Crossdressing & Transgender & A̲L̲L̲I̲E̲S̲ Discussion v. Thread Reassignment Surgery - General

[QUOTE=Qaus;49640966]useful blog but some of these feel a bit forced? [editline]30th January 2016[/editline] what the hell is this even [t]http://i.imgur.com/4YlleNh.jpg[/t] [editline]30th January 2016[/editline] that's a complete 180° in interpretation[/QUOTE] Well all but that one I guess. lol

[QUOTE=Qaus;49640966]useful blog but some of these feel a bit forced? [editline]30th January 2016[/editline] what the hell is this even [t]http://i.imgur.com/4YlleNh.jpg[/t] [editline]30th January 2016[/editline] that's a complete 180° in interpretation[/QUOTE] i think since its the last one its just like a summary one.... or something

i mean, maybe if that one wasn't out of context or in a vacuum it could be interpreted as a load of garbage all you have to do is at "but" at the end. but there's no "but". [editline]30th January 2016[/editline] [t]http://i.imgur.com/o96GxZW.jpg[/t] this one is kinda the opposite, it's only offensive in a vacuum. in the most likely case it's probably implied to mean "to my knowledge" which is a completely valid opinion. [editline]30th January 2016[/editline] these though: [t]http://i.imgur.com/0bdLEQk.jpg[/t][t]http://i.imgur.com/hoKlaiR.jpg[/t] definitely need to be made known to anyone/everyone as big no-no's

[img]http://40.media.tumblr.com/b493ae3a37428a334d3c880fa130c9c5/tumblr_o1s2ci0eqL1rctihmo8_1280.jpg[/img] I think this one is bullshit. If you have known someone for so long and they are transitioning, it IS hard to switch. You can't go from knowing someone for years to suddenly always remembering/instinctively switching every way you refer to them without a name in an instant. It is habit, and breaking habits is incredibly difficult. The only reason this should be a problem is if someone does it to intentionally be cruel.

[QUOTE=Qaus;49641152]i mean, maybe if that one wasn't out of context or in a vacuum it could be interpreted as a load of garbage all you have to do is at "but" at the end. but there's no "but". [editline]30th January 2016[/editline] this one is kinda the opposite, it's only offensive in a vacuum. in the most likely case it's probably implied to mean "to my knowledge" which is a completely valid opinion. [editline]30th January 2016[/editline] these though: definitely need to be made known to anyone/everyone as big no-no's[/QUOTE] Almost all of these seem to be bullshit or existing in some sort of vacuum, or would make more/better sense in a given context. Why does "I would date a trans person" translate to "I deserve a prize"? I would personally date (and both have and am dating) a trans person, it's not like I'm asking for some sort of reward for it. "I'm glad you're being honest" doesn't translate to "trans are liars and deceivers". That one is [i]hugely[/i] dependent on context - specifically where in transition the trans person is. Especially early on or pre-op, I think that honesty is something that's needed. With the huge number of cis people versus trans people, I would honestly say it's safe to assume that if you're dating someone presenting female, then they're female. And while I can safely say that 99.9% of trans aren't intentionally deceptive or lying and just want to be seen as their preferred gender, genitals can be [i]very[/i] important to some people. Confiding that knowledge in someone (especially early on in a relationship, even just a one night stand) can prevent problems from arising later. Again, though, this really depends on context.

when a trans person transitions, the people they surround themselves with transition too in a sense.

[QUOTE=Qaus;49641720]when a trans person transitions, the people they surround themselves with transition too in a sense.[/QUOTE] except they don't have to go through the horrible nightmare of actually transitioning, instead they have to teach themself to use a different name and pronouns

ANOTHER THING THOSE COMICS ARE MISSING: TONE AND INFLECTION Tone and inflection are [i]huge[/i] in face to face conversations. There's a difference between "I'd date a trans person" and "I'd TOOOOOOOTALLY date a trans person". All of these, [i]at face value[/i], are either harmless or unintentional ("real" woman/"but" you look so good). If you want to assign harm or harmful intentions to anything anyone says about a trans person, you really need to reevaluate your way of thinking.

[QUOTE=Judas;49641722]except they don't have to go through the horrible nightmare of actually transitioning, instead they have to teach themself to use a different name and pronouns[/QUOTE] well yeah that's why i said "in a sense"

the "I have no problem with trans people" one would work 200% better as "I have no problem with trans people, but..."

That blog is cancer. [editline]31st January 2016[/editline] This is all coming from the mentality that you're educated on the subject of trans. Fact is, if you actually are a sensible person you'd understand most cispeople are not. Just because someone says shit like that doesn't mean the transbullshit calculator, or whatever gay shit he/she calls it, is correct on its interpretation. Most people are just clueless and say stupid shit as a result. If you actually ignore it and just show you true colors most people tend to learn. A lot of my friends simply forget I'm transgender on the basis of just never bringing it up unless I make a joke at my own expense. People tend to learn better when the transperson in question is a non-hostile and friendly individual who is willing to answer questions that peek the general public's curiosity.

trans people arent obliged to be cis people's personal transness guide

[QUOTE=Judas;49644121]trans people arent obliged to be cis people's personal transness guide[/QUOTE] Never said you're obligated to but that type of attitude makes us look like angsty cunts especially if you're the type of fool who actually gets hostile when asked. Humans are curious by nature and will ask questions especially about taboo subjects and, surprise, we're a taboo subject unfortunately. It's not so bad now considering we happen to be in a point of this generation where more people are open to the idea rather than completely dismissive about it. It's only natural that some put their curiosity over someone's personal boundaries but you can't really fault them, ya know?

[QUOTE=Judas;49644121]trans people arent obliged to be cis people's personal transness guide[/QUOTE] At the same time random cis people aren't obligated to do extensive research on trans issues. If you want them to understand then explain it to them.

[QUOTE=Ms. Gyroscope;49640948]This is true. [url]http://transstudent.tumblr.com/post/138363049116/what-cis-people-say-to-trans-people-vs-what-we[/url][/QUOTE] That blog is absolute BS.

Transpeople; definitely not known for hyperbolic and/or dark senses of humor about social situations

y'know its easy to say each of those comic panels are not really accurate or bs, but as someone who just moved to a city where literally 0 people knew me, i've dealt with every single one of those situations. candy's right about tone and inflection but still. especially the pronouns one, I understood for my friends and family who'd known me but none of these people do and yet they still have a problem with pronouns.

[QUOTE=Paige;49647673]y'know its easy to say each of those comic panels are not really accurate or bs, but as someone who just moved to a city where literally 0 people knew me, i've dealt with every single one of those situations. candy's right about tone and inflection but still. especially the pronouns one, I understood for my friends and family who'd known me but none of these people do and yet they still have a problem with pronouns.[/QUOTE] And I had the exact opposite issue when I moved a year and a half ago. Then again, I'm not overly fussed when someone mis-genders me because I know that I don't pass well. The man issue I have with all of these is that I've seen them used to attack people who were being genuine. Pronouns can be very hard, especially when someone has been trained their entire life to call people who look a certain way a certain pronoun. Frankly, the only time I care is when someone is being malicious about it.

[QUOTE=Paige;49647673]y'know its easy to say each of those comic panels are not really accurate or bs, but as someone who just moved to a city where literally 0 people knew me, i've dealt with every single one of those situations. candy's right about tone and inflection but still. especially the pronouns one, I understood for my friends and family who'd known me but none of these people do and yet they still have a problem with pronouns.[/QUOTE] I can understand what you mean but the last time we spoke (about 2 years ago or so?) you still hadn't made much of an effort to train your voice and sounded male. I distinctly remember you also throwing your voice lower to sound like a black guy on VOIP in games. Have you actualy trained your voice at all? If you haven't, like Geko said, you can't really expect people who've been trained all their life to address people a certain way based on their look/voice to be able to switch like that on the fly.

[img_thumb]http://i.imgur.com/nCoy1gK.jpg[/img_thumb] hey what's up?? you all doing fine? I just feel weird cause like I'm in this weird state of not presenting in public, also I think I don't pass from afar but then from up close I do?? It's weird. ~You're all beautiful <3

the "educate yourself" mentality is terrible. if people dont understand, talk to them about it. nothing wrong with helping others. telling someone to basically fuck off or being rude back because they said something wrong unintentionally sure helps their impressions of what they think a trans person is. also to above, cute pic

I prefer people ask me about my gender than just apologetically call me a dude.

Not everyone is going to ask because they don't know. If someone makes a mistake, inform them so they don't make it again.

[QUOTE=residntevl;49650256]Not everyone is going to ask because they don't know. If someone makes a mistake, inform them so they don't make it again.[/QUOTE] "Excuse me, sir?" -Actually, I'm a woman. "Oh, sorry! Pardon me, ma'am."

[QUOTE=Wii60;49648635]the "educate yourself" mentality is terrible. if people dont understand, talk to them about it. nothing wrong with helping others. telling someone to basically fuck off or being rude back because they said something wrong unintentionally sure helps their impressions of what they think a trans person is.[/QUOTE] All of my yes. Do people seriously think that all websites online are positive towards trans people? Telling people to "educate themselves" can seriously backfire. When I was hunting down websites to try and help my mom explain I found a website that anti-trans and rad-fem. I can't remember which, but they either called transwomen, transmen and vice versa, or they got the pronouns wrong. But anyway, they were mostly spewing hate towards transmen and claiming most of them would end up raping women. Along with listing all the "negative" side effects of HRT which amounted to anything that's considered a masculine feature.

Dangerous HRT side effect: People jealous of your really good skin.

[QUOTE=emly;49651029]Dangerous HRT side effect: People jealous of your really good skin.[/QUOTE] Don't forget pissing out a swimming pool every day :v:

[QUOTE=SadisticGecko;49650805]All of my yes. Do people seriously think that all websites online are positive towards trans people? Telling people to "educate themselves" can seriously backfire.[/QUOTE] The pure womyn stuff is pretty stupid.

Dangerous HRT side effect: So, you thought you liked mint flavor?

the absolute WORST thing about hrt is making your tongue numb with all the salt and vinager chips you're going to eat