• Game of Thrones version IV: Preface your spoilers with BOOK or SHOW
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Yeah, that's weird. They made the tunnels bigger and the top of the wall smaller.
[QUOTE=ElectronicG19;43524024]because he stops caring about his appearance when he loses his hand, it's part of his character shift. He literally doesn't give a shit about anything. Plus I'm pretty sure he thinks his beard suits him in the book.[/QUOTE] I didn't recognize him in the trailer until I heard him speak.
Is that Syrio Forel in the trailer at 0:15? The person really looks like him and does that weird hand motion, just like how he would handle his sword.
well shit i was gonna wait until i fully caught up with the show before posting in this thread but i just finished s2e7, the one ending with [sp]theon presenting the two burned stark boys[/sp] i haven't felt my heart jump like that in quite a while [sp]of course then it dawned on me that those were actually the two boys from that house he stopped at, and he simply didn't want the people to see him as a failure because he has daddy issues lol needless to say theon can go fuck himself[/sp] also dat music [media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D-OnuOC2yQ8[/media]
Hold judgement on Theon until you see S3 or read book 5
[QUOTE=ElectronicG19;43532558]Hold judgement on Theon until you see S3 or read book 5[/QUOTE] Word. Minor(?) spoilers: [sp]No one should have to go trough what he did[/sp]
[sp]No, Theon can still go fuck himself. Lets see, he betrayed his family and everyone who believed in and supported him for his entire life for a father who despised him. He returned and laid waste to the place that had been his home for years and killed a bunch of his real countrymen. You're asking me to feel sorry for him? Nope. I'd say sew his dick back on, and then cut it off again[/sp]
[QUOTE=PollytheParrot;43533671][sp]No, Theon can still go fuck himself. Lets see, he betrayed his family and everyone who believed in and supported him for his entire life for a father who despised him. He returned and laid waste to the place that had been his home for years and killed a bunch of his real countrymen. You're asking me to feel sorry for him? Nope. I'd say sew his dick back on, and then cut it off again[/sp][/QUOTE] To be fair, the northmen never really considered Theon to be anything other than a long term hostage. Not family nor considered the region his home. He essentially orphaned himself when [sp]he put his allegiance to the the Iron Islands.[/sp]
[QUOTE=PollytheParrot;43533671][sp]No, Theon can still go fuck himself. Lets see, he betrayed his family and everyone who believed in and supported him for his entire life for a father who despised him. He returned and laid waste to the place that had been his home for years and killed a bunch of his real countrymen. You're asking me to feel sorry for him? Nope. I'd say sew his dick back on, and then cut it off again[/sp][/QUOTE] im sorry but imagine being him [sp] kidnapped in childhood, being forced into loving your kidnappers. returning home expecting a loving father and triumphant return, only to find everyone there thinks you're a prick, so he tries to regain their love and respect by laying waste to his kidnappers. he then gets kidnapped AGAIN and tortured and mentally broken, until he believes he's another person [/sp]
[sp]Kidnapped? hardly. He isn't forced into loving his "kidnappers", they show him care and love regardless. Your conclusions are your own. Now "regaining love and respect" by laying waste to so called "kidnappers"? Lol? How is that justified in any way? Its not. The dude is a fucking twat, plain and simple and deserved everything coming to him. Nothing will convince me otherwise[/sp]
he was forcibly taken from his home and held hostage how is that not being kidnapped?
FUCK [sp]I just cried. FUCK the red wedding[/sp] Surprisingly having it spoiled for me didn't make it any less effective
[QUOTE=Bloodshot12;43536799]FUCK [sp]I just cried. FUCK the red wedding[/sp] Surprisingly having it spoiled for me didn't make it any less effective[/QUOTE] I didn't watch it so much as savor the reactions of people who did watch it. Made it a lot easier.
[QUOTE=ElectronicG19;43535959]he was forcibly taken from his home and held hostage how is that not being kidnapped?[/QUOTE] I think you need to look at the history a bit closer. The Greyjoy Rebellion ended, and Theon was given as a hostage to the Starks by Balon. It's a concept that is used quite often in our world as well. He was not literally dognapped in the middle of the night by the KKK or something, he simply changed possession from Balon to the Starks under the threat where if Balon were to rebel again he would executed. You make everything sound like he's just this poor victim and because of his unusual upbringing is somehow not to be held responsible for his actions, which I disagree with wholeheartedly. The same shit happens in our world. If you have some kid who had a less than ideal childhood being passed around foster homes and then you turn into some serial killer rapist and murder and rape 20 women, the judge and jury aren't going to say "oh poor him, he had a tough life, we'll just give you 5 hours of community service :/"
[QUOTE=PollytheParrot;43537653]I think you need to look at the history a bit closer. The Greyjoy Rebellion ended, and Theon was given as a hostage to the Starks by Balon. It's a concept that is used quite often in our world as well. He was not literally dognapped in the middle of the night by the KKK or something, he simply changed possession from Balon to the Starks under the threat where if Balon were to rebel again he would executed. You make everything sound like he's just this poor victim and because of his unusual upbringing is somehow not to be held responsible for his actions, which I disagree with wholeheartedly. The same shit happens in our world. If you have some kid who had a less than ideal childhood being passed around foster homes and then you turn into some serial killer rapist and murder and rape 20 women, the judge and jury aren't going to say "oh poor him, he had a tough life, we'll just give you 5 hours of community service :/"[/QUOTE] but thats the problem there wasn't a jury and justice had nothing to do with it. excusing his shit childhood (mental torture), the fact that he murdered a few people and raped a woman, just as Robb Stark's army no doubt was at the time, does not make it okay to skin him alive.
So what would you do with him? If you're King in the North fighting against the most powerful house in Westeros and you receive news that the guy you considered to almost be your brother has betrayed you and taken your home, you'd just send a messenger with a letter saying "its okay I forgive you"? Lock him up and throw away the key because I've got bigger shit to do right now honestly is what I'd say [editline]14th January 2014[/editline] Honestly I'm curious what you guys would've done with him. You haven't really convinced me that he's not a sack of shit
[sp]Theon is a sack of shit who only felt sorry for what he had done when it was convenient. But he still shouldn't have had to go through Ramseys' madness. I say he should've burned at the stake.[/sp]
[QUOTE=Swebonny;43489840][media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ih3WsEKmID0[/media][/QUOTE] I thought this article was helpful, this matches each scene in the trailer to a part in the book - I've read the books but couldn't quite place everything [url]http://www.ign.com/wikis/game-of-thrones/Season_4_Trailer_Analysis[/url]
just finished season 2 and now i need to change my pants
Just wait until you see 3
[QUOTE=HybridTheroy;43539121][sp]Theon is a sack of shit who only felt sorry for what he had done when it was convenient. But he still shouldn't have had to go through Ramseys' madness. I say he should've burned at the stake.[/sp][/QUOTE] [sp]He should've died in the sack of winterfell, I think[/sp]
[QUOTE=PollytheParrot;43537653]I think you need to look at the history a bit closer. The Greyjoy Rebellion ended, and Theon was given as a hostage to the Starks by Balon. It's a concept that is used quite often in our world as well. He was not literally dognapped in the middle of the night by the KKK or something, he simply changed possession from Balon to the Starks under the threat where if Balon were to rebel again he would executed. You make everything sound like he's just this poor victim and because of his unusual upbringing is somehow not to be held responsible for his actions, which I disagree with wholeheartedly. The same shit happens in our world. If you have some kid who had a less than ideal childhood being passed around foster homes and then you turn into some serial killer rapist and murder and rape 20 women, the judge and jury aren't going to say "oh poor him, he had a tough life, we'll just give you 5 hours of community service :/"[/QUOTE] I seriously doubt Balon had a choice in giving Theon, his only son after the rebellion, away for a decade.
He obviously didn't, that was the point. In surrendering to someone you're usually at their mercy
uhh i would have just murdered him, not have him [sp] fucking flayed and psychologically broken [/sp]
Marathoned Season 1 and 2 a few weeks before Christmas, but since then I just haven't brought myself to watch season 3.
I love the character of Theon. I'm not sure if he "deserved" it or not, but just the fact that he can spark a discussion like that, with all the participants equally convinced of their stance on whether he deserved the treatment he received or not makes him a great character. It just goes to show that JRRM is a fucking brilliant author who has mastered the technique of creating morally ambiguous situations in his books. GoT has most of my all time favorite fictional characters because they're so dynamic and morally complex. Now get off your ass and write the next book you fat lazy fuck oh god I'm sorry please don't die of old age I love you just write the fucking book pleasepleaseplease
I don't think there's rally any character who's [I]not[/I] morally ambiguous in his books, except Sam Tarly I guess. Certainly refreshing after so much fantasy being good vs evil
[QUOTE=DaysBefore;43551607]I don't think there's rally any character who's [I]not[/I] morally ambiguous in his books, except Sam Tarly I guess. Certainly refreshing after so much fantasy being good vs evil[/QUOTE] Joffrey is definitely not morally ambiguous, nor is Ramsay :v:
[QUOTE=Emperor Scorpious II;43551680]Joffrey is definitely not morally ambiguous, nor is Ramsay :v:[/QUOTE] Joffrey - Mom is a psycho who raisied him wrong, child of incest AND daddy issues Ramsay - Daddy issues and the circumstances of his birth and raising Technically neither of their faults that they're fucked up
[QUOTE=Emperor Scorpious II;43551680]Joffrey is definitely not morally ambiguous, nor is Ramsay :v:[/QUOTE] Yeah fair enough
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