Space cant be from nothing.. - General

[QUOTE=|FlapJack|;25134356]OP: So what's left when you suck the air out of a bottle? Nothing.[/QUOTE] Still air, there's no such thing as perfection, and that goes for a vacuum.

By the way, any word from CERN on powering the LHC to full?

[QUOTE=|FlapJack|;25134356]OP: So what's left when you suck the air out of a bottle? Nothing.[/QUOTE] Air under very low pressure.

[QUOTE=RayDark;25134152]And dark matter? I suppose that doesn't exist either, it's just 'spaecz'[/QUOTE] That's like arguing space isn't nothing, because it contains space. That technically is a correct answer. Your definition of nothing is different than my definition of nothing, because, well, no one knows what nothing is.

[QUOTE=MovingSalad;25131526]Stephen Hawking said that for the universe to be constantly expanding, which he believes it to be (through mathematical, and scientific physical evidence and speculation), it must be contained WITHIN something. What that something is has not been established by humans. Yet.[/QUOTE] Universal membrane, we are but a quark on a spec of shit. And our universe is a cell.

[QUOTE=Yahnich;25134582]If I recall, recent hypothesises stat that the universe is a torus, which if true, would mean it is kind of an infinite loop, but only in the way a circle is an infinite line.[/QUOTE] Current hypotheses indicate that the universe is in the shape of a unicorn which exists in it's own dimension where it runs through multiple universes multiple times a day. :downs: Hypotheses are useless, theories are the only things that should be seriously considered.

[QUOTE=bravehat;25134851]Hypotheses are useless, theories are the only things that should be seriously considered.[/QUOTE] All theories first began as an hypotheses, which sometimes disproved other theories thought to previously be correct. If anything, they should be taken more serious, as a way to question what is already believed or supported to be true.

We live in the Matrix.

[QUOTE=showtek;25131927][media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b0lxbzgwW7I[/media] Cool, trought.[/QUOTE] Not accurate enough, lemme 1up you. [media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=17jymDn0W6U[/media]

[QUOTE=Ragy;25134992]All theories first began as an hypotheses, which sometimes disproved other theories thought to previously be correct. If anything, they should be taken more serious, as a way to question what is already believed or supported to be true.[/QUOTE] Hypotheses should only be taken seriously when they are a proposed idea to explain an event, but of course the shit ones are removed and the good ones remain to form theories.

[QUOTE=bravehat;25135188]Hypotheses should only be taken seriously when they are a proposed idea to explain an event, but of course the shit ones are removed and the good ones remain to form theories.[/QUOTE] All hypotheses are to explain or define an event. What differs a shit one from a good one? Nothing. No matter how radical it may be, it could be correct for all we know. Think of all we know now that they didn't know in the medieval ages. If we were to represent some of our information today to them, we would be laughed at and considered mentally crazy. The Big Bang theory was laughed at and called stupid when it was first only a hypothesis. What we consider ludicrous today may not be tomorrow. There is no such thing as a "shit hypotheses", as each one has the equal ability to evolve into a theory.

Speaking of mindfucks. If you have two polarization filter and place them so that they block each other out. Then place a third one in front of them two, it is possible to let light pass trough at a certain degree. Explain please.

[QUOTE=Ragy;25135415][B]All hypotheses are to explain or define an event. What differs a shit one from a good one? Nothing. No matter how radical it may be, it could be correct for all we know.[/B][/QUOTE] My hypothesis; You're being incredibly argumentative and provide shit points on the subject.

[QUOTE=Swebonny;25135440]Speaking of mindfucks. If you have two polarization filter and place them so that they block each other out. Then place a third one in front of them two, it is possible to let light pass trough at a certain degree. Explain please.[/QUOTE] Wth are you talking about?

[QUOTE=RayDark;25135476]My hypothesis; You're being incredibly argumentative and provide shit points on the subject.[/QUOTE] Do you have anything better to do than to come into a thread, offer no contributing posts to the argument at hand, and only offend people? [editline]08:02PM[/editline] [QUOTE=taipan;25135554]Wth are you talking about?[/QUOTE] I didn't get it either.

Hypothesis is a possible conclusion/cause for an observation/event. A theory is a conclusion with proof. [editline]10:05PM[/editline] Annyways my own reasoning would say that everything in space will be attracted to one another and we eventually will be pulled into a giant ball of all the mass in the world due to the simple reason that mass attracts mass. [editline]10:06PM[/editline] Unless there is something driving us from the centre of the universe.

[QUOTE=QuickSnapz;25131587][img]http://gyazo.com/1772b666f0fc3d5b1652ec3f1c7baddb.png[/img][/QUOTE] I believe.

[QUOTE=Ragy;25135574] I didn't get it either.[/QUOTE] [QUOTE=taipan;25135554]Wth are you talking about?[/QUOTE] I though you guys with a Ph.D in physics could explain it.

[QUOTE=Swebonny;25135749]I though you guys with a Ph.D in physics could explain it.[/QUOTE] More like i dont understand wwtf you are talking about with polarization filters. I use those things on my camera? And they are supposed to let light trough. There is nothing weird about your "problem" [editline]10:10PM[/editline] Wth did my font just change.

[QUOTE=taipan;25135644]Unless there is something driving us from the centre of the universe.[/QUOTE] I remember reading something from an article that scientist were baffled, because something outside our universe was pulling mass away from the center at enormous speeds. Possibly another universe. I don't know if its been disproved tho.

Personally, I think that space sprouted from some sort of superior god-like being(Something dissimilar to god in the bible)

[QUOTE=taipan;25135801]More like i dont understand wwtf you are talking about with polarization filters. I use those things on my camera? And they are supposed to let light trough. There is nothing weird about your "problem" [editline]10:10PM[/editline] Wth did my font just change.[/QUOTE] Do you know how a polarization filter works?

[QUOTE=Ragy;25135809]I remember reading something from an article that scientist were baffled, because something outside our universe was pulling mass away from the center at enormous speeds. Possibly another universe. I don't know if its been disproved tho.[/QUOTE] Well looks int he galaxy there are multiple universes. So if they pull eachother that actually proves my idea of everything pulling everything eventually leading to a ball of mass. [editline]10:12PM[/editline] [QUOTE=Swebonny;25135836]Do you know how a polarization filter works?[/QUOTE] It filters out certain wavelenghts/shapes/angles.

[QUOTE=taipan;25135837]Well looks int he galaxy there are multiple universes. So if they pull eachother that actually proves my idea of everything pulling everything eventually leading to a ball of mass.[/QUOTE] Well can multiple universes join into one? If they ever split apart again, I'm guessing you mean the Big Bang theory, what would separate universes after the explosion?

[QUOTE=Level7;25135826]Personally, I think that space sprouted from some sort of superior god-like being(Something dissimilar to god in the bible)[/QUOTE] To think the universe was created from nothing, by a god. Is contradicting on themselves. And if the universe was nothing, and god mode it. God is nothing, therefor, god doesn't exist. And I don't think god was able to live in a 0 Kelvin environment thats in a vacuum either.

[QUOTE=taipan;25135837] It filters out certain wavelenghts/shapes.[/QUOTE] Yeah something like that. It filters out the wave direction of light. So instead of the transversal wave going up and down in all directions. It only allows a wave from one direction. The wavelenght is the same. Anyhow I just found a video showing it. [media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZudziPffS9E[/media] Really off topic, BUT it's mindfucky!

[QUOTE=taipan;25135801] There is nothing weird about your "problem" [/QUOTE] Yes, there is everything weird about it, for a long time it was an extremely big unexplained mystery in physics. The problem is this - one polarisation filter only lets horizontally polarised light through. A second only lets vertically polarised light through. Put one on top of the other, it expectedly lets no light through, because both vertical and horizontal light is blocked. However, if you put a filter between them that only lets diagonally polarised light through, somehow it lets light through again, even though it's now blocking light three times, and each filter is only letting light through at an angle that would be blocked by one of the other two filters. It's a mystery and I don't know the answer, but there is an explaination in Quantum Mechanics somewhere.

[QUOTE=Ragy;25135881]Well can multiple universes join into one? If they ever split apart again, I'm guessing you mean the Big Bang theory, what would separate universes after the explosion?[/QUOTE] have you ever spilled water on a greasy surface? You the water creates bubbles and doesnt flow evenly over the surface. (While this is caused by surface tension its how i imagine gravity would work to) When the big bang occured all mass in there got thrown out into space and started cluttering together in many different solar systems and universes. Even a small cncentration of mass could cause the surrounding mass to be attracted to it and form a universe. If this happened all over the big bang you get a lot of mass concentrations (now universes) These mass concentrations fly outward due to the force of the big bang until they pull their recieve from neighbouring universes is almost non existant and they start forming mass concetrations again in the universe making solar systems, stars and planets.

[QUOTE=Richard Simmons;25135920]To think the universe was created from nothing, by a god. Is contradicting on themselves. And if the universe was nothing, and god mode it. God is nothing, therefor, god doesn't exist. And I don't think god was able to live in a 0 Kelvin environment thats in a vacuum either.[/QUOTE] "stuff cant come from nothing! god made the universe!" where did god come from then? <- this is contradiction simmons means

[QUOTE=Neon-Knight;25136003]Yes, there is everything weird about it, for a long time it was an extremely big unexplained mystery in physics. The problem is this - one polarisation filter only lets horizontally polarised light through. A second only lets vertically polarised light through. Put one on top of the other, it expectedly lets no light through, because both vertical and horizontal light is blocked. However, if you put a filter between them that only lets diagonally polarised light through, somehow it lets light through again, even though it's now blocking light three times, and each filter is only letting light through at an angle that would be blocked by one of the other two filters. It's a mystery and I don't know the answer, but there is an explaination in Quantum Mechanics somewhere.[/QUOTE] Thanks, you made my formulation look like from kindergarten :v: We did it during the Physics course today. As TH89 wrote, I just couldn't wrap my mind around it.