Game of Thrones version IV: Preface your spoilers with BOOK or SHOW
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[QUOTE=mr apple;44674165]Does Jamie have have bipolar?, [sp]Literally last episode he was raping his sister in front of their dead kid, now this episode, they have a weird ass conversation like nothing happened and he's back to his cool self talking about oathkeeping and shit.[/sp][/QUOTE]
Different culture, different set of values; honour and oath-keeping and what we would consider to be moral goodness aren't necessarily linked
[QUOTE=BuDSpOoNce;44667835]also i don't know why people thought margaery was trying to seduce noteviljoffrey, it felt like she just wanted to get to know her future husband and they had a cute moment and in the end nicejoffrey was able to go to sleep without being paranoid[/QUOTE]
because old lady face literally just told her she has to be really convincing and manipulative? she is so completely grooming new good joffrey. that was the whole point
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[QUOTE=Ridley;44668566]So it wasn't just me that liked the Margaery and NotEvilJoffs scene? I totally liked she seemed to take Olenna's advice and twist it into something more compassionate, like when she tried to make Joffery a more caring person when she took him down to the Keep's ghettos to visit the poor.[/QUOTE]
just because she seems more compassionate doesn't mean she's grooming him any less.
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also re: that guy complaining about bad accents -
the faux-british accents actually make more sense than the real ones. for example why would you have people with irish accents in a place where ireland doesn't exist? obviously it's completely unavoidable and doesn't bother me in the slightest, but i'm playing devils advocate here. the fake british accents make more sense because they don't actually exist in the real world - meaning they are more a part of this fictional world.
[QUOTE=darcy010;44667039]It's not even that big of a plot point Jesus. I've literally just passed the part in book two where it is [b]heavily[/b] implied that [sp]Craster gives his sons to the white walkers. The only two outcomes would be they eat the kids or they create more white walkers.[/sp]
Coming from someone who's had every major death of the first three books spoiled for me, it's a bit of an over reaction.[/QUOTE]
That wasn't the big spolier the big spolier was (s4e04) [sp] The Night's King [/sp] Unless of course it was a typo/mistake/photoshop.
Referring to the image of the HBO synopsis [url]http://i.imgur.com/G1pdcan.png[/url]
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[QUOTE=mr apple;44674165]Does Jamie have have bipolar?, [sp]Literally last episode he was raping his sister in front of their dead kid, now this episode, they have a weird ass conversation like nothing happened and he's back to his cool self talking about oathkeeping and shit.[/sp][/QUOTE]
[sp]It wasn't meant to be rape she initiated it, then changed her mind, then changed her mind again, then again. If anything Cersei is bipolar[/sp]
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[QUOTE=Phi7788;44671176]Yea I'm fine with most of the changes but one or two but
[sp] Darth Maul as the leader of the White Walkers is fine but don't call him the night's king because that contradicts everything told to us about the Night's King. Hell even the show established the Night's King as a former night's watch commander gone rogue, I think the whole Night's King debacle is an honest mistake by whoever made the synopsis[/sp]
[B]also fuck the show for removing coldhands[/B][/QUOTE]
Maybe this bran side line thing could be used to introduce coldhands.
The accents are english, Not british. No welsh or Scots yet.
I don't know about the rest of you but i'd flip if I herd US,AU or Canadian accents. Any accents would be better. Still; I'm suprised no black character has shown up with a strong black-american accent, Filling a hyperbolic stereotype. I mean there're plenty of out of place parts already.
I don't get why everyone's having a seizure because the creators changed a few things. Don't they consult all the changes with G.R.R.M.?
[QUOTE=Zezibesh;44667881]that doesn't really make sense though, [sp]Bronn is a sellsword and sellswords are notoriously untrustworthy. In the books he sparred with Ser Ilyn, because Ser Ilyn couldn't speak or write. He couldn't tell anyone that Jaime can't fight anymore, which is why he could do it without risk (apart from being discovered by a third party). Bronn is a really bad choice for Jaime especially now if Tyrion gets convicted, as Bronn will be a knight and free from his service and can go and brag in any tavern how he beat the kingslayer.[/sp][/QUOTE]
Who else would they have used? The actor who played Ser Ilyn has terminal cancer so he left the show, and he would be hard to recast.
[QUOTE=Sio;44674458]Maybe this bran side line thing could be used to introduce coldhands.[/QUOTE]
[sp]IIRC the actor who plays Sam confirmed that Coldhands wasn't in this season, though they may just be waiting to introduce him in S5[/sp]
Not necessarily. He has no direct influence on what direction they take the show in.
And regarding material not touched on in the books yet, I didn't have it in me to get worked up about it. Game of Thrones introduced me to the book series and I knew everything happening in book one when I read it. I think a lot of people forget that it was the show who introduced them to the books.
Besides, even if GRRM didn't want to [sp]introduce the Night's King[/sp] just yet, there's nothing he could do about it.
[QUOTE=Kindlinho;44674752]I don't get why everyone's having a seizure because the creators changed a few things. Don't they consult all the changes with G.R.R.M.?[/QUOTE]
They do. Some episodes are outright written by Martin.
[QUOTE=Kindlinho;44674752]I don't get why everyone's having a seizure because the creators changed a few things. Don't they consult all the changes with G.R.R.M.?[/QUOTE]
They consult about some things, but GRRM has no input on the final decisions. Like when a Dothraki character was killed in season 1 even though the creators knew he would reappear in book 6. He can be replaced, sure, but ultimately many of these minor changes ultimately seem pointless when killed characters need to be replaced by TV show originals anyway.
[QUOTE=laserpanda;44674775]Who else would they have used? The actor who played Ser Ilyn has terminal cancer so he left the show, and he would be hard to recast.[/QUOTE]
I know he's gone from the show, but from a story and character point of view it's absolutely illogical. Couldn't they have just invented some OC? They seem to like to do it so much anyway.
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And as an episode writer you don't get to make the big decisions most of the time. You're given a list of events that must happen and then you fill in the blanks to make a compelling episode. You don't get to change whether a major character lives or dies for example. That's up to the show runners.
I think alot of people are upset because they weren't decisive enough to come up with their own conclusions and now they feel cheated.
i feel like George is really buckling under worldwide attention, what with his slow progress on book 6, and the crippling perfectionism he's developed is manifesting when he authorizes dramatic [del]retcons[/del] alterations and new insights in the television series
i.e. a chance to tell the story again
I think replacing Sir Ilyn with Bronn was a good decision, he's a great character I don't mind seeing more of.
Bronn has a surprisingly good chemistry with Jaime. Well, it seems like Bronn is just the right substance for everyone.
Ilyn's actor has terminal cancer so he can't appear on screen regardless
Couldn't they have just recasted sir Ilyn though? Not that I mind too much. I'd assume that bron also allows the show to avoid that part with Jamie's aunt (not sure, haven't began watching season 4 yet). A shame; I realy liked jamies aunt and I'm wondering [sp] who'd tell jamie that they might not be tywin's son[/sp]
The mountain though; He's one of the most important characters in the show and he's on his third actor.
Now people are speculating that Craster [sp]is the source of the white walkers[/sp]
GJ HBO you fucked everything up by assuming show-watchers are smart enough to remember things
[QUOTE=Ganerumo;44667912]I was spoiled some pretty important shit like [sp]cersei's walk of penitence or caitlyn's sudden comeback[/sp] (various book spoilers) and I still don't give a shit because the series is awesome as it is and I enjoy watching it.[/QUOTE]
Could you please write what kind of spoilers we're dealing with in front of the spoiler text? Now I'm massively spoiled as well. It's easily assumed that tagless spoilers are present episode spoilers.
I think Jaimes character is a bit weird and inconsistent. His redemption is nicely shown but the rape scene was pretty out of character and somewhat ruined this whole redemption aspect of his.
[QUOTE=Chief Martini;44677503]Could you please write what kind of spoilers we're dealing with in front of the spoiler text? Now I'm massively spoiled as well. It's easily assumed that tagless spoilers are present episode spoilers.[/QUOTE]
It says [I]various book spoilers[/I] right there, this means don't read this if you haven't read all of the released books.
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[QUOTE=junker154;44678059]I think Jaimes character is a bit weird and inconsistent. His redemption is nicely shown but the rape scene was pretty out of character and somewhat ruined this whole redemption aspect of his.[/QUOTE]
I don't know why people are making such a big deal out of it, the scene is also present in the books, and it would've come out even weirder if it had been kept as some casual sex because [sp]there is no fucking way Cersei would have slept with Jaime right next to her dead kid willingly.[/sp]
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I don't know why people are making such a big deal out of it, the scene is also present in the books, and it would've come out even weirder if it had been kept as some casual sex because [sp]there is no fucking way Cersei would have slept with Jaime right next to her dead kid willingly.[/sp][/QUOTE]
In the book it's the first time they meet since Jaime was captured. She does protest over the location in the book too but it doesn't come over as rape.
And Khal Drogo doesn't rape Dany when they get married either. I have a feeling they just show it as rape to save time or something which is fucking stupid
They changed events from the book, Jamie gets back in town sooner; got it, cool. If the medium, and the writers own tampering, have made a scene from the book impossible to make in its natural form -- then don't fucking make the scene. We already know the Jamie and Cersei aren't on the same terms as they used to be in the show, we didn't need the rape scene. It was pointless for their relationship growth on screen, it did nothing for that dynamic, and it had the backlash of fucking up one characters story arc.
Worst scene in the show, no contest.
Jamie is one of my favourite characters.
My friends were looking at me sideways when i told them that.
[QUOTE=Ganerumo;44678266]I don't know why people are making such a big deal out of it, the scene is also present in the books, and it would've come out even weirder if it had been kept as some casual sex because [sp]there is no fucking way Cersei would have slept with Jaime right next to her dead kid willingly.[/sp][/QUOTE]
I don't give a flying crap if it's in the book or not. It just seems inconsistent in the show, they do a rather good job at showing how Jamie evolved until he reaches King's Landing but then they kind of mess it up. Raping your sister is a pretty big deal if you ask me and kind of destroys the illusion.
They're taking parts of book Jaime and whatever else ideas they want and it's really, really inconsistent.
[QUOTE=Winner;44679298]they could've recasted ilyn seriously they already recasted daario and he looks [I]completely[/I] different[/QUOTE]
the writing out of ilyn is out of respect, not because the recasting would be weird.
hey guys here's some opinions you may not have heard before and might find a bit controversial but here i am to rock the boat
first off, what was with jamie raping cersei jeeez! way to screw up his redemption arc!!
secondly, the reason none of you seem to have got in your head yet for bronn teaching jamie how to swordplay is this - ser illyn's actor has terminal cancer and he had to leave the show okay? they didn't recast him out of respect.
now thirdly, haha what was with the "night king"?!
[QUOTE=junker154;44679633]I don't give a flying crap if it's in the book or not. It just seems inconsistent in the show, they do a rather good job at showing how Jamie evolved until he reaches King's Landing but then they kind of mess it up. Raping your sister is a pretty big deal if you ask me and kind of destroys the illusion.[/QUOTE]
He probably doesn't view it as rape. I don't think it's a stretch to think that Westeros standards of consensual sex are different from ours.
Really it just seems that most people think the show crossed some kind of line. Which I think is lame considering that we have seen a pregnant woman get stabbed repeatedly in the stomach.
The scene didn't destroy his arc, imo.
I've not read the books so I don't really know how they worked but I can't help but think that Jamie practicing with Ser Illyn wouldn't really work. The dude can't speak, dialogue is pretty important in a TV show.
[QUOTE=squids_eye;44684162]I've not read the books so I don't really know how they worked but I can't help but think that Jamie practicing with Ser Illyn wouldn't really work. The dude can't speak, dialogue is pretty important in a TV show.[/QUOTE]
It worked in the books since Jaime pretty much talks to Ilyn about all his secrets as he knows Ilyn can't reveal them.
The character doesn't have to be Ilyn though, as long as it's someone Jaime can trust not to reveal his secrets.
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