Crossdressing & Transgender & A̲L̲L̲I̲E̲S̲ Discussion v. Thread Reassignment Surgery - General

[QUOTE=Zillamaster55;50309681]Is it actually worth transitioning? Because the more I think about it, the less it's really worht even trying. I'd be kicked out of the house and cut off of any income from my parents, and it's also way too late (18 and I look too manly.) Should I still try?[/QUOTE] Zilla I started hormones at literally the same age as you and you know how well that worked out. Its never too late for you.

I don't know if you fine folks have seen this, but look what I just found! [video=youtube_share;NE4DjgNhOMs]http://youtu.be/NE4DjgNhOMs[/video]

I'm surprised by how many of this forum's cool people are in this thread. Also hi- [t]http://i.imgur.com/giG80XX.jpg[/t] I'm new to the whole trans thing even though I've been fantasizing for years; I only began to put it all together a few months ago that I'm probably not a cis male but I've got a long way to go before I start HRT. I plan on taking things slow, seeing a therapist until I get my letter, and then waiting until after I finish my bachelor's, move out, and get a job to start on hormones, which should happen sometime early-to-mid next year. Btw, do I look like I would pass if I were to transition? I know I look like 10x better in my mind's eye than I do in real life.

m8 ur already passing now

So have any of you moved countries while on hrt? There's a very good chance that I'll be moving in with my bf who lives in the UK in a few months and my biggest worry is continuing to get my prescription filled and finding a doctor

Explain to your endo your situation, so they can give you more pills in one go. That way you have more time to find an endo in the new country. Also, you could ask your current endo for a letter to the new endo, so the process of prescribing 'mones gets quicker. I asked my endo for more pills, since I'm returning to my country for vacations for almost 2 months, and she gave me 3 months worth of hormones in one go.

[QUOTE=Foobagooba;50329919]I don't know if you fine folks have seen this, but look what I just found! [video=youtube_share;NE4DjgNhOMs]http://youtu.be/NE4DjgNhOMs[/video][/QUOTE] it just werks too bad im afraid to use this technique because people would proabably not be used to my voice changing like that in voip and all that.

so just found out it'll take 9 months to even see a specialist then fuckknows how long after that. I'm poor as heck so I can't do it through the private sector what's cheaper, self medding or bleach

Waiting, it's painful to wait but it's worth passing up on the bleach and sticking around, trust me [editline]17th May 2016[/editline] As for self medding, afaik that should considered a last resort if even as an option. I'm sure others here could inform you better than I on that topic though.

[QUOTE=Wii60;50333894]it just werks too bad im afraid to use this technique because people would proabably not be used to my voice changing like that in voip and all that.[/QUOTE] they'll get used it if you make it your normal voice instead of some infrequently used special voice.

Thanks for the encouragement, I legit didn't expect it but I guess I should have considering I cheated the hell out of that photo. I haven't even had my Neanderthal brows trimmed up yet but they're covered by the bangs on my wig so I guess look okay. :cat: Be very careful if you decide to self-medicate, Hakkar. I'm sure I don't need to tell you about the health concerns associated with it but it's certainly better than self-harm. Also, in the grand scheme of things, even if it takes a year or more to get proper treatment through legitimate avenues, weigh that against a lifetime of potential happiness.

[QUOTE=Sega Saturn;50336478]Thanks for the encouragement, I legit didn't expect it but I guess I should have considering I cheated the hell out of that photo. I haven't even had my Neanderthal brows trimmed up yet but they're covered by the bangs on my wig so I guess look okay. :cat: Be very careful if you decide to self-medicate, Hakkar. I'm sure I don't need to tell you about the health concerns associated with it but it's certainly better than self-harm. Also, in the grand scheme of things, even if it takes a year or more to get proper treatment through legitimate avenues, weigh that against a lifetime of potential happiness.[/QUOTE] You definitely look great for a start, and also your avatar is cute. So you got that going for ya'.

[QUOTE=Luafox;50331841][IMG]https://scontent-arn2-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/13220826_1542926866013580_1205620459726128257_n.jpg?oh=d43fe2663675c1d175b8a27837f498d3&oe=57D8904E[/IMG][/QUOTE] I was disappointed to find that this picture was just an edit from the image it came from. Was hoping to find a bunch of art similar to this.

Regular dude here, and I'm a little confused about the idea of 'genderfluidity'. I believe I've already got a good idea about gender dysphoria and as a result I feel confident in understanding MtF and FtM trans folks, but I'm a little confused about this one. If someone in this thread truly feels genderfluid, do you mind talking a little about it? I apologise if I sound a bit rude asking all this, I genuinely am curious.

[QUOTE=Erfly;50344771]Regular dude here, and I'm a little confused about the idea of 'genderfluidity'. I believe I've already got a good idea about gender dysphoria and as a result I feel confident in understanding MtF and FtM trans folks, but I'm a little confused about this one. If someone in this thread truly feels genderfluid, do you mind talking a little about it? I apologise if I sound a bit rude asking all this, I genuinely am curious.[/QUOTE] This is basically Gender Fuckery General Chat thread, so Knock yourself out

[QUOTE=The golden;50344894]I am not genderlfluid, but here is the best simple description I can give: Genderfluid is when someones gender identify is....well..fluid! They may feel more like a boy for a few days here, more like a girl for a few days there - or maybe for a few days they don't feel like they are either. It's dynamic and they float around between how they feel their gender identity is. It doesn't just mean male male/female either, there are a variety of ways a person can identify, but the key thing about genderfluid is they move between them. That's the key difference.[/QUOTE] I think I get the idea, the problem I'm having is trying to understand it subjectively. If someone is trans, they just feel like their sex is different to their gender, but it's still stable in that way. I really can't wrap my head around how it must feel to suddenly switch, and to a further extent how it feels to be somewhere in between.

[QUOTE=Erfly;50345077]I think I get the idea, the problem I'm having is trying to understand it subjectively. If someone is trans, they just feel like their sex is different to their gender, but it's still stable in that way. I really can't wrap my head around how it must feel to suddenly switch, and to a further extent how it feels to be somewhere in between.[/QUOTE] Think of is as they have no care for gender roles and that how they feel affects how they identify.

[QUOTE=residntevl;50345103]Think of is as they have no care for gender roles and that how they feel affects how they identify.[/QUOTE] Alright, so rather than gender just being male, female or somewhere in-between, it can be thought more as an entirely new, unique set of genders? Or have I just completely misunderstood?

I understand that Male and Female are basically set roles to a lot of people and that's how they strictly identify. I would say I'm genderfluid or bigender (which kind of seem like the same thing to me anyway). I feel feminine and would like to look more feminine, yet I also am comfortable with being a guy. How I feel directly affects how I think and how I feel as a gender. When I get emotional or stressed I tend to identify more like a girl and dealing with those emotions I do not at all feel like a guy. Some people would definitely say this isn't a "real trans person" and I'm inclined to agree with them, but I definitely do not care to conform to the gender roles that are expected of me as a male. I wish I could be treated as a person and not as my gender. I'm going to add for what it's worth I feel like a girl, but I'm generally okay with looking like a male and also acting like a male sometimes.

Thanks, I really appreciate hearing about what it's like to be genderfluid. I'm trying to think about what it's like in your shoes, and I think I get it, but I can't find the words to explain it at all. I can see one of the reasons of why this kind of stuff is so hard to talk about. Thanks a ton for helping me understand! (I understand this is probably really poorly worded, so sorry if I come out wrong, I've just been sat here for almost 30 minutes trying to write this :V)

[QUOTE=residntevl;50345170]I understand that Male and Female are basically set roles to a lot of people and that's how they strictly identify. I would say I'm genderfluid or bigender (which kind of seem like the same thing to me anyway). I feel feminine and would like to look more feminine, yet I also am comfortable with being a guy. How I feel directly affects how I think and how I feel as a gender. When I get emotional or stressed I tend to identify more like a girl and dealing with those emotions I do not at all feel like a guy. Some people would definitely say this isn't a "real trans person" and I'm inclined to agree with them, but I definitely do not care to conform to the gender roles that are expected of me as a male. I wish I could be treated as a person and not as my gender. I'm going to add for what it's worth I feel like a girl, but I'm generally okay with looking like a male and also acting like a male sometimes.[/QUOTE] Piggy backing off of this because I feel similarly but also have a much more nihilistic approach to gender and identification I was born male, raised as a boy, and live as a guy. But more in recent years I've started getting into feminine expression. So, of course I've asked myself: Am I trans? I don't feel cripplingly, inherently depressed when thinking about how I'm a guy and have a penis, so no. I definitely do have frequent wishes that having a vagina would better suit my sexuality, but I feel that's different from genital/gender dysphoria. I enjoy feminine expression, but I do also enjoy masculine expression from time to time. So, again, of course, I asked myself: am I gender-fluid? The answer again, is, no, I still have no problem being called a guy. Which brings me to this: why wouldn't I? Who's to say a man is "this?" I reject whole-heartedly the idea that a man is a certain set of traits/roles, and if he deviates from that, he's not 100% man anymore, that he's trans or gender-fluid or gender-queer. If I put myself into these labels, to me, that reinforces "a man who expresses femininely isn't a man anymore, he's something else." The grey, iffy area of this argument is that it sounds a lot like it invalidates the very idea of being transgendered. Bear in mind I'm not going to trans people and tell them their wrong, because I have minimal understanding of their experience and gender dysphoria in gender. Which is why I mainly apply these ideas only to myself, but also as a way to potentially help people that might be worrying as to what label they may fit.

I actually have a question that, my god, I have had for months. Finally asking it and not forgetting about it has made my day, so here goes. I've always had a pretty big question concerning trans-gendered people. I understand the process of transgender-ing, and I think it's a pretty sweet/nice thing (a lotta you folk seem to have it rough, and I do hope this sort of thing isn't so frowned on in the future). However! This is my question, and it's one I've for a while. I've even had my sister ask her trans-gendered friend about this and she said she didn't know. Let's say a male trans-genders to a woman (I'm sorry I have no idea the proper vernacular for this stuff, so simple laymans stuff for me). He obviously wants to be seen as a woman, and that's incredibly reasonable. Let's say she's lucky and is about to get medications and stuff and looks pretty womanly. What happens when she dates a guy and, when he finds out about said trans-gendered stuff, he gets upset and acts like he'd been betrayed since she wasn't up front about it. But obviously, she wants to be seen as a woman, so she's not going to tell people she's trans-gendered, right? That sort of thing would feel pretty bad having to essentially say, 'Yes I'm a woman, but not really.' I don't think any trans-gendered would want to say those things. What do you do in those situations? I'm really curious to see what you guys have to say about that. Thanks in advance, and have a good week all.

[QUOTE=The golden;50344894]I am not genderlfluid, but here is the best simple description I can give: Genderfluid is when someones gender identify is....well..fluid! They may feel more like a boy for a few days here, more like a girl for a few days there - or maybe for a few days they don't feel like they are either. It's dynamic and they float around between how they feel their gender identity is. It doesn't just mean male male/female either, there are a variety of ways a person can identify, but the key thing about genderfluid is they move between them. That's the key difference.[/QUOTE] Well that pretty much describes me, some days I feel depressed about it but some days I feel just fine. The depressed days do seem to be more frequent, though ive never felt total rejection of my sex.

[QUOTE=Firecat;50354869]I think the guy would have a right to be upset if they were dating tbh. You dont have to go around being like "I'm a woman but not really!" I think something so major should be discussed and made clear before things escalated to that level Can argue about it all you want, but it'd be unrealistic to think that everyone would be ok to be dating a transgendered person[/QUOTE] If you don't personally know someone and know about their life, personality, and goals before you date them, you're an idiot. That's my two cents.

[QUOTE=Firecat;50354869]I think the guy would have a right to be upset if they were dating tbh. You dont have to go around being like "I'm a woman but not really!" I think something so major should be discussed and made clear before things escalated to that level Can argue about it all you want, but it'd be unrealistic to think that everyone would be ok to be dating a transgendered person[/QUOTE] I imagine it'd be wise to have that conversation with the person they're dating before things get too physical.

Hi peeps, I guess it's intro time. I've been on Facepunch for a number of years now under a different name, but recent circumstances necessitate new beginnings. A couple of weeks ago, I had a bit of a breakdown while getting ready for work. I called in sick, slept on it for a few more hours and then set off on bike to gather supplies. I guess I've been going through a bit of a self-image crisis over that kind of erupted into a fit of dysphoria. I ended up biking around Toronto raiding thrift stores for clothing, pharmacies and theatrics stores for makeup supplies. I came home with a $400 haul of goodies and set to work. I feel like I've been a little on the trans side my whole life, but was always too afraid to admit it to myself or anyone else at the time. I'd sneak around and experiment with makeup and dressing on increasingly rare occasions throughout my teens, then stopped all together when I went away to uni. Now I've got a good job in a city away from home, so for once I have the financial and spacial means to try stuff out anonymously. But yeah, it all came to a fever pitch that week and I spent my whole weekend trying out different looks and working on something of a female personality. I had a blast doing it after being out of the game for so long, and then reality of Monday morning hit and I was forced resume life as usual. Now it feels like the point of no return in terms of how I proceed from here. Trying to reconcile these two conflicting realities feels like fire and water, but something's got to give. At this point I'm wrestling with the idea of venturing out into public to buy some more clothes and shoes but I honestly have no idea about whether or not I'd pass in public. I think my face and body can pass (with some adjustments to my eyebrows and body hair), but my body language and voice will likely give me away instantly. What should I do? Do you recommend taking it all slowly, or should I just dive in and start trying to passively interact with the public?

We can't give you a concrete answer on whether to dive in or not, really. It all depends on your situation. You said you're away from your family for uni, correct? So you don't have to worry about your family [i]as much[/i]. I don't know Toronto and its surrounding areas, so I can't say how accepting they are towards LGBT+/GSM people they are. The other issue is your boss and coworkers, and how accepting they would be. My personal suggestion is to simply assess your situation and see how far you can take it how quickly, and also how far you're [i]comfortable[/i] taking it. If it's literally up to you and everyone around you is going to respect your choices, then you don't want to jump in too quickly and burn yourself. Talk to your boss or manager or whatever other higher ups and get their support if they're going to give it - then you can worry less about coworkers. Talk to your folks about it, [i]especially[/i] if they're supporting you financially. If they don't approve of it, then they can cut you off and you might be screwed on that front. All in all, really, [i]talk to people in your life[/i]. We can't answer this for you, but we can guide you towards your answer. My personal, suggestion, though: from what I've seen, the more and quicker you can move, the better. Get into your clothing and fashion, get into make up, and just go [i]all[/i] in. More often than not, it seems like when people decide to take things slow (whether by choice or not), it seems to make more issues and seems to help the dysphoria less. Don't only do it at home or in private. Don't only do it every X times a week or something. Just go full time. It sounds like you already have experience with clothes and makeup, so if you're confident with those, then just keep at it and start working on other things like your voice.

To add onto what biodude said, are you looking into hormones?

[QUOTE=biodude94566;50355941]We can't give you a concrete answer on whether to dive in or not, really. It all depends on your situation. You said you're away from your family for uni, correct? So you don't have to worry about your family [i]as much[/i]. I don't know Toronto and its surrounding areas, so I can't say how accepting they are towards LGBT+/GSM people they are. The other issue is your boss and coworkers, and how accepting they would be. My personal suggestion is to simply assess your situation and see how far you can take it how quickly, and also how far you're [i]comfortable[/i] taking it. If it's literally up to you and everyone around you is going to respect your choices, then you don't want to jump in too quickly and burn yourself. Talk to your boss or manager or whatever other higher ups and get their support if they're going to give it - then you can worry less about coworkers. Talk to your folks about it, [i]especially[/i] if they're supporting you financially. If they don't approve of it, then they can cut you off and you might be screwed on that front. All in all, really, [i]talk to people in your life[/i]. We can't answer this for you, but we can guide you towards your answer. My personal, suggestion, though: from what I've seen, the more and quicker you can move, the better. Get into your clothing and fashion, get into make up, and just go [i]all[/i] in. More often than not, it seems like when people decide to take things slow (whether by choice or not), it seems to make more issues and seems to help the dysphoria less. Don't only do it at home or in private. Don't only do it every X times a week or something. Just go full time. It sounds like you already have experience with clothes and makeup, so if you're confident with those, then just keep at it and start working on other things like your voice.[/QUOTE] You make definitely raise some good points. I wouldn't say there's any forces stopping me from moving forward other than my own self-doubt. I'm no longer in uni (graduated two years ago), and I work in feature/TV animation studio, so there's nothing about my job that would prevent me from presenting as female. Toronto is an extremely diverse, cosmopolitan city with a huge lgbt community so I don't have to worry about that aspect either. It's just a matter of getting over my own personal demons and reservations about making such a big change to my life. Up until this point, I've maintained a carefully nurtured shield of masculinity to throw off any suspicion from peers and family. Moving past that feels like tearing down something I've spent 24 years building. The more I think about it, the more I feel like I'll have to take my time and carefully think my way through this whole thing. This weekend I'm gonna go out in public and see how well I can handle it. Wish me luck :v: [QUOTE=Kyle902;50358308]To add onto what biodude said, are you looking into hormones?[/QUOTE] I'm considering it. I'm a bit skeptical about altering my body chemistry, though - and I don't see SRS or anything like that in my future because I'm (currently) a hetero male.

People and places change... also Hai it's me I'm back temporarily. TO BRING GOOD NEWS UPON YOU. I started meds today! Woot. Although I'm a little confused about the dosage, I am already hyped to watch my body change. This gon' be good! Love you all for the support you've given me, even if you didn't help, have some love anyway. Everyone loves love. <3