Game of Thrones version IV: Preface your spoilers with BOOK or SHOW
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Wilko Johnson "Illyn Payne" said he is cancer free.
Surviving pancreatic cancer is like surviving getting shot in the head. Really great news I remember hearing he had only mere months left.
[QUOTE=GrizzlyBear;46311602]Surviving pancreatic cancer is like surviving getting shot in the head. Really great news I remember hearing he had only mere months left.[/QUOTE]
There are nicer types of pancreatic cancer.
Jesus fuck at this stage I'm wondering if they're just really accelerating the show's plot, or taking detours but still following the book, or if they're branching off from the books entirely
If anyone hasn't got the World of Ice and Fire... it's really... REALLY interesting. Like, it shows how little the main ASOIAF series shows.
I'll summarize some of the more interesting moments. It's a big wall of text, but trust me, it's good.
[sp]Sothoryos is a southern continent, home to massive crocodiles who overturn boats and eat the sailors, a species of near men referred to as the "Brindled Men", who are somewhere between chimps and humans and can't reproduce with normal humans. Oh, and Wyverns, a species close to dragons who cannot breathe fire. There are also tales of Lizard men, who were killed by the Brindled Men. These lizard men may be responsible for the city of yeen, built out of massive oily black stones that would take a dozen elephants to move.
Then there's the people of the thousand isles, who have green skin and are completely hairless. The women of which file their teeth into razors to circumcise the males.
Then of course, there's Asshai, which is fucking bizarre. It's a city more massive than any others, and yet scarcely populated, and pretty much only populated by terrible people such as, sorcerers, alchemists, necromancers, red priests, torturers, etc. It also lies on a black river, that glows fluorescent at night, and the fish that swim in it are twisted and mutated, and the creatures further into the city are just as mutated and twisted. Basically, it's really fucked.
Yi Ti is basically the Ancient China of Essos, with Jade Emperors, and that kind of thing, but there is one moment that is interesting, when Hyrkoon the Hero, or as you may now him, Azor Ahai, fending off the dark beasts that were inhabiting Yi Ti, and reclaimed it once more.
But to me, the most interesting moment comes with Leng. Leng was once part of the empire of Yi Ti, but broke off four hundred years ago. It is inhabited by immensely strong apes, odd ruins, and mysterious mazes. But that isn't the interesting part. The interesting part is that Empress of Leng keeps in contact with ancient gods, who live in the subterranean ruins beneath Leng. From time to time, a warrior will go down and try to face these gods with all of them being killed or driven mad. These gods are referred to as "the Old Ones".
Yep, put all this together, and it means that ASOIAF is set in the fucking Cthulhu mythos. Holy shit.[/sp]
stuff like that and the universe as a whole just makes westeros seem so [I]boring[/I]
[QUOTE=PollytheParrot;46360966]stuff like that and the universe as a whole just makes westeros seem so [I]boring[/I][/QUOTE]
Well, most of westeros anyway. [sp]From what I've read, WOIAF makes a very compelling case for the Drowned God being a certain, tentacled great old one, as well, it says that there are Deep Ones, servants of the Drowned God, who are the inspiration for the mermen of legend. There is also a recurring theme of oily black stone being some kind of eldritch thing, as some evil cities (such as Azor Ahai) are built entirely of it. And the seastone chair is made out of oily black stone.
In a nutshell, the Greyjoys and all of the Iron Islands are fucking Cthulhu cultists.
From that you could figure out that this "Storm God" the Ironborn fear, is actually one of the few good lovecraftian gods, Nodens.
Basically, the Ironborn are really fucking evil. Like, way more evil than we ever thought, seeing as how they are trying to summon fucking Cthulhu.[/sp]
Actually I always thought [sp]Ironborn had connections to the Others. "What is dead may never die" and all that[/sp]
Either way I don't know if that book should really be considered cannon.
[QUOTE=thrawn2787;46364705]Actually I always thought [sp]Ironborn had connections to the Others. "What is dead may never die" and all that[/sp]
Either way I don't know if that book should really be considered cannon.[/QUOTE]
It was written almost entirely by GRRM. You can NOT consider it canon, in the same way if you don't like any of the books in the main series, you can decide they're not canon.
But for all intents and purposes, it's definitely canon. Also, like 90% of popular series have Lovecraft references in them. Doctor Who, Buffy, Discworld. And now ASOIAF. Well, it has always been there, Carcosa was a damn place on the map, and the ironborn were an obvious cthulhu reference. But it was never this explicit.
[QUOTE=Funktastic Dog;46359528]If anyone hasn't got the World of Ice and Fire... it's really... REALLY interesting. Like, it shows how little the main ASOIAF series shows.
I'll summarize some of the more interesting moments. It's a big wall of text, but trust me, it's good.
[sp]Sothoryos is a southern continent, home to massive crocodiles who overturn boats and eat the sailors, a species of near men referred to as the "Brindled Men", who are somewhere between chimps and humans and can't reproduce with normal humans. Oh, and Wyverns, a species close to dragons who cannot breathe fire. There are also tales of Lizard men, who were killed by the Brindled Men. These lizard men may be responsible for the city of yeen, built out of massive oily black stones that would take a dozen elephants to move.
Then there's the people of the thousand isles, who have green skin and are completely hairless. The women of which file their teeth into razors to circumcise the males.
Then of course, there's Asshai, which is fucking bizarre. It's a city more massive than any others, and yet scarcely populated, and pretty much only populated by terrible people such as, sorcerers, alchemists, necromancers, red priests, torturers, etc. It also lies on a black river, that glows fluorescent at night, and the fish that swim in it are twisted and mutated, and the creatures further into the city are just as mutated and twisted. Basically, it's really fucked.
Yi Ti is basically the Ancient China of Essos, with Jade Emperors, and that kind of thing, but there is one moment that is interesting, when Hyrkoon the Hero, or as you may now him, Azor Ahai, fending off the dark beasts that were inhabiting Yi Ti, and reclaimed it once more.
But to me, the most interesting moment comes with Leng. Leng was once part of the empire of Yi Ti, but broke off four hundred years ago. It is inhabited by immensely strong apes, odd ruins, and mysterious mazes. But that isn't the interesting part. The interesting part is that Empress of Leng keeps in contact with ancient gods, who live in the subterranean ruins beneath Leng. From time to time, a warrior will go down and try to face these gods with all of them being killed or driven mad. These gods are referred to as "the Old Ones".
Yep, put all this together, and it means that ASOIAF is set in the fucking Cthulhu mythos. Holy shit.[/sp][/QUOTE]
Why is this not in the show
Why is this not in the BOOKS
yeah thats kind of why im not considering it canon until it shows up in the main books
Consider it like the Star Wars EU
Doesn't make it not true, just makes it cooler as fuck
As far as I'm concerned, until Martin comes out and officially says the book [I]isn't[/I] canon, I'm going to keep thinking it is. He wrote the book and overviewed it, why would he waste the time and, more importantly, creative ideas on fan fiction of his own damn world. That's just idiotic and he's never striked me as such.
All I'm seeing is people that don't like what the book presents and stick to novel purity so they can continue their wishful thinking.
[QUOTE=PollytheParrot;46371788]Consider it like the Star Wars EU
Doesn't make it not true, just makes it cooler as fuck[/QUOTE]
It's a little more than Star Wars EU. Considering it's one of the only 6 books written for the series.
It's more like the Silmarillion.
GRRM himself pretty much said it's canon.
This is from the 9th episode of season 5. Major spoilers. You've been warned! [url]http://tinypic.com/player.php?v=2el87jr%3E&s=8#.VFa2N8lnAxF[/url]
Well that looks uncomfortable.
[QUOTE=TheFilmSlacker;46399606]Not really major spoilers in my opinion. It's not like there's any named characters there that we know of [sp] getting set on fire there. [/sp][/QUOTE]
Well, it's more about what it's related to. (Book spoilers) [sp]Seeing as how its in this scene where Daenerys decides that whole "being a queen" thing wasn't really that much fun and decides to go on a magical Drogon adventure instead!
For real, I both can't believe theyre doing it this early and at the same time completely understand why they're doing it this early. AFFC+ADWD is really long and not much happens.[/sp]
I'm pretty sure 50% of AFFC is [sp]The siege on Riverrun and bringing down Margaery. [/sp]
I guess we should be prepared to see quite a lot of new material coming season.
From season 6 onwards the majority of the show will be new stuff.
(Please release TWOW soon GRRM...)
My parents just started watching GoT, they're at episode 2 now
It's so hard not to spoil any of the awesome things to come
The show is kinda screwed in trying to avoid the unwritten books - even if George manages to get the next book out before it's corresponding season, there's no way in hell he'll get the last book out before that one's corresponding seasons.
[B][U]BOOK/SHOW SPOILERS: Speculation[/U][/B]
[sp] It is safe to say Jon's parents are Lyanna and Rhaegar.
What about Eddard's dream about Lyanna saying, "Promise me, Ned"? Is there another intended purpose of that scene?
"She made her brother give a promise, the content of which remains unknown, as Eddard apparently never shared Lyanna's secret with anyone"--- http://awoiaf.westeros.org/index.php/Rhaegar
Did she not die in a "bed of blood", OR soon die after being found? She could have been giving birth/given birth to Jon at the time and asked to Ned to raise him, as she was dying.
And what about the scene in a early chapter with Tyrion and Jon comparing themselves and their problems in AGOT? There could be some intended irony about how Jon was born the same way into the world, like Tyrion.
I also find the Battle at the Trident to be a very "grey" event, there is no way it's black and white. Hero kills black knight, rescues his kidnapped love, etc.
Rhaegar was described by Sir Barristen and others to be "a honorable man". He was the "Last Dragon", but his immunity to fire, etc, were passed down to Dany. Could she have the same honorable traits? Considering she was not insane like her brother. Hence the," flipping of the coin". Also the fever dream in which she lifts Rhaegar's helmet/visor in the dream, and sees her own face. That could mean Rhaegar intended to be good, was a honorable man, and Lyanna ran off with him, behind Robert, with all consent given. It seems to pair up with her "secret" with Ned, asking Ned to protect Jon. The Targaryan's view point on Lyanna's kidnapping could very well be true, as everything about their love was consenting.
IDK, it seems to add up. In a lot of ways TBH. [/sp]
Specutation Book/show spoiler [sp] I don't think I have ever seen anyone call bullshit on R + L. [/sp]
[QUOTE=GrizzlyBear;46433748]Specutation Book/show spoiler [sp] I don't think I have ever seen anyone call bullshit on R + L. [/sp][/QUOTE]
Some one posted the same theory a while back, and it was debated, a little.
Guys what if [sp]Ned fucked his own sister and Jon was born of incest? Wouldn't that be a fun plottwist?[/sp]
[QUOTE=GrizzlyBear;46433748]Specutation Book/show spoiler [sp] I don't think I have ever seen anyone call bullshit on R + L. [/sp][/QUOTE]
Or that (books) [sp]Jon Snow will obv be revived by Melisandre
Jon Snow is as dead as he is Ned Starks bastard.[/sp]
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