[QUOTE=MakoSkyDub;27789761][highlight]OP[/highlight][/QUOTE]
Morals could be affected by aesthetics where the consequences aren't stopping you.
By consequences I do not mean the direct result of your actions: a couple of dead cockroaches. By consequences I mean the reaction of your context to your action. That is your mom being angry about dead cockroaches lying on the kitchen floor.
However we don't kill cockroaches because they are ugly. We kill cockroaches because we consider them a pest. They are considered dirty and annoying. Seeing cockroaches in your house indicates you don't clean it properly. That angers people (subconsciously), so they kill the cockroaches.
About the example of the moth and the butterfly:
First of all moths can be more creepy than butterflies. It is indeed the visual of the animal that affects behavior, but is it the beauty of the butterfly that does it, or the plain creepiness of a moth?
Image of a moth for reference
[media]http://www.itsnature.org/Ground/Insects/images/article-images/bogong-moth.jpg[/media]
It looks as though they could hurt you like a wasp can, even though they actually can't. The sound they make when they fly also has an effect.
In short: Aesthetics do play a role, however common ideas about certain animals and general creepiness of animals have a huge effect.
I hate butterflies and moths, do I win?
But moths are beautiful.
Indeed, they are, when observing thoroughly, quite beautiful.
I guess the reason why you find a moth to be ugly and a butterfly to be beautiful is a part of instinct and a part what you've been taught by society. Nowadays you have to be skinny/slim to be attractive while in the past it was the exact opposite; fatness was a sign of wealth and fertility(this was desireable for the female sex).
As a man you were supposed to be a bit hairy, masculine and muscled, nowadays you have to be a skinny fuck that has such skinny legs with barely any quads on it to wear those skinny jeans, be bald everywhere but your head and have the appearance of an eleven year old boy.
[QUOTE=johan_sm;27791621]But moths are beautiful.[/QUOTE]
This moth is pleased:
[img]http://www.grit.com/uploadedImages/GRT/blogs/KC/Moth.jpg[/img]
Hey look another thread about a guy wanting to expunge his emotions.
I think moths look cool, why would you want to hurt a moth?
(I bet you someone going to post a giant image of a moth's ugly head just to get funnies now.)
[QUOTE=Bftony;27791816]Indeed, they are, when observing thoroughly, quite beautiful.
I guess the reason why you find a moth to be ugly and a butterfly to be beautiful is a part of instinct and a part what you've been taught by society. Nowadays you have to be skinny/slim to be attractive while in the past it was the exact opposite; fatness was a sign of wealth and fertility(this was desireable for the female sex).
As a man you were supposed to be a bit hairy, masculine and muscled, nowadays you have to be a skinny fuck that has such skinny legs with barely any quads on it to wear those skinny jeans, be bald everywhere but your head and have the appearance of an eleven year old boy.[/QUOTE]
Actually I was never given a crash course on why moths are bad as a kid or anything. Just instinctively don't like close proximity to them. Also in what period, exactly, was being fat considered the height of attractiveness? Humans can't alter their hormones in a few generations like that, I call bullshit.
Also you're just describing one fashion trait for skinny male teens from the last couple of years. That is not the standard by which females set attractiveness at all. Being masculine and toned still counts for as much as it ever did. Your views are very flawed and warped, obviously, by personal distaste.
Eleven year old boy my ass.
[QUOTE=Canuhearme?;27791878]Hey look another thread about a guy wanting to expunge his emotions.[/QUOTE]
Well [i]excuse me[/i], princess.
Butterflies are harmless, cockroaches are disease ridden bastards that shit on your food
[QUOTE=MakoSkyDub;27792021] Also in what period, exactly, was being fat considered the height of attractiveness?
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Art inspired from the obvious:
[img]http://holyspiritlibrary.pbworks.com/f/1222037320/pastoral%20concert.jpg[/img]
Moar NSFW:
[url]http://kr.blog.yahoo.com/minium3926/892890.html%3Fp%3D1%26t%3D2[/url]
[IMG]http://www.microscope-microscope.org/gallery/Kenn/Best%20Butterfly.jpg[/IMG]
This is a butterfly, OP. You were saying?
[QUOTE=Herb;27792173][img_thumb]http://www.microscope-microscope.org/gallery/Kenn/Best%20Butterfly.jpg[/img_thumb]
This is a butterfly, OP. You were saying?[/QUOTE]
Aww :3:
[img]http://www.markville.ss.yrdsb.edu.on.ca/projects/classof2008/chong2/cornwell/fat%20lady.jpg[/img]
Or this one. This was a symbol to fertility also known as the woman goddess.
[QUOTE=ThePuska;27791469]They will pull away their arm because being electrocuted is unpleasant. It's not a forced muscle contraction. Those things don't have capacitors that'd take 10 minutes to charge.[/QUOTE]
Over exaggeration but by use of a transformer 1200 v at 5mA of dc would make you're arm jump. They take about 2 seconds to charge the caps.
Well, for me it doesn't really depend on the color, but rather on the number of legs and/or other limbs.
And it depends on size a lot, if things like a spider or a bug have the right size, they don't scare me anymore.
I think moths are cool.
I only hate cockroaches and spiders
Both of them just invade your house and annoy you
OP is so sophisticated and beyond measurable mutual intrigue, he's so openly poetic and philosophical that one must blindly take his word as just.
Wait, no. It's another kid who thinks they're deep.
[QUOTE=BANNED USER;27792303][b]*Poorly thought-out bait*[/b][/QUOTE]
Gee, that looks tasty, I should bite it.
You should, it's only 320 calories and 8g of fat.
When I see any sort of bug I usually react in the same way, which is gain distance (back up, rotate head, etc.) then observe and appreciate. Natural instinct has been re-written by logic.
I think the reason Moths are frightening to humans is not only because of their usually unappealing looks but also their Flight Patterns, which are different than a Butterfly's. Butterflies move at a slow pace with rhythmic beats of their wings, while Moths are spasmotic and quick. This difference is caused by Moths being nocturnal, they need to be able to make snap movements away from predators like bats.
The last thing is simply difference in color and vibrancy. We appreciate the Butterfly not because it looks pretty, but because it's interesting to the eye. It moves quickly and is brightly colored, similar to a television almost. A moth is just a brightly colored smear on our vision, making us less interested and more reminiscent of a normal fly or other pest.
We think animals like kittens and puppies are cute because cats and dogs were companions to people for really long. Cockroaches, rats, moths and other animals and bugs that people consider "ugly" are pests that ruin our property and food.
That's the reason why we like some species and hate other ones.
[editline]1st February 2011[/editline]
And pretending to be amoral on forums doesn't make you badass.
Starting these "philosophic" threads doesnt make you look smart either.
I've been thinking on this same subject, lately. I've been thinking about how awful I was to another student during high school. I bullied him, there's no dressing it up. I never hit him or pushed him around or threatened him, but I treated him like less than a person based wholly on my perception of him. I'm ashamed of that now, but there's no changing what's done. I was just another stupid kid in a pack of stupid kids who ragged on the poor guy for the way he looked and acted, for seeming revolting when really he was just unlucky.
I wish I'd had the benefit of even a few more years' experience back then, and maybe I might have made that kid's life a little bit easier.
[QUOTE=MakoSkyDub;27789761]
Now if I apply this thinking to cockroaches, which I kill in any number of horrendous ways when I see them, I have to ask whether I deserve to be an intelligent being put in a position to play god with these little fuckers, when I might think about them in a completely different way if they had shiny blue carapaces or something.
What say you?[/QUOTE]
It's an extension of the "kill-or-be-killed" mechanism. You're killing the cockroach to make your life better, because you've been taught that cockroaches = disease. Also, killing things isn't "playing god". You've killed millions of things in your lifetime without you being aware of it. Ending life really isn't that significant.
In fact, nothing is really "playing god".
When it comes to bugs I treat them as individuals from another country. My room is my territory. It's a no fly zone. Air shows are allowed (anything fun to watch) but any shows of force (bees, hornets, wasps) shall be killed on sight. Only daddy long legs and harvest(man?) spiders are allowed in my area. Others shall be chased outside.. or smashed upon not cooperating. This is due to a treaty being broken after one ran across my hands and keyboard. I let it live.. I woke up the next morning with bites on my stomach.
But to be honest you do have a point. Sometimes things are influenced by silly things.
[QUOTE=MakoSkyDub;27789761]My question is more or less, do you have a shallow set of morals ingrained in you that you don't often question, with reference to a couple of specific examples.
If I see a butterfly (of any size) flutter past me, I will admire it or think nothing of it. But if I see a big ugly brown moth coming along, I'll step away to avoid it, and bat it away if it comes near me. I would keep still if a butterfly landed on me. Butterflies and moths are essentially identical, which suggests there's an irrational mechanism in my head that makes me revulse from things that look (I suppose) dirty or hairy or ugly etc.
Now if I apply this thinking to cockroaches, which I kill in any number of horrendous ways when I see them, I have to ask whether I deserve to be an intelligent being put in a position to play god with these little fuckers, when I might think about them in a completely different way if they had shiny blue carapaces or something.
What say you?[/QUOTE]
Well butterflies don't break into my house. That's the thing that bugs me most about moths. Since they're attracted to light they just love coming into houses. I probably wouldn't care if it were outside of the comfort of my home. And also, cockroaches are just pests and eat my shit.
But I see what you're getting at here.
man, fuck moths
they eat holes in your clothes
[editline]1st February 2011[/editline]
also: fat people were attractive because it meant you could bear children really well, and could feed them
Evolution has tought us what is dangerous and what is not.
We have been tought to see danger in combination with uglyness and dirtyness, this prevents us from alot of deseases and things that could hurt us.
[QUOTE=fritzel;27791379]Strategic dismemberment.[/QUOTE]
An industrial sized mosquito tennis racket should be in the next Dead Space
I'm not really a fan of butterflies, but I won't smash one if it flies by me. I prefer moths, I just find them far more interesting.
[QUOTE=Treybuchet;27794462]man, fuck moths
they eat holes in your clothes[/QUOTE]
Only certain moth larvae feed on cloth, other than that they don't do much to your clothing.
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