Crossdressing & Transgender & A̲L̲L̲I̲E̲S̲ Discussion v. Thread Reassignment Surgery - General

[QUOTE=Shark Bones;49811804]If Ru Paul ever called me a tranny I'd slap his dick off, just saiyan[/QUOTE] I'm pretty certain he just uses the term to talk about drag queens, though I haven't really seen him talk much about trans people.

[QUOTE=Shark Bones;49811804]If Ru Paul ever called me a tranny I'd slap his dick off, just saiyan[/QUOTE] Dick slapped into escape velocity

I think a lot of the issue boils down to how few shows/movies have trans actors/actresses and most of the time they're written so poorly being transgender is their only defining feature. (even worse if the person portraying them is cis) It's going to take a while but the more Orange Is the New Black type shows we get the less pressure will be placed on things like RuPaul's Drag Race will be seen as representative all of trans people.

[QUOTE=Jamsponge;49811839]I'm pretty certain he just uses the term to talk about drag queens, though I haven't really seen him talk much about trans people.[/QUOTE] its still a disgusting slur fuck drag culture

[QUOTE=Political Gamer;49811899](even worse if the person portraying them is cis)[/QUOTE] I can understand horribly written characters horribly representing a minority, but I don't really see the problem with them being cis.

[QUOTE=Tinter;49812251]I can understand horribly written characters horribly representing a minority, but I don't really see the problem with them being cis.[/QUOTE]If they're portrayed well, yes there's nothing inherently wrong. However, when the character is done badly it just amplifies the feeling that the makers didn't give a shit.

I don't like drag culture all that much but I don't think the show itself is actively hurting anybody.

A show about drag kings is what started causing me to question my gender identity.

[QUOTE=Shark Bones;49811391] You can't make me call you "xhi" or "ze." It ain't gonna happen.[/QUOTE] I wonder how people in the romantic languages deal with this stuff. Every item is gendered, etc.

I find the hostility towards drag culture surprising. Its probably more constructive to judge the people that use drag queens to judge all trans instead of the drag queens that mean no harm.

[QUOTE=Rangergxi;49812718]I wonder how people in the romantic languages deal with this stuff. Every item is gendered, etc.[/QUOTE] i only heard those "xhi" or "ze/zir" in english so far, never in any other language. its a "english" thing lol

[QUOTE=SadisticGecko;49812647]A show about drag kings is what started causing me to question my gender identity.[/QUOTE] I blame the cartoons I watched when I was younger for this. Where it was a joke to dress up or turn a boy into a girl. It really started to intrigue me instead of thinking it was funny. The big ones I remember was the Fairy Odd Parents episode "The Boy Who Would be Queen" and the Jimmy Neutron episode "Trading Faces".

[QUOTE=Rangergxi;49812726]drag queens that mean no harm.[/QUOTE] Minstrel shows mean no harm either

[QUOTE=MissingGlitch;49812814]I blame the cartoons I watched when I was younger for this. Where it was a joke to dress up or turn a boy into a girl. It really started to intrigue me instead of thinking it was funny. The big ones I remember was the Fairy Odd Parents episode "The Boy Who Would be Queen" and the Jimmy Neutron episode "Trading Faces".[/QUOTE] I was always tomboyish. Hated anything remotely feminine. Uncomfortable in dressed, played in the mud, stuff like that. Half the time after I got out of the shower, I'd mess with my hair to try and see what I'd look like with short hair since I always had long hair. I guess I was maybe 13 or so and saw a show on HBO about drag kings. I thought it was absolutely awesome and made me feel less weird about myself. You don't see a lot of cartoons about girls --> boy. It's always the other way around. The few things I saw or read about a girl going boy was always the tomboyish girl who briefly turns into a boy and then completely goes super ultra feminine. Was always a let down.

drag queens and trans people have close friendly relationships due to obvious reasons but they are different things too. Drag queens arnt hurting trans people.

Drag queens don't directly harm trans people. They do, however, end up getting mixed in with trans people by the general population. Combine that with the visibility that shows such as rupauls drag race give them and they end up having a non-insignificant effect on public perceptions of trans issues. This contributes to stereotypes about the trans community and, in my opinion, has an overall detrimental effect on public perception of trans people and issues.

The point is that it isn't draq queens' fault. It's just the misguided perception by the general public causing the harm.

Ru Paul is kinda uggo tho

You still can't deny that drag has positive influences, looking at myself, as an example. Edit: By all means, ignore the fact that a show about drag kings helped me realize that I was transgender.

[QUOTE=KOS-MOS;49812745]i only heard those "xhi" or "ze/zir" in english so far, never in any other language. its a "english" thing lol[/QUOTE] I think they mean how they could make up gender neutral words for every gendered item.

I really dislike those "grey area" gender pronouns such as "xhi, ze, zir, etc". I think they sound weird. I guess there should be pronouns for such things but what I've seen kinda irks me. I don't really know what I'd like to be referred to if I can't just be "her" honestly. "They" seems like the best option I know of but I still find that weird, makes me feel like I'm two people or something.

They has become natural to me. There's no way a new pronoun like ze/zir would catch on but an already existing word like they gaining a second meaning is much more likely and less clunky. I especially prefer it to having to put in "he/she" whenever something has to be gender neutral. If you refer to someone as they around people who aren't aware of the singular form most of the time they won't even notice.

I read an article about something (I forget what) and the author was using "ze" in it and I was like "Are they doing some sort of German accent thing?"

[QUOTE=Rangergxi;49812726]I find the hostility towards drag culture surprising. Its probably more constructive to judge the people that use drag queens to judge all trans instead of the drag queens that mean no harm.[/QUOTE] drag queens can drop the act and go live a normal, happy life drag queens don't get murdered all the time for being who they are drag queens perpetuate negative stereotypes about trans people that directly causes violence against them

ITT: Drag queens: scum of the earth. Crossdressing: A'ok. I honestly find it disgusting that it's alright to bash on people for breaking gender presentation norms. What's next? Bashing on other trans people because they don't completely stick to societies idea of what's male and female? Oh. Wait... The issue isn't with drag, it's with society. Society is the one that perpetuates negative stereotypes and society is the one that does the violence. But I guess that some sort of scapegoat is needed since bashing on cisgender people is too mainstream now. But, whatever. I've been once more reminded why I avoid this thread like the plague. Thanks for that.

I didn't bash drag queens at all. I don't care for them, but in the end I don't have a problem with them as a group. I do, however, have a problem with the fact that their culture ends up getting lumped up with trans culture so far as the media and the general population is concerned. You cannot deny the detrimental effect they have on public perceptions of trans people.

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Fuck, I'm sorry. This shit is my fault, I shouldn't have stoked this fire. I hate seeing everyone arguing in here.

There is a clear and present problem that drag queens/drag kings create, but it's pretty stupid to use collectivist arguments to say that ALL DRAG QUEENS/KINGS are the problem. The problem is both sides not understanding what's going on here and too few people willing to explain differences and how things should be dealt with. RuPaul shouldn't be using the word "tranny" even though he's using it as a shortened form of "transvestite". People should be educated that transvestites and drag queens/kings are NOT transgender. Drag queens/kings should probably stop casually crossdressing in the typical exaggerated way in public spaces and keep it as it was intended to be: a performance act. Drag queens/kings need to recognize that transpeople can't "take it off" at the end of the day. People should stop comparing/conflating/etc trans issues with the problems transvestites face in society. It's a comparison that's not even apples to oranges, it's apples to Boeing 747's. And above all else, fuckers need to stop being so judgmental and/or hostile. I'm sure 99% of drag queens/kings don't intend on offending transpeople or trivialize the problems they face. They just need to be better informed so they can express their hobby in a more considerate manner.

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