• Game of Thrones version IV: Preface your spoilers with BOOK or SHOW
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Indeed, you can watch it in other ways, even moments after the episode has aired...
wow that episode went so far off from the books...
[QUOTE=thrawn2787;44663154]wow that episode went so far off from the books...[/QUOTE] So many people got mad.
[sp]Joffrey, Ramsay, or Karl?[/sp]
That was not good. Not good at all.
That was probably my least favorite episode of the series so far.
So, for someone who never read the books, would anyone mind filling me in on how the books were different from this episode?
[QUOTE=Xenomoose;44663239]So, for someone who never read the books, would anyone mind filling me in on how the books were different from this episode?[/QUOTE] Sure thing buddy BOOK 3, NEW EPISODE SPOILERS DUH [sp] Jon never goes North to kill the mutineers Olenna isn't as open about the murder Margery never suduces Tommen, he's MOTHER FUCKING 8 in the books This Rast character is never there to "kill" Jon Snow Craster is never confirmed to give his babies to white walkers (this goes back to season 2 actually). Ghost is never captured Bran and the gang never go to Craster's / get captures There is no Lich Kingy thing. The books are from the PoV of certain characters so this Lich Kingy thing in the Fortress of Doom would never be seen, if it exists. Thus book readers would never know about it. Because there is no Lich Kingy thing and Craster doesn't actually give his babies to white walkers (its only kind of implied in the books, more like bears come and eat them) that means there's none of this "crasters babies are white walkers" BS[/sp]
All of those changes sound horrible and though I speak as a very devoted fan of the books I can hope that I'm not alone here
[sp]So wait, I'm a little confused. A piece of the necklace was used as the poison? Can we see exactly where this happens in the previous episodes?[/sp]
Oh wow, I didn't know it was that different. Jeez, that's a big fuckup. I really hope there's a good reason for it.
[QUOTE=W00tbeer1;44663295][sp]So wait, I'm a little confused. A piece of the necklace was used as the poison? Can we see exactly where this happens in the previous episodes?[/sp][/QUOTE] 1) tag your spoilers 2) s4e2 [sp]yes. Olenna messes with Sansa's necklace. After that a gem is missing. Later the only cup available for Tyrion to grab is the one by Olenna[/sp]
[QUOTE=W00tbeer1;44663295][sp]So wait, I'm a little confused. A piece of the necklace was used as the poison? Can we see exactly where this happens in the previous episodes?[/sp][/QUOTE] [sp]You can see the old lady messing with Sansa's necklace, and if you pay attention you notice that one of the pieces is missing.[/sp]
episode spoilers [sp]why do i recognize that guy jon was talking to? the one that stood up last when jon was taking volunteers. i thought he had been a character there the whole time, but he just got an introduction moment and was referred to as a new recruit.[/sp]
[QUOTE=thrawn2787;44663263]Sure thing buddy BOOK 3, NEW EPISODE SPOILERS DUH [sp] Jon never goes North to kill the mutineers Olenna isn't as open about the murder Margery never suduces Tommen, he's MOTHER FUCKING 8 in the books This Rast character is never there to "kill" Jon Snow Craster is never confirmed to give his babies to white walkers (this goes back to season 2 actually). Ghost is never captured Bran and the gang never go to Craster's / get captures There is no Lich Kingy thing. The books are from the PoV of certain characters so this Lich Kingy thing in the Fortress of Doom would never be seen, if it exists. Thus book readers would never know about it. Because there is no Lich Kingy thing and Craster doesn't actually give his babies to white walkers (its only kind of implied in the books, more like bears come and eat them) that means there's none of this "crasters babies are white walkers" BS[/sp][/QUOTE] [sp]The book implies heavily that Craster gives his male kids to the white walkers. Very heavily. It stops short of directly saying it. It may as well have been confirmed in the books.[/sp]
[QUOTE=Anonymuzz;44663329]episode spoilers [sp]why do i recognize that guy jon was talking to? the one that stood up last when jon was taking volunteers. i thought he had been a character there the whole time, but he just got an introduction moment and was referred to as a new recruit.[/sp][/QUOTE] He works for Bolton. He cut off Jaime's hand [editline]27th April 2014[/editline] [QUOTE=darkrei9n;44663331][sp]The book implies heavily that Craster gives his male kids to the white walkers. Very heavily. It stops short of directly saying it. It may as well have been confirmed in the books.[/sp][/QUOTE] Very heavily implied by other characters, who aren't reliable sources of information. That's whats so good about the books, you can't trust what characters say because they're probably spreading rumors / gossip
[QUOTE=thrawn2787;44663352]He works for Bolton. He cut off Jaime's hand [editline]27th April 2014[/editline] Very heavily implied by other characters, who aren't reliable sources of information. That's whats so good about the books, you can't trust what characters say because they're probably spreading rumors / gossip[/QUOTE] [sp]Characters who have little reason to lie about it. They're unreliable but part of the massive fucking hint is that a white walker is for some reason hanging around Craster's place around the same time Gilly gives birth to a boy. The characters are unreliable but evidence is there.[/sp]
[QUOTE=darkrei9n;44663492][sp]Characters who have little reason to lie about it. They're unreliable but part of the massive fucking hint is that a white walker is for some reason hanging around Craster's place around the same time Gilly gives birth to a boy. The characters are unreliable but evidence is there.[/sp][/QUOTE] [sp]yes but none of these characters are terribly bright either. my guess is they think the world is flat still. you forget that white walkers were rumors and legends until the fist of first men, why would it be any different for craster and his girls? never once in my readings of book 2 / 3 did i think craster was the only person on the planet, besides maybe mance, who knew what was actually going on in the world[/sp]
[QUOTE=thrawn2787;44663523][sp]yes but none of these characters are terribly bright either. my guess is they think the world is flat still. you forget that white walkers were rumors and legends until the fist of first men, why would it be any different for craster and his girls? never once in my readings of book 2 / 3 did i think craster was the only person on the planet, besides maybe mance, who knew what was actually going on in the world[/sp][/QUOTE] [sp]Except believe it or not they do know living north of the wall is hard. They do expeditions up north. They know how suspicious it is for a single man with dozens of wives at hand to survive. They know for a fact that hes having kids, and they know for a fact that there are no males there. The characters can be stupid but they're not retarded.[/sp]
[QUOTE=darkrei9n;44663564][sp]Except believe it or not they do know living north of the wall is hard. They do expeditions up north. They know how suspicious it is for a single man with dozens of wives at hand to survive. They know for a fact that hes having kids, and they know for a fact that there are no males there. The characters can be stupid but they're not retarded.[/sp][/QUOTE] [sp]Yes they know he's killing off his sons but they explain it as him "offering to the gods." Northerns used to do this too, it is hinted they kill people by the weirwoods. Killing sons off somewhere in the woods != giving them to white walkers. I could easily see craster, his wives, or the nights watchmen making that story up to scare people. Craster wants to keep his wives in line, his wives are scared of him, and the nights watchmen hate him. All have motivation to make shit up. Even then I'm pretty sure none of them make that up in the books. Literally all is said is Craster "serves crueler gods than us" - meaning its hard to live north of the wall.[/sp]
[QUOTE=darkrei9n;44663492][sp]Characters who have little reason to lie about it. They're unreliable but part of the massive fucking hint is that a white walker is for some reason hanging around Craster's place around the same time Gilly gives birth to a boy. The characters are unreliable but evidence is there.[/sp][/QUOTE] [sp]Knowing how GRRM writes, the more likely the evidence points to one conclusion means it's the exact opposite. I'm quite sure the white walker being around when Gilly gives birth is pure coincidence, there to throw the reader off.[/sp]
Wow, what the fuck, that episode was like, 100% exposition for stuff that is only implied, theorized or completely made up.
wow that episode gave me blue balls
[QUOTE=thrawn2787;44663263]Sure thing buddy BOOK 3, NEW EPISODE SPOILERS DUH [sp] Jon never goes North to kill the mutineers Olenna isn't as open about the murder Margery never suduces Tommen, he's MOTHER FUCKING 8 in the books This Rast character is never there to "kill" Jon Snow Craster is never confirmed to give his babies to white walkers (this goes back to season 2 actually). Ghost is never captured Bran and the gang never go to Craster's / get captures There is no Lich Kingy thing. The books are from the PoV of certain characters so this Lich Kingy thing in the Fortress of Doom would never be seen, if it exists. Thus book readers would never know about it. Because there is no Lich Kingy thing and Craster doesn't actually give his babies to white walkers (its only kind of implied in the books, more like bears come and eat them) that means there's none of this "crasters babies are white walkers" BS[/sp][/QUOTE] I would assume GRRM is working with the show creators, so just because it hasn't happened yet in the books doesn't mean it won't happen in Winds of Winter. Also [sp]HBO confirmed the "lich king" is the Nights King http://awoiaf.westeros.org/index.php/Night's_King[/sp] [sp]Interestingly the Night's King was the 13th Lord commander of the night's watch, and there are 13 Others in that scene (Not counting the white walker who brings them the baby)[/sp] Overall I'm pretty happy with the episode. A lot of it didn't happen in the books, but since they're probably trying to save the most important parts for the season finale, they're going to have to make stuff up or have a whole lot of filler. (Jon training troops for 6 episodes, Bran just walking North for half the season.)
[QUOTE=laserpanda;44664187] Also [sp]HBO confirmed the "lich king" is the Nights King http://awoiaf.westeros.org/index.php/Night's_King[/sp] [/QUOTE] Source for this confirmation?
[QUOTE=Erebus.;44664252]Source for this confirmation?[/QUOTE] [url]http://i.imgur.com/G1pdcan.png[/url] Spoilers obviously.
[QUOTE=laserpanda;44664257][url]http://i.imgur.com/G1pdcan.png[/url] Spoilers obviously.[/QUOTE] [sp]well this kills all the Coldhands = Night's King theories. this is so crazy, the biggest development for the others comes through the show and not the books. TWOW has a lot to live up to with this minute long reveal. [/sp]
great, now the show is spoiling the books even more fuck this piece of shit
[QUOTE=thrawn2787;44663263] BOOK 3, NEW EPISODE SPOILERS DUH [sp] Jon never goes North to kill the mutineers Olenna isn't as open about the murder Margery never suduces Tommen, he's MOTHER FUCKING 8 in the books This Rast character is never there to "kill" Jon Snow Craster is never confirmed to give his babies to white walkers (this goes back to season 2 actually). Ghost is never captured Bran and the gang never go to Craster's / get captures There is no Lich Kingy thing. The books are from the PoV of certain characters so this Lich Kingy thing in the Fortress of Doom would never be seen, if it exists. Thus book readers would never know about it. Because there is no Lich Kingy thing and Craster doesn't actually give his babies to white walkers (its only kind of implied in the books, more like bears come and eat them) that means there's none of this "crasters babies are white walkers" BS[/sp][/QUOTE] Here's a few more that bothered me. [sp]Coldhands is completely written out: he's leaves Bran, Meerja, and Jojen to kill the mutineers while they're on the way north, but Bran never finds out. Sam never tells Jon that Bran is alive. Jon's whole storyline is slowed down. After he gets shot by Ygritte, he rides back to the wall, and the wildlings attack from the south (and Ygritte dies) hours later. [/sp]
[sp]Yeah, so this is actually crazy, first book spoiler to come from the tv show. I imagine in the future book, such as TWOW we'll see this fortress of solitude, seeing as Martin would never sign off on a change this big unless it was in the book and... BOY is it big[/sp] [editline]28th April 2014[/editline] [QUOTE=atl101;44664424][sp]Jon's whole storyline is slowed down. After he gets shot by Ygritte, he rides back to the wall, and the wildlings attack from the south (and Ygritte dies) hours later. [/sp][/QUOTE] [sp]It isn't hours later, it may seem that way but it's weeks later[/sp]
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