• Game of Thrones version IV: Preface your spoilers with BOOK or SHOW
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oh my god I'm almost through ACOK and I want to click these spoilers because something big is obviously up but I can't arghhh
[QUOTE=DChapsfield;45223487]show, SE 3-4 [sp]when Gendry reaches land[/sp][/QUOTE] Still rowing
[QUOTE=DChapsfield;45222800][img]http://i.somethingawful.com/forumsystem/emoticons/emot-colbert.gif[/img][/QUOTE] Naw realy. For martin Originally dragons were going to be giant medieval flamethrowers. Then his friends bullied him into putting real dragons in. But you can... Kinda see some sense of logic into his dragon designs. Two legs and two wings. Long body and large wings for flying. The design of the body isn't too different from some prehistoric fliers. Clearly martin wanted his dragons to fly whilst conforming to the laws of physics As opposed to chunkier dragon designs from other fictions.
Martin wasn't the first to have two legged dragons that walk like bats lol [editline]26th June 2014[/editline] It's not his design, it's been done hundreds of times before in fantasy fiction. Never mind historical precedent
Dragons have 4 legs, wiverns have 2.
yeah we know but it's really all just relevant, borderline arbitrary western / european legend, myth, and fantasy fiction predominantly imagined four-legged winged 'dragons,' but tons of other cultures around the world pictured similar creatures, which we lump together as 'dragons,' that have varying characteristics so if you want to say A Song of Ice and Fire has to adhere to western fantasy rules, then they're not technically dragons. however, there's the equally valid counterpoint that a writer isn't restricted to any genre, and is free to be as creative as they like. that's what i subscribe to. this argument is about such inconsequential terminology, plus, if writers were limited to tropish constraints, we'd have pure fictional rehash
[QUOTE=DChapsfield;45223487]show, SE 3-4 [sp]when Gendry reaches land[/sp][/QUOTE] I forgot he was even a thing.
[QUOTE=Emperor Scorpious II;45226095]Dragons have 4 legs, wiverns have 2.[/QUOTE] Oh my god Who cares
Dammit guys I keep reading book spoilers because you're replying and not tagging your replies. Seriously, as a show-watcher I've accidentally discovered BOOKS [sp]Lady Stoneheart[/sp] spoilers like 8 separate times in this thread. Tag your replies please.
[QUOTE=DaysBefore;45223411]Book three [sp]Uh Beric Dondarrion died like six times by the time Arya met him, and the only reason he for realises died was to bring back Catelyn The magic is far less subtle and more just rare. When it happens it's very direct and open, it just never happens[/sp][/QUOTE] [QUOTE=DChapsfield;45222306]All books spoilers [sp]frozen zombies, three fire dragons, blood sorcery, shadow assassin = subtle?[/sp] [sp]didn't seem to out of place to me, especially when necromancy and the undead were an already established condition of the world[/sp][/QUOTE] All book spoilers [sp] Re: DaysBefore I appreciate that resurrection has been established but I feel like there's a difference between resurrecting Beric Dondarrion, a character who is introduced with the information that he's been brought back to life so often, and bringing back a PoV character like Catelyn, days after she's been dead, and books after we last saw her, made it feel contrived to me. [/sp] [sp] Re: DChapsfield going to have to back up what TheJack said, magic in the books is far more subtle than the show, and given what I said about deaths in ASoIaF needing to be meaningful I find her resurrection pretty.. uhm.. stark. I would hope Robb won't come back with a wolf head, for example. The dead should stay dead or "killing" main characters is a cheap ploy. [/sp]
[QUOTE=BarnacleDrive;45228391]All book spoilers [sp] Re: DaysBefore I appreciate that resurrection has been established but I feel like there's a difference between resurrecting Beric Dondarrion, a character who is introduced with the information that he's been brought back to life so often, and bringing back a PoV character like Catelyn, days after she's been dead, and books after we last saw her, made it feel contrived to me. [/sp] [sp] Re: DChapsfield going to have to back up what TheJack said, magic in the books is far more subtle than the show, and given what I said about deaths in ASoIaF needing to be meaningful I find her resurrection pretty.. uhm.. stark. I would hope Robb won't come back with a wolf head, for example. The dead should stay dead or "killing" main characters is a cheap ploy. [/sp][/QUOTE] All books but mostly 3 and 5 [sp]I do agree it can be cheap, though I don't draw a huge distinction between Beric and Catelyn, but honestly is the Catelyn that came back the same one? Yes, it's her body, her memories, her in basically every sense, but it's not. As the books went on we watched Catelyn, however subtly, go mad from grief and despair, culminating in her cutting Jinglebell's throat after Roose Bolton killed Robb. When she came back, after three days of rot and melt, she was entirely changed. Gone are the compassion and nobility of Catelyn Tully-Stark, and now she is not but a blood thirsty, grief and vengeance mad ruined wreck that is a mockery of the Catelyn we came to love. Yeah he brought Catelyn back to life, but I'd never say he brought back the character of Catelyn Stark[/sp]
[QUOTE=BarnacleDrive;45228391]All book spoilers [sp]bringing back a PoV character like Catelyn, days after she's been dead, and books after we last saw her, made it feel contrived to me.[/sp][/QUOTE]book 3/4[sp]she's brought back in the same book though? and arya dreams about pulling her out of the river as nymeria, it's not out of the blue. like the previous post said, cats dead. LS is a figure of vengeance and not a positive one, she's literally a monster, her being brought back days after she is dead is sort of the point. she gives closure (or hopefully is gonna) for the red wedding, brienne's oath, jaime's lack of keeping oaths, berics devotion the stark cause and more value to the brotherhood without banners story (especially regarding their radicalization) otherwise all of these things lead to no pay-off. everything regarding her mental state & the BWB is set-up for her resurrection, otherwise what is it for? just a woman and her family getting murdered while she hits breaking point? that's sad. why would GRRM include everything about beric he losing a bit of himself every time he comes back. like.. how can you not find the idea of someone so broken being brought back out of love (berics) and turning out to be a force of pure hate. the fact that she's not a positive character gives credence to her resurrection itself, nothing cheap about it.[/sp]
[QUOTE=Emperor Scorpious II;45226095]Dragons have 4 legs, wiverns have 2.[/QUOTE] Yeah but Wyvern sounds way less intimidating than Dragon. Wyvern sounds like the name of a tiny screeching creature that lives in caves and dies when it's touched by sunlight, Dragon reflects a gigantic reptilian murder machine that spits fire way more for that matter, two-legged or not. Also not every fantasy book is set in the same universe which is why stuff like Kobold are sometimes closer to mammals and sometimes they're closer to reptiles depending on the world.
You've also got to remember that, from the point of starks [sp] Every other stark is presumed dead (except for sansa who's missing. jon, who's not quite a stark and isn't realy considered a viable option by anyone else ) Rickon and bran killed by theon. Rob dead. Arya presumed dead at worst and unfindable at best. Ned is dead. Benjen is almost certainly dead. [/sp] [sp] Honestly, I'm not suprised that the killing of iron men, lanisters, boltons and freys might be considered a sport by grief stricken, childless widows. [/sp] Book 5 ending (or was it Four?) [sp] I think brienne/jamie will get away from LSH by telling her comforting information about the children [/sp]
[QUOTE=benzi2k7;45229350]book 3/4[sp]berics devotion the stark cause[/sp][/QUOTE] Book 3 4 5 all who knows??? [sp]Only part I disagree with. Beric may have respected Ned, and he took his original orders from Ned, but Beric and the Brotherhood were no more Stark men than they were anyone else's. They hung Lannisters because they were raping the Riverlands. If they had been based in the Westerlands they would have been hanging Starks, who were raping the Westerlands at the time.[/sp]
Goddamn, the end of s3e9 My jaw dropped, jesus christ. [sp]I knew something was fishy with the wedding, but godddddddddddddamn. [/sp]
BOOK [sp]I've been thinking about Lady Stoneheart, and how she was made was REALLY REALLY fucking dumb. First of all, why in gods name would Thoros not revive Catelyn? If he has the power, and it won't kill him, then why wouldn't he do it? Even moreso once Berric Dondarrion is about to fucking give his life to revive her. If anyone remembers the part of fallout (fallout 3 spoilers), where you ask Fawkes to go into the radioactive room because he's immune to radiation and he just says "this is your destiny, you have to do it." Moreover, why then would Berric, leader of perhaps the most successful outlaw group in history, give his life to save a woman with ZERO experience commanding armies, and who he has NEVER met. And why would anyone let him?[/sp]
[QUOTE=DaysBefore;45230334]Book 3 4 5 all who knows??? [sp]Only part I disagree with. Beric may have respected Ned, and he took his original orders from Ned, but Beric and the Brotherhood were no more Stark men than they were anyone else's. They hung Lannisters because they were raping the Riverlands. If they had been based in the Westerlands they would have been hanging Starks, who were raping the Westerlands at the time.[/sp][/QUOTE][sp]i should have said neds cause of justice rather :( woops but yes you're right[/sp]
Finished s4e1 today. Can't wait to finish it all tomorrow.
I always thought of dragons like a T Rex with wings, two legs with two small arms. To me that's more realistic, since by being able to fly they will spend much less time on all fours, so over time they evolve to have smaller front legs which are now arms. Since they can burn stuff, they don't need to run after anything, another reason not to have four legs.
[QUOTE=Emperor Scorpious II;45218466]Which is basically a spoiler to all those who have read the books. It has turned full circle.[/QUOTE] Good point.
Finished the whole show in less than 2 weeks. Binged watched all of s3 and s4 in the past 2 days :V Show spoilers [sp]I feel proud for Tyrion, getting his revenge before he left. [/sp] The Hound and Little Finger are probably my favorite characters.
The show is so far away from now that I don't even care about reading book spoilers :v:
Whilst the show is gone: read the books. Read thy fucking books Yes, the shortest one is over 800 pages. But you don't need to read it in one go. Finish the third book and you'l be on par with the show+ some stuff that the show missed. The downside; The books leave you far more speculative and there's a few prophecies/dreams in there that foreshadow a fair bit. Also reading the book is the best way to remember the names of characters in the show) Tips/info: - Try to forget everything from the TV series. Especialy if you find something missing in the book that wasn't in the TV series. -fourth book is worst book. - You may want to consider skipping the brienne chapters. The book version is far less interesting and does far less. - Don't skip the cersei chapters. You may be tempted to, but shit happens.
I don't really think you should skip any chapters tbh
[QUOTE=The Jack;45246234]Whilst the show is gone: read the books. Read thy fucking books Yes, the shortest one is over 800 pages. But you don't need to read it in one go. Finish the third book and you'l be on par with the show+ some stuff that the show missed. The downside; The books leave you far more speculative and there's a few prophecies/dreams in there that foreshadow a fair bit. Also reading the book is the best way to remember the names of characters in the show) Tips/info: - Try to forget everything from the TV series. Especialy if you find something missing in the book that wasn't in the TV series. -fourth book is worst book. - You may want to consider skipping the brienne chapters. The book version is far less interesting and does far less. - Don't skip the cersei chapters. You may be tempted to, but shit happens.[/QUOTE] or do what i did browse a wiki site or /got/
or just read it tbh, the books are really cool and delve more into the thoughts of the characters, some of the wikis are sometimes missing info
Book one, two and three are good. Then for book five George went "I won't do this chronologically. I'm going to have book four filled with mostly shit POV characters and book five can have the greats"
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[QUOTE=The Jack;45246234]Whilst the show is gone: read the books. Read thy fucking books Yes, the shortest one is over 800 pages. But you don't need to read it in one go. Finish the third book and you'l be on par with the show+ some stuff that the show missed. The downside; The books leave you far more speculative and there's a few prophecies/dreams in there that foreshadow a fair bit. Also reading the book is the best way to remember the names of characters in the show) Tips/info: - Try to forget everything from the TV series. Especialy if you find something missing in the book that wasn't in the TV series. -fourth book is worst book. - You may want to consider skipping the brienne chapters. The book version is far less interesting and does far less. - Don't skip the cersei chapters. You may be tempted to, but shit happens.[/QUOTE] I actually didn't mind Brienne chapters at all. Also no matter how dull some chapters may get, don't skip.
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