol, is in all cases macho culture and the bad things that entails? Why are you not making a distinguishment between "macho culture" and alcohol? One involves the other, but it does not go both ways.
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