What caused dog-eating? - General

It's considered bad because of the "my culture is superior to yours" complex Sure you can eat meat, but only the kind of meat that [I]me and my people[/I] eat!

I don't eat animals that have a consciousness or that are aware of their own existence, and animals that I form an emotional bond with with, it doesn't matter what animal but If I have an emotional bond with it, I'm obviously not going to eat it. Animals that don't a have a purpose and don't have a consciousness are just organic machines. You could say then "what about people that aren't conscious?, or never had a consciousness to begin with, why don't we eat them?" it would still be a taboo because that person still resembles a human and cannibalism etc...

What caused cow-eating? What caused pig-eating? What caused anteater-eating? (I'm sure it was done). Although I DO agree with the majority of the world: Dogs have already been domesticated, so why eat them? It's like betrayal :(

south koreans

The OP is actually from Hong Kong, I've seen him around. I think he just needs to lurk a bit more.

[QUOTE=elevate;44380920]The OP is actually from Hong Kong, I've seen him around. I think he just needs to lurk a bit more.[/QUOTE] When and where did you see me, lol.

[QUOTE=amentothatt;44381373]When and where did you see me, lol.[/QUOTE] Not in real life, I mean on this forum.

[QUOTE=elevate;44381385]Not in real life, I mean on this forum.[/QUOTE] No you can't judge where I am from simply based on my standpoints.

dude, we all know you're on windows XP judging from your standpoints

carne es carne sometimes when you live in certain situations, when meat comes by you just gotta accept it for what it is and take it. i mean, that or you can starve and die, but at least you'll starve and die as a man of principles right?

Uh, there really is a much more specific and anthropological answer to this question, and it has nothing to do with morality or ethics, although currently that is the primary driving force behind the western disgust at eating dogs. In the Fertile Crescent, and neighboring regions, animals like cattle, horses, sheep, and goats, were domesticated and traded rather early on. Dogs were also domesticated, but they proved incredibly useful for hunting and herding; combine that with the fact that they were one of the first animals domesticated, and you have an animal that Eurasians had no reason to eat, and every reason to keep alive. However, large domesticated animals didn't really exist in the south-eastern areas of Eurasia and in the entirety of the Americas. As such, these regions were forced, as dogs could not move plows or hunt in the thick jungles, to eat dogs as we would any other domesticated animal. In these regions, the perks of using dogs was less than the perks of simply eating them. Now pair that with thousands of years of co-evolution, and dogs became a "man's best friend" culturally in the western world, as we had animals that provided more utility for food. South-eastern Eurasia cuisine was primarily founded upon seafood, a few plants like taro and later sweet potato, and whatever hunted animals (there weren't many) that they could find. Now eventually, domesticated animals such as cattle, would be introduced into these regions, but for varying reasons, it took time, and these animals were not nearly as productive in these areas due to geographical concerns. Although eating dogs isn't required to sustain life now, the cultures there have no qualms with it, as they, historically, never saw dogs as pets or friends the way western Eurasian culture did. The same happened in South America as well, wherein they ate turkeys and dogs, but to a much lesser extent; we don't hear about it too often because said cultures integrated with European conquerors rapidly, whereas south-eastern Eurasian culture did not.

[QUOTE=amentothatt;44357293]Just now I watched a set of pics showing a greenmarket in Indonesia, where dogs are being sold for food. I've been thinking about this for a long time and wanted to discuss it here with you guys. 1. underdevelped animal husbandry. I 've noticed those people who eat dogs are all living in countries where agriculture are not that fully developed. For instance, China, Thailand, Indonesia, South Korea and African countries. Mutton and beef are not produced in large scale and very expensive so that people started off seeking a substitute, which is dog. Because dogs are not picky, they eat people's leftovers and grow big enough to be slaughtered for food. I don't think Australians and Argentineans eat dogs. 2. influence of traditional medicine. For instance, dog meat, in traditional Chinese medicine, is described as very nutritious and "dabu". Dabu is used to describe something that is very "yang" and can make you last longer in intercourse if you eat them. People are actually deceived into eating something dabu but may actually less nutritious than pork or beef. The more superstitious people are, the more likely they will be to eat whatever that is claimed to be good for health. This is actually substantiated. In Peking or Shanghai, people don't eat dog at all, whereas in some underdeveloped provinces such as Guangxi, Guizhou, people eat dogs to improve their health. A couple of years ago, a Taiwanese buisnessman sold dead babes and fetuses to restaurants to cook the babe soup, which was like 800 USD per table and claimed to be extremely dabu. Now guys, share your thoughts with me. What else do you think engendered dog eating.[/QUOTE] Well, to be completely honest we could prepare and eat pretty much [i]every[/i] and [i]any[/i] type of meat there is.. We could process and mix 'em all up into a tasty paste and serve entire populations. We just have to be smart about it.. I guess. And when you speak of these Peking or Shanghai people who don't eat dogs, who do you think are more wasteful regards to food: the poorer or the richer? [editline]29th March 2014[/editline] I don't consider eating dogs a bad thing, no way. It's eating, everyone has to eat. In cases of extreme necessity, beloved cats and birds won't live long either in a city full of hungry people. And you wonder what caused dog-eating..?

[QUOTE=Winner;44357601]I think a better question is why people stopped eating dogs they're animals just like cows or pigs or sheep, what's actually wrong with eating them?[/QUOTE] Because they look cute and most people would take it as barbaric to slaughter such a being. Not me though. I eat everything, as long as it consists of meat. Hell, if we wouldn't be able to buy it in a supermarket I'd even go out there and take that chicken down myself.

[QUOTE=Padgoi;44361206]Why has no one else mentioned that . . . you spelled businessman wrong?[/QUOTE] [URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zhu_Yu_%28artist%29"]Because it was an avant-garde art installation and they weren't really fetuses.[/URL] [editline]30th March 2014[/editline] I hear camel is pretty good meat as well

[QUOTE=Strider_07;44400216][URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zhu_Yu_%28artist%29"]Because it was an avant-garde art installation and they weren't really fetuses.[/URL] [editline]30th March 2014[/editline] I hear camel is pretty good meat as well[/QUOTE] Camel, Horse and Ostrich is quite nice, the last is pretty much like beefy chicken if you cook it long enough.

[QUOTE=Reagy;44404653]Camel, Horse and Ostrich is quite nice, the last is pretty much like beefy chicken if you cook it long enough.[/QUOTE] I always wanted to taste horse. My mother never bought any horsemeat though, she thinks horses shouldn't be devoured.

[QUOTE=Winner;44357601]I think a better question is why people stopped eating dogs they're animals just like cows or pigs or sheep, what's actually wrong with eating them?[/QUOTE] they're also not even as smart as pigs or cats

I thought the general rule was that we don't eat carnivores.

Imagine cannibal dogs eating hot dogs

[QUOTE=SirDavid255;44362628]What caused chicken eating? What caused pig eating, toad, rabbit or snail eating?[/QUOTE] people eat toad? yucky

malicious cats

[QUOTE=Bat-shit;44391239] And when you speak of these Peking or Shanghai people who don't eat dogs, who do you think are more wasteful regards to food: the poorer or the richer? [editline]29th March 2014[/editline] [/QUOTE] No man, you didn't get me. It has nothing to do with being rich or poor. What counts is people's average education level in certain areas. Relatively, people in Peking and Shanghai have a higher education. Then, back to my topic, they are much less superstitious and disinclined to eat dogs. Lol.

[QUOTE=Winner;44357601]I think a better question is why people stopped eating dogs they're animals just like cows or pigs or sheep, what's actually wrong with eating them?[/QUOTE] From a practical standpoint, they're trained as a companion animal (for hunting, guarding cattle, or just being your bro) and they excel at that, so generally you should only eat your dog when it becomes necessary to survive, and that rarely happens nowadays. That's at least my thought on it, I think it's a waste of an animal that's better suited for other purposes than being eaten. That aside, I don't think there's really a reason not to eat a dog. [editline]3rd April 2014[/editline] [QUOTE=Loriborn;44385338]Uh, there really is a much more specific and anthropological answer to this question, and it has nothing to do with morality or ethics, although currently that is the primary driving force behind the western disgust at eating dogs. In the Fertile Crescent, and neighboring regions, animals like cattle, horses, sheep, and goats, were domesticated and traded rather early on. Dogs were also domesticated, but they proved incredibly useful for hunting and herding; combine that with the fact that they were one of the first animals domesticated, and you have an animal that Eurasians had no reason to eat, and every reason to keep alive. However, large domesticated animals didn't really exist in the south-eastern areas of Eurasia and in the entirety of the Americas. As such, these regions were forced, as dogs could not move plows or hunt in the thick jungles, to eat dogs as we would any other domesticated animal. In these regions, the perks of using dogs was less than the perks of simply eating them. Now pair that with thousands of years of co-evolution, and dogs became a "man's best friend" culturally in the western world, as we had animals that provided more utility for food. South-eastern Eurasia cuisine was primarily founded upon seafood, a few plants like taro and later sweet potato, and whatever hunted animals (there weren't many) that they could find. Now eventually, domesticated animals such as cattle, would be introduced into these regions, but for varying reasons, it took time, and these animals were not nearly as productive in these areas due to geographical concerns. Although eating dogs isn't required to sustain life now, the cultures there have no qualms with it, as they, historically, never saw dogs as pets or friends the way western Eurasian culture did. The same happened in South America as well, wherein they ate turkeys and dogs, but to a much lesser extent; we don't hear about it too often because said cultures integrated with European conquerors rapidly, whereas south-eastern Eurasian culture did not.[/QUOTE] Oh shit here's my post but written much better :v:

[QUOTE=Winner;44357601]I think a better question is why people stopped eating dogs they're animals just like cows or pigs or sheep, what's actually wrong with eating them?[/QUOTE] Because in the west the Dog is seen as not an animal for consumption but an animal to be cared for and loved. It's just a western value.

I think the prime thing is just cultural differences. the other prospect to look at is sustainability. i mean look at things such as Goats and Pigs, the former can stomach things such as grass and general things whilst the latter needs more to consume but their diet is more robust. don't think people can milk pigs though.... There's also things such as geography and money costs, and maybe how long it takes for an animal to grow to a substantial size for processing. i mean if you're far away from any civilization and stuff such as machinery and glass are expensive, chances are people are going to go for more robust but surviving animals....like dogs. it takes how long for cows, 3 months? 10 months? and how many newborn cattle can be born per cow? then there's daily food intake... Would there even be cattle in China? surely there must be some regional variance in animals, for all we know Cows could be extremely rare there before the world became more developed with things like ships and whatever, animal medicine has probably advanced as well which helps with maintenance and improving living conditions for them. Infrastructure might even play a part in it as well, how well would people be utilizing the land? how about irrigation...assuming it's sloped, do native plants grow sufficiently compared to imported crops?

[QUOTE=Plucky;44437502]I think the prime thing is just cultural differences. the other prospect to look at is sustainability. i mean look at things such as Goats and Pigs, the former can stomach things such as grass and general things whilst the latter needs more to consume but their diet is more robust. don't think people can milk pigs though.... There's also things such as geography and money costs, and maybe how long it takes for an animal to grow to a substantial size for processing. i mean if you're far away from any civilization and stuff such as machinery and glass are expensive, chances are people are going to go for more robust but surviving animals....like dogs. it takes how long for cows, 3 months? 10 months? and how many newborn cattle can be born per cow? then there's daily food intake... Would there even be cattle in China? surely there must be some regional variance in animals, for all we know Cows could be extremely rare there before the world became more developed with things like ships and whatever, animal medicine has probably advanced as well which helps with maintenance and improving living conditions for them. Infrastructure might even play a part in it as well, how well would people be utilizing the land? how about irrigation...assuming it's sloped, do native plants grow sufficiently compared to imported crops?[/QUOTE] You can milk any mammal if you try hard enough, it's a question of whether or not what comes out is palatable to people.

[QUOTE=Reagy;44404653]Camel is quite nice[/QUOTE] I can attest to this, It's like salty and sort of like mutton.

Well, doge is meat. Much yum so flavour

There's actually very specific 'livestock' breeds of dog in the countries that eat them. They do NOT eat breeds that people typically keep as pets and that's considered taboo. [editline]3rd April 2014[/editline] [QUOTE=seano12;44436740]Because in the west the Dog is seen as not an animal for consumption but an animal to be cared for and loved. It's just a western value.[/QUOTE] It's definitely not considering how you can legally eat dog in some parts of Europe, dogs you eat and dogs you keep as pets are completely divided, and chinese buddhism is really fucking against eating dogs is it a value that western countries holds? for the most part yes. Is is exclusive/originated in the west? fuck no. [editline]3rd April 2014[/editline] [QUOTE=matt000024;44375115]Humans have used dogs for work for a long time. Why eat them unless absolutely necessary? Dogs also are pretty fucking smart for an animal. Know people who even have had dogs save them. Eating them would be like eating a dolphin, ape, or elephant.[/QUOTE] and we've eaten them for longer, dogs aren't nearly as smart as the three animals you listed either and pigs are supposedly smarter than dogs but we eat those

[QUOTE=matt000024;44375115]elephant.[/QUOTE] I wonder what elephant tastes like...?