Crossdressing & Transgender & A̲L̲L̲I̲E̲S̲ Discussion v. Thread Reassignment Surgery - General

My appointment is coming up on Tuesday! I'm so excited, but also fucking terrified!

[QUOTE=gtanoofa;53048969]A dude i used to hang out with just randomly messaged me on whatsapp when i had never talked to him there and i only recently changed my profile pic as what i look like now, so he probably saw it. I deleted the text box and changed some settings in my confusion and panic. Dealing with people who knew you pre-hrt is kinda not what i want tbh ¯\_(ツ)_/¯[/QUOTE] that sucks, I deleted a million people off facebook before I came out on there and recently one of the people from my high school tried to add me, so they all probably know now I wish I could just... not have that happen

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I got a referral to a hospital from the gender clinic, regarding laser hair removal stuffs. The doctor wrote me a note that authorizes me to have 5 "free" laser clinic visits (hospital pays 200e per visit, any extra fees will come out of my pocket), and I went to the laser clinic, but the first appointment I have is 2 months from now, and I have no clue when I can get a second appointment - soon after the first one, or +2 months after it... :huh: I don't mind waiting some months for this, I've been waiting for +5 years now to start hormone treatment, but I really fucking hate not knowing at [I]all[/I] when I [I]might[/I] be getting along with this. Just constantly being put into a waiting limbo feels frustrating as hell.

[QUOTE=gtanoofa;53048969]A dude i used to hang out with just randomly messaged me on whatsapp when i had never talked to him there and i only recently changed my profile pic as what i look like now, so he probably saw it. I deleted the text box and changed some settings in my confusion and panic. Dealing with people who knew you pre-hrt is kinda not what i want tbh ¯\_(ツ)_/¯[/QUOTE] I've always told people stuff about privacy and how I generally dislike Facebook, but stuff like this is like the biggest reason why I don't have a Facebook account.

I learned yesterday that not only does my doctor not want me to start any t-blockers (after 4 months) but apparently he wanted me taking two 2mg pills of estradiol a day and not 1 twice a day even though I was initially told the latter. I thought maybe I misunderstood the directions printed on my pill container so I said sorry and acted like I was at fault but nope, when I got home, sure enough the label said to be taking only 1 twice a day. End meeeeeee

Hi I'm trans. Looking foreward to posting in this thread. Just wondering though why is ALLIES in the thread title underligned but the other words aren't?

[QUOTE=Butthurter;53049861]probably to denote that this thread isnt a place to debate about the morality of transitioning from the anti-trans folks? idk[/QUOTE] [QUOTE=umbrae_shines;53049830]Hi I'm trans. Looking foreward to posting in this thread. Just wondering though why is ALLIES in the thread title underligned but the other words aren't?[/QUOTE] [URL]https://facepunch.com/showthread.php?t=1485279&p=51282464&viewfull=1#post51282464[/URL] It starts at this point, read on from that post. TL;DR there was a little bit of a kerfluffle awhile ago and a mod decided to edit the title.

Idk seems like taking the thread hostage or something. Making ALLIES the most important word in the thread title when the thread is meant for trans ppl. Don't know though.

Can you underline all the words?

[QUOTE=umbrae_shines;53049874]Idk seems like taking the thread hostage or something. Making ALLIES the most important word in the thread title when the thread is meant for trans ppl. Don't know though.[/QUOTE] It made sense then, at the very least. [QUOTE=umbrae_shines;53049891]Can you underline all the words?[/QUOTE] I mean at that point you'd just want to remove the underline entirely instead of making a weird looking thread title

To make them all equal. Seems silly otherwise

Allies aren't bad at all. They're incredibly important. What's bad is 'allies' that demand to be part of the 'in-group' and demand participation trophies while not really doing anything. Bonus points if they're only around for sexual reasons. I think a lot of people in the LGBT community are wary and distrustful of potential allies because of poor experiences with them. It's not really for me to say whether that wariness is justified overall or not. I don't mind that the thread's title has ALLIES in caps and underlined because it's emphasizing the fact that this isn't a closed space, it's open for discussion. (On this topic though - I can't bring myself to like LGBTQIAA because of the last letter being Allies. I agree with including them in certain spaces, but somehow it feels wrong to have allies in The Acronym.)

I don't see allies as a label anyhow, so no issue with not being an acronym. Unless I misunderstand the term, I just figured it was tolerant/supportive people but I have seen the term be used like they're supposed to be militant issue fighters/political pawns before, so I'm not entirely sure. I think I prefer the former, but maybe it's more "friends" than "allies"?

[QUOTE=VenomousBeetle;53050749]I don't see allies as a label anyhow, so no issue with not being an acronym. Unless I misunderstand the term, I just figured it was tolerant/supportive people but I have seen the term be used like they're supposed to be militant issue fighters/political pawns before, so I'm not entirely sure. I think I prefer the former, but maybe it's more "friends" than "allies"?[/QUOTE] That's the issue, disagreement of what allies are supposed to do. Are you just a good friend? If you're an accepting person who knows no LGBT people, are you an ally? Do you have to go to all the rallies and marches to earn the title? Who knows?

Yeah I think some people have higher standards and do a lot of gatekeeping, which I consider a bit detrimental

ayy lmao my doctor took me off of the spiro and 2mg of estradiol i was self medding with and put me on 0.5mg estradiol/day and a lupron injection (???) once every 3 weeks and i need to see my other doctor to get the injection and im not on spiro so until i can get to my doctors for an appointment i have literally no anti androgen which could be weeks so yay and im dysphoric as shit

I know I already said I don't think an A for allies should be tossed onto the acronym, but gating them from being a part of the community seems a little cold to me

[QUOTE=ScarehGhoost;53051096]ayy lmao my doctor took me off of the spiro and 2mg of estradiol i was self medding with and put me on 0.5mg estradiol/day and a lupron injection (???) once every 3 weeks and i need to see my other doctor to get the injection and im not on spiro so until i can get to my doctors for an appointment i have literally no anti androgen which could be weeks so yay and im dysphoric as shit[/QUOTE] From what I hear, lupron is a much, much better drug than spiro.

[QUOTE=Sega Saturn;53051156]From what I hear, lupron is a much, much better drug than spiro.[/QUOTE] thats what ive heard too but i gotta be off anything for like a week at least

[QUOTE=The golden;53051024]Yes. Allies make up a huge part of my support network and I love having them around to help out and give their support but specific LGBTQIA+ spaces are not for them. They are helping the community - not within it.[/QUOTE] That's pretty much exactly what my thoughts are, but I worded it like a monkey with a typewriter.

[QUOTE=Clovis;53051348]I really don't understand how anyone in the trans community can be so exclusionary towards allies and/or anyone else, especially considering the entire premise of transitioning is to kind of (for lack of a better word) relieve the disgust you feel from dysphoria. You feel like you dont belong anywhere, and you know how horrible it is, so why cast out people who want to help? Especially when you need all the help you can get? I don't get it. If you're excluding allies you're just shooting yourself in the foot really [editline]14th January 2018[/editline] Also, for someone like myself, I'm still figuring out of i'm trans or not. I'm so supportive for everyone, but if it turned out i never transitioned or anything, and I technically wasnt trans, then does that make all of my support and beliefs up until that day invalid? No. Exclusion sucks regardless. I'm sure I'm not the only person here who's experienced exclusion, especially back in school days[/QUOTE] I'll happily exclude anybody who isn't good for me or my environment. The danger lies in excluding groups of people.

I don't think Clovis means on a personal level, just pre-emptive. Obviously if someone is harmful to you it's ok to push them away if they show no remorse

aren't allies just people who are respectful towards the LGBT-community and thats it? like any sensible person is?

[QUOTE=Lollipoopdeck;53047228]I didn't really show a lot of signs when I was younger, other than the occasional crossdressing and playing with makeup I did do a lot of 'boyish' stuff do, climbing trees, judo and even now that I'm out and transitioning I'm not like suddenly super fem (altho I wish I had the confidence to be more and I'm insanely jealous of girls who can go from one to the other) like I empathise and sympathise with you so much, especially on the "can you do __ and not be trans/ do trans people ever ___" front, I found my self getting to the point of asking 'Would someone who isn't trans ever even question this?' If you haven't this might be worth a [URL="https://freethoughtblogs.com/nataliereed/2013/03/17/how-do-i-know-if-im-trans/"]read.[/URL] Also on the mental health side of things, I suffer from depression/anxiety, more so the depression as well as gender dysphoria and although my transition is slow my general mood and stability has increased ten fold. I went from someone who had a few 'freinds' who smoked weed basically all day everyday, dropped out of college and got close to the edge to someone who might not have any real friends but can find it easy to socialise and hold down a job and actually wake up motivated and have goals I want to achieve. Don't get me wrong I get days that are absolute garbage where I just want to light up a PHAT joint and smoke it all away but I've actually started writing my thoughts down in a journal in hopes that getting them 'out' will help and so far it really has /end sorry for the garbage grammar, I'm just back from work and I'm really tired but I wish you all the best from the bottom of my heart, I'll answer any questions you've got if I can! also there is a discord if don't know, I'm sure someone can link you if you'd like![/QUOTE] thank you so much for that article. I think I read it before somewhere but forgot about it, [url=https://freethoughtblogs.com/nataliereed/2012/11/06/on-detransition/]this one[/url] by the same person is really good as well. just reading it again provided me with a lot of relief, especially the stuff about gender identity/dysphoria etc. I'm feeling much calmer about the whole thing for the moment. I have some really neat ideas for work and I've been energised thinking about them today instead of falling into a depression again also I'm on the discord thanks!

so I've been on hormones for about three months, with my followup appointment with my endo in two days I'm excited to talk to her, since even if there hasn't really been any super noticeable physical changes, I've been feeling a lot better about myself lately, like a huge weight's off my shoulders. it's so much easier for me to make myself do stuff, yknow?

[QUOTE=Turnips5;53052099]thank you so much for that article. I think I read it before somewhere but forgot about it, [url=https://freethoughtblogs.com/nataliereed/2012/11/06/on-detransition/]this one[/url] by the same person is really good as well. just reading it again provided me with a lot of relief, especially the stuff about gender identity/dysphoria etc. I'm feeling much calmer about the whole thing for the moment. I have some really neat ideas for work and I've been energised thinking about them today instead of falling into a depression again also I'm on the discord thanks![/QUOTE] np buddy~!

I don't get why me asking a question about why allies are the MOST important part of the title for the trans safe space thread, turned into a discussion about allies being EXCLUDED from safe spaces/acronyms etc. There's no problem with allies being excluded here right now.

[QUOTE=umbrae_shines;53053060]I don't get why me asking a question about why allies are the MOST important part of the title for the trans safe space thread, turned into a discussion about allies being EXCLUDED from safe spaces/acronyms etc. There's no problem with allies being excluded here right now.[/QUOTE] This thread stopped trying to be a safe space when it was moved to General Discussion and could therefore be seen by unregistered users. Just saying.

[QUOTE=umbrae_shines;53053060]I don't get why me asking a question about why allies are the MOST important part of the title for the trans safe space thread, turned into a discussion about allies being EXCLUDED from safe spaces/acronyms etc. There's no problem with allies being excluded here right now.[/QUOTE] Because it's not about allies being most important. It was underlined to remind people that allies are not to be excluded because people [i]were[/i] trying to exclude them.