Space cant be from nothing.. - General

[QUOTE=MovingSalad;25131526]Stephen Hawking said that for the universe to be constantly expanding, which he believes it to be (through mathematical, and scientific physical evidence and speculation), it must be contained WITHIN something. What that something is has not been established by humans. Yet.[/QUOTE] I bet we're just one atom in another universe.

I believe in the theory that there are Multiple big bangs. There's a limit that our universe reaches before it comes to empty space, but our universe keeps expanding, maybe sometime it will meet up with another big bang that is expanding. So somewhere else out in the empty space there is another big bang expanding and another over there and another over here... and so on.

space came from god, silly :xd:

[QUOTE=taipan;25136032]have you ever spilled water on a greasy surface? You the water creates bubbles and doesnt flow evenly over the surface. (While this is caused by surface tension its how i imagine gravity would work to) When the big bang occured all mass in there got thrown out into space and started cluttering together in many different solar systems and universes. Even a small cncentration of mass could cause the surrounding mass to be attracted to it and form a universe. If this happened all over the big bang you get a lot of mass concentrations (now universes) These mass concentrations fly outward due to the force of the big bang until they pull their recieve from neighbouring universes is almost non existant and they start forming mass concetrations again in the universe making solar systems, stars and planets.[/QUOTE] I'm talking about the barrier of the universe. Where time doesn't exist. The Big Bang theory is not multi-universe, as we have no real evidence of another universe. The Big Bang theory states that all the matter in our universe slowly comes together to one mass and then explodes, restarting the cycle. Not all universes coming together.

[QUOTE=Swebonny;25135977]Yeah something like that. It filters out the wave direction of light. So instead of the transversal wave going up and down in all directions. It only allows a wave from one direction. The wavelenght is the same. Anyhow I just found a video showing it. [URL="http://www.facepunch.com/#"]View YouTUBE video[/URL] [URL]http://youtube.com/watch?v=ZudziPffS9E[/URL] Really off topic, BUT it's mindfucky![/QUOTE] Shródingers Cat. This is a way of getting quantum physics into the understandable realm of Newtonian physics and learns you that you dont need to comprehend quantum physics to use it. [url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Schr%C3%B6dinger%27s_cat[/url] Nobody can claim they understand quantum mechanics because we cannot comprehend that 1 particle can have 2 states at the same time which are undifined until measured and not coherent cause the measurement can change the direction/state of that particle. We have not found a way to measure any quantum particle without disturbing it. (You need to fire something at a phothon to measure its speed but due to that the speed and direction of the photon change) Also weird is that they may fly off in an undifined seemingly random direction. This doesnt mean its 'random' but we just havnt found what causing the direction to change yet. [editline]10:33PM[/editline] [QUOTE=Ragy;25136259]I'm talking about the barrier of the universe. Where time doesn't exist. The Big Bang theory is not multi-universe, as we have no real evidence of another universe. The Big Bang theory states that all the matter in our universe slowly comes together to one mass and then explodes, restarting the cycle. Not all universes coming together.[/QUOTE] Maybe im mixing up universe and galixy here. (english is not my antive language) brb: yes I did. Its Universe-->Galaxy-->Solar system-->Planet. Got universe and galaxy mixed up.

[QUOTE=taipan;25136289]Maybe im mixing up universe and galixy here. (english is not my antive language) brb: yes I did. Its Universe-->Galaxy-->Solar system-->Planet. Got universe and galaxy mixed up.[/QUOTE] No problem. [editline]08:37PM[/editline] [QUOTE=Lexico;25136148]I believe in the theory that there are Multiple big bangs. There's a limit that our universe reaches before it comes to empty space, but our universe keeps expanding, maybe sometime it will meet up with another big bang that is expanding. So somewhere else out in the empty space there is another big bang expanding and another over there and another over here... and so on.[/QUOTE] To our understanding there is nothing outside the universe, no space, time, energy, just nothing.

"Space cant come from nothing that's impossible, god must have made it" "so where did god come from" "nothing" Ergh. Something [I]can [/I]instantaneously arise from [I]nothing[/I]. Before this point no time would have existed, so its creation from nothing would have been instantaneous. The Heisenberg uncertainty principle shows that nothing can't exist, otherwise we'd know with 100% certainty that there was no matter in a location. In reality we could never know this, hence the uncertainty principle. This is how and why virtual particles [I]DO [/I]pop in and out of existence from[I] nothing[/I]. The universe could have arose in exactly the same way.

[QUOTE=Yahnich;25134582]If I recall, recent hypothesises stat that the universe is a torus, which if true, would mean it is kind of an infinite loop, but only in the way a circle is an infinite line.[/QUOTE] If the universe was a torus, it'd be possible to fly through the universe and back to your starting point, dragging a gigantic cable behind you, and then if you tried to pull that cable back to yourself from both ends (so that the loop it forms across the universe tightens) - you couldn't. I think it's been proven that our universe isn't like that, but I'm not sure.

[QUOTE=windwakr;25131649]Any time I think of this stuff, this happens: :psypop: Just learn to deal with not knowing this stuff.[/QUOTE] Yes, let's never question things we are interested about

Don't think about it. Or you might lose your head.

[QUOTE=Swebonny;25135440]Speaking of mindfucks. If you have two polarization filter and place them so that they block each other out. Then place a third one in front of them two, it is possible to let light pass trough at a certain degree. Explain please.[/QUOTE] My physics teacher explained it with vectors. Think of the light's polarization as a vector, when you polarize it vertically |, it has a j-component. Then if you try to immediately polarize it horizontally -, it has no i-component so it won't pass through. However if you first polarize it vertically, |, it has a j-component. Then you polarize it diagonally, /, giving it both an i- and a j-component, and then you polarize it horizontally -, leaving only the i-component.

Space was made because I farted after eating a bag of chips.

[QUOTE=ThePuska;25136591]My physics teacher explained it with vectors. Think of the light's polarization as a vector, when you polarize it vertically |, it has a j-component. Then if you try to immediately polarize it horizontally -, it has no i-component so it won't pass through. However if you first polarize it vertically, |, it has a j-component. Then you polarize it diagonally, /, giving it both an i- and a j-component, and then you polarize it horizontally -, leaving only the i-component.[/QUOTE] Yes but common sense would cause us to think that when the first polarizer removes the horizontal component it cannot be recreated in mid air due to an unpowered filter. Still it iss due to what you said the middle filter creates an i and a j component. [editline]10:50PM[/editline] Im off to bed bytw. Good luck with this.

[QUOTE=ThePuska;25136427]If the universe was a torus, it'd be possible to fly through the universe and back to your starting point, dragging a gigantic cable behind you, and then if you tried to pull that cable back to yourself from both ends (so that the loop it forms across the universe tightens) - you couldn't. I think it's been proven that our universe isn't like that, but I'm not sure.[/QUOTE] I read the possible shapes it could be are a 4D sphere, a 'saddle' shape (like a Pringles crisp) or even a shape like a flat computer screen but with infinite edges (Mathematically called a 3 dimensional torus - though a graphical interpretation of this can be misleading).

[QUOTE=Kade;25136421]"Space cant come from nothing that's impossible, god must have made it" "so where did god come from" "nothing" Ergh. Something [I]can [/I]instantaneously arise from [I]nothing[/I]. Before this point no time would have existed, so its creation from nothing would have been instantaneous. The Heisenberg uncertainty principle shows that nothing can't exist, otherwise we'd know with 100% certainty that there was no matter in a location. In reality we could never know this, hence the uncertainty principle. This is how and why virtual particles [I]DO [/I]pop in and out of existence from[I] nothing[/I]. The universe could have arose in exactly the same way.[/QUOTE] Agree, If I will still go Deeper and Deeper in this question my brain will mindf**k. Really, it gives me strange feeling's now. From [b]Dark Nothing[/b] to some kind of [b]Lightspark(FirstBigBang)[/b]That creates universe. Correct me if im wrong.. [editline]09:02PM[/editline] [b]Not talking about Eleventh Dimension..[/b]

Nothing doesn't exist, "nothing" is the absence of something. Nothing was not created, stuff was created, and "nothing" is only the space in between those bits of something. I for one cant say if any of the given theories of how the universe was created are true or not, because we in truth have no way at all of knowing for sure. While some theories have some good logic behind them, none of them have any definitive proof that makes the theory undeniable. Also, when dealing with things on a massive cosmic scale and with the extremes of cosmic phenomena, the rules that human kind has established as the governing forces of the universe might not even apply. Some very odd and unexpected things can happen. Though when you get into the realm of the fundamental forces of physics, it is all quantum theory. And who says the universe came from nothing? Maybe the matter in our universe has been around for an infinite time span and used to be another universe, and this cycle has been going on for an infinite length of time in the past and will keep going on for an infinite length of time in the future?

[QUOTE=Heres Jonny!;25136140]I bet we're just one atom in another universe.[/QUOTE] Personally, I have a feeling if you really know fundamentals of science, that this universe is an atom. If you look at human behavior, it's either negative or positive. An atom is negatively or positively charged, or neutral. The three human behaviors. We're made up of matter, matter is everything. Therefore everything must be an atom. It's a growing atom, the universe keeps extending, therefore the atom is splitting more and more. But the question is, just as most atoms, when will the universe die?

[QUOTE=showtek;25131504]You cant get [B]something from nothing[/B]. Are we just an ingredient in [B]gods[/B] chemistry set? [/QUOTE] hey genius. if you cant get something from nothing, where did god come from?

[QUOTE=NightmareXx;25137183]hey genius. if you cant get something from nothing, where did god come from?[/QUOTE] Their argument is that God has always been there.

[QUOTE=showtek;25136943]Agree, If I will still go Deeper and Deeper in this question my brain will mindf**k. Really, it gives me strange feeling's now. From [B]Dark Nothing[/B] to some kind of [B]Lightspark(FirstBigBang)[/B]That creates universe. Correct me if im wrong.. [editline]09:02PM[/editline] [B]Not talking about Eleventh Dimension..[/B][/QUOTE] What the fuck[I][/I] are you talking about?

[QUOTE=Regorc's Chest;25134167]Why does the universe have to collapse? Why can't everything spead enough that it escapes everything elses gravotaional pull, and so the universe either stops or floats apart until everything is very isolated. And if the universe does loop round then maybe this happens until everything loops round and meets back in to the middle, therefore ends up [I]accelerating[/I].[/QUOTE] That's dependant upon the value of Omega, the overall density of matter in the universe. If Omega is less than 1, then the universe will continue to expand and ultimately perish in the Big Freeze, where everything becomes too distant to maintain any heat, including the back-ground radiation from the Big Bang. If Omega is exactly 1, then the Universe will eventually stablise and cease expanding or contacting, and presumably remain that way for all infinity. If Omega is greater than one, then it eventually stop accelerating, and begin contracting, ending with the Big Crunch, where I suspect the density of mass and energy will go beyond the Plank temperature, punch through the space-time membrane, and creat a parallel universe with another Big Bang. At present, we estimate the value of Omega to be less than 1.

[QUOTE=Ragy;25137595]Their argument is that God has always been there.[/QUOTE] well in that case the universe could have always been there.

Just take a look at the vast field of modern Astronomy. Only then you will understand, we're dealing with something that flips up your reality. Perhaps the MOST challenging area that Science will ever deal with, everything that has to do with the Cosmos. It's ridiculous to even think; philosophy could deal with the universe. The universe itself presents us with a different reality. Now personally, I still cannot understand the concept of space-time. Saying the space came from nothing, is actually something very logical to say, if you know absolutely nothing about the universe. Aka: Most of us. What I mean to say, if you could have provided real scientific facts to back you up. Your thread title would be correct, but you instead resorted to superstition. Making your thread title - wrong.

[QUOTE=-xxsetshotxx-;25131570]The human mind doesn't have the concept of infinite/forever;[/QUOTE] Yes, yes it does... That is how the theory of a static universe came about...

I think Hawking stated that God wasn't necessary for the creation of the universe that it can spit itself out of nothing. On a side note isn't it constantly expanding outwards due to big bang? If anyone can tell me what fills that up it would be great. Other than that I do believe it can come from nothing, in terms of probabilty its much more believable that a concept of physics created the galaxy. There are already cases of certain Structures that can phase with in out of reality. Therefore I can see it as suddenly appearing.

Whenever I think about it, at the end I just go "Well fuck this" Ignorance is bliss, my boy

[QUOTE=QuickSnapz;25131587][img]http://gyazo.com/1772b666f0fc3d5b1652ec3f1c7baddb.png[/img][/QUOTE] What's that from? I've seen it before..

[QUOTE=TamTamJam;25140248]What's that from? I've seen it before..[/QUOTE] Men in black.

We are all just bugs we are all just something small of something bigger of all this bull crap... ever wonder why we can't fall in space! WE ARE FALLING DAMMIT its just it is slower to us the bigger things (aliens) are just controlling us it's like the Illuminati dammit... Only BIGGER

[QUOTE=EvilShadow777;25136527]Don't think about it. Or you might lose your head.[/QUOTE] Don't think about it if you have an IQ below 60 or you might loose your head. Here are my two theorys, 1. We are a but a mere atom in another universe and that one is an atom in another universe and so on. 2. If you ever heard of "the sims" then you would automatically guess this.