Hallucinogens: Psychedelics, Dissociatives, and Deliriants. History, effects, explanations - General

I'm not a frequent drug user, but I have done LSD about 4 times now. Very interesting experience. My first trip was terrible because I was hesitant about taking it, and very critical of myself for doing so afterwards. I felt terrible anxiousness, got pain in my midsection and the drive back home with my friends was terrifying because of the trance techno playing, with a voice screaming "OO AH" every 3 seconds, I started to trip out bad. 2nd and 3rd were considerably better, because I went into with a more open and willing mind, looking to enjoy the experience rather than just survive it. Me and my friend went down to a lake and sat there watching people do shit across the other side and questioning the meaning of existence and other heavy topics. However I still had extreme problems being in a public place while on LSD, we had to stop to get money once, and it was so terrifying that I was sweating and fucking up, so i freaked out and ran back to the car and told my friend to go get the money.

[QUOTE=JaegerMonster;30023451]I'm not a frequent drug user, but I have done LSD about 4 times now. Very interesting experience. My first trip was terrible because I was hesitant about taking it, and very critical of myself for doing so afterwards. I felt terrible anxiousness, got pain in my midsection and the drive back home with my friends was terrifying because of the trance techno playing, with a voice screaming "OO AH" every 3 seconds, I started to trip out bad. 2nd and 3rd were considerably better, because I went into with a more open and willing mind, looking to enjoy the experience rather than just survive it. Me and my friend went down to a lake and sat there watching people do shit across the other side and questioning the meaning of existence and other heavy topics. However I still had extreme problems being in a public place while on LSD, we had to stop to get money once, and it was so terrifying that I was sweating and fucking up, so i freaked out and ran back to the car and told my friend to go get the money.[/QUOTE] LSD can be intense if you don't have your personal philosophical views set in stone since it causes so much introversion.

can you get a section going on ambien? and is 15 mg enough to trip for a first time user? (weed shall be involved as well)

[QUOTE=Stormcharger;30022609]You experienced with them? Any bad affects or anything? I was always curious about them but then everyone says dont fucking do it its terrible.[/QUOTE] Honestly that is some decent advice. Deliriants aren't for everyone. I enjoy them because they're extremely random and just utterly bizarre. For example, on deliriants, you might get a call from your dead grandmother inviting you over for tea and despite being completely aware of the fact that your grandmother is dead, you will find nothing out of the ordinary. Even when later discovering that you don't even own a cell phone. You'll often get extremely frustrated with a person standing in front of you, imitating everything you do, yet it will never occur to you that you're staring at a mirror. The hallucinations can range from distorted, transparent silhouettes of animals and giant spiders (in fact, one of the most common hallucinations are spiders or bugs everywhere. Every time I do it I always see flies darting around on walls and on the floor), to realistic people that speak only in unintelligent, broken sentences, to full on hallucinations of being in completely different places. It also completely destroys your mind's ability to recognize things, so a fire hydrant could look exactly like a small midget. They are dangerous as shit. You have no real control over yourself when fully delirious. However, the experiences they grant you are just so bizarre and otherworldly that I find them kind of hard to resist. As long as you have a determined and trustworthy trip sitter and don't do an insane amount then you can have a great (read: terrifying) time. The side effects do kind of suck though. Horrid cotton mouth, restless leg syndrome, having to pee constantly, shrinking dick syndrome (I just made that name up, but it does make your dick attempt to retreat into your body), feeling like you weigh hundreds of pounds, extreme drowsiness (though this is combated by the fact that a group of invisible midgets have just entered your room and are now jumping on your bed), etc. Nothing permanent though that I have noticed, and I've done it a few times.

A friend of mine is going to be trying DMT soon, do you guys have any suggestions/comments/cautions, bearing in mind that he's reviewed the erowid article a few times now.

[QUOTE=HellSoldier;30055092]A friend of mine is going to be trying DMT soon, do you guys have any suggestions/comments/cautions, bearing in mind that he's reviewed the erowid article a few times now.[/QUOTE] If you're smoking it, make sure to smoke it with a screen, or on top of weed or something. Don't hold the flame to it for too long, too much heat kills the DMT. Make sure to brace yourself for the smoke, it isn't very pleasant. If you're trying for two hits or more, make sure to do it quickly, you won't have very much time to take hits before you start to trip (and at that point, you'll be too fucked to physically be capable of taking another) Make sure to do it somewhere safe. Set and setting is absolutely vital. I'd recommend doing it out in nature, in a secluded place somewhere. Also, be sure to have a trip sitter, he'll need one for his first time.

[QUOTE=Furioso;30055215]If you're smoking it, make sure to smoke it with a screen, or on top of weed or something. Don't hold the flame to it for too long, too much heat kills the DMT. Make sure to brace yourself for the smoke, it isn't very pleasant. If you're trying for two hits or more, make sure to do it quickly, you won't have very much time to take hits before you start to trip (and at that point, you'll be too fucked to physically be capable of taking another) Make sure to do it somewhere safe. Set and setting is absolutely vital. I'd recommend doing it out in nature, in a secluded place somewhere. Also, be sure to have a trip sitter, he'll need one for his first time.[/QUOTE] He's somewhat adamant in doing it alone - what are the possible responses that would come out of this which would deem usefulness of the sitter?

Maybe this should be put in OP as well? [url]http://www.stumbleupon.com/su/2WnQIh/en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Drug_urban_legend[/url]

[QUOTE=HellSoldier;30055333]He's somewhat adamant in doing it alone - what are the possible responses that would come out of this which would deem usefulness of the sitter?[/QUOTE] Sitters are pretty useless on DMT. As long as there aren't any sharp objects around for him to fall on, he should be fine. Just tell him to surround himself in pillows and get as comfortable as possible.

[QUOTE=HellSoldier;30055333]He's somewhat adamant in doing it alone - what are the possible responses that would come out of this which would deem usefulness of the sitter?[/QUOTE] You can't really predict what happens when you trip - this is why a trip sitter is useful, especially for a first time, when you're truly unprepared for what's to come. I had a friend smoke DMT alone once - he ended up rolling around on the ground outside and he scratched up his arms and his face. Fucked up his clothes, too. And that's in, what, a ten minute trip. [editline]25th May 2011[/editline] mugofdoom is somewhat right, DMT is way too short to have anything serious happen for which a trip sitter would be needed, but I'd recommend it just in case. You never know what could happen.

I'm assuming a well-furnished bed that lies low on the ground would be a solution to most problems, then? It doesn't seem like the damage may get that extensive.

If he's intent on doing it alone, then that would be perfect. Personally though, I'd just lie on the floor with pillows and blankets rather than on a bed.

Sounds like a deal then, thanks.

Smoked some DMT today. The trip started two seconds after exhaling and lasted for about ten. The initial rush felt like going over the first drop of a rollercoaster. I flopped onto my bed and the room came alive. I closed my eyes and watched eyes emerge from rapidly blooming orchids. Then eyes began to open on the petals, the leaves, the stalks, and even the sky - the universe became one entity and tried to communicate with me, but I couldn't understand what it said (or I don't remember) What a trip

That sounds awesome. What was the dose? I heard you have to take about 20mg+ to get into the real dreaming state.

I want to make my own DMT :(

[QUOTE=breakyourfac;30099079]I want to make my own DMT :([/QUOTE] My friend tells me it's unbelievably easy with a [I]relatively[/I] low start up cost. He says Erowid hosts many guides. Hell, finding the right people and sharing ideas with friends would give someone a nice profit.

Tried N20 for the first time an hour ago. Quite a different experience, but I didn't hallucinate.

[QUOTE=breakyourfac;30099079]I want to make my own DMT :([/QUOTE] [url]http://www.dmtextraction.org/phalaris1dmtextraction.htm[/url] In a few weeks me and a friend with chemistry background are making a batch of DMT. If all goes well we are purchasing enough bark for 5+ grams of finished DMT. We can sell it for $20 for a click, which we will probably weigh at 20mg. So, $1000 per gram. And although this is easy, if you were bad at basic chemistry (mixing acids/bases and separating layered liquids) you may have a little trouble. Also note there is a small amount of cancerous material you will handle.

$20 for 20mg...? Damn dude, that's pretty steep... I haven't *actually* seen any DMT around here, but I was kickin it with this chick a while back that had a bunch, sellin breakthrough experiences (I'm guessing at least 40-50mg) for $5

[QUOTE=Gods Hand;30095959]That sounds awesome. What was the dose? I heard you have to take about 20mg+ to get into the real dreaming state.[/QUOTE] I didn't measure it out, I'm guessing it was 20-25 mg. [editline]28th May 2011[/editline] [QUOTE=Anubis678;30104027]I haven't *actually* seen any DMT around here, but I was kickin it with this chick a while back that had a bunch, sellin breakthrough experiences (I'm guessing at least 40-50mg) for $5[/QUOTE] WOW, THAT'S A LOW PRICE! No seriously though, that's really cheap, you should have jumped on it while you had the chance [editline]28th May 2011[/editline] It's like $10 for 10 mg around here :I

She ran out quickly, and I didn't have her number :frown: $1/mg is fucking expensive. There's no way in hell I'd pay that much for a 5-minute experience...

Jesus, you guys get some steep prices. It's $15 for 100mgs here.

[QUOTE=Anubis678;30104027]$20 for 20mg...? Damn dude, that's pretty steep... I haven't *actually* seen any DMT around here, but I was kickin it with this chick a while back that had a bunch, sellin breakthrough experiences (I'm guessing at least 40-50mg) for $5[/QUOTE] Prices suck here, but people pay them. We may sell more for $20, but this is still months away from the final product. [editline]may[/editline] Selling for too cheap is a surefire way to get robbed. People get angry if everyone goes to you.

Ah, fair enough I haven't really looked through much of the extraction process. How much bark do you need, and how much does it go for? I'm trying to convince my buddy to do DMT with us, but he's hesitant. As soon as I start this job, and I got money in my pocket, I'm gonna order some bark and talk him into doing the extraction with me

[QUOTE=Anubis678;30104556]I haven't really looked through much of the extraction process. How much bark do you need, and how much does it go for?[/QUOTE] There are many sources of dmt, so the price and amount per gram of plant varies, but assuming best yields you could get 5-10 doses (275mg) from 30g mimosa hostilis root-bark. It's about $45 for 100grams of the root-bark.

Ah ok

[QUOTE=AbysalRush;30103959][url]http://www.dmtextraction.org/phalaris1dmtextraction.htm[/url] In a few weeks me and a friend with chemistry background are making a batch of DMT. If all goes well we are purchasing enough bark for 5+ grams of finished DMT. We can sell it for $20 for a click, which we will probably weigh at 20mg. So, $1000 per gram. And although this is easy, if you were bad at basic chemistry (mixing acids/bases and separating layered liquids) you may have a little trouble. Also note there is a small amount of cancerous material you will handle.[/QUOTE] You may want to refer to [url]http://www.erowid.org/plants/mimosa/mimosa_chemistry1.shtml[/url] instead, the QT guide is outdated and even archived in Erowid in replacement for this guide.

This info is very useful, thanks!

[QUOTE=Anubis678;30104446]She ran out quickly, and I didn't have her number :frown: $1/mg is fucking expensive. There's no way in hell I'd pay that much for a 5-minute experience...[/QUOTE] The drug culture around these parts is pretty limited. Meth is the biggest thing floating around besides weed. Things like DMT and mescaline are very hard to find (read: nigh impossible) and generally run at exorbitant prices. LSD and shrooms are a bit more common, but they usually only turn up every couple months or so (and when they do, all doses are sold within days) [editline]28th May 2011[/editline] Gonna work on the deliriants section tonight, starting with belladonna, datura, and DPH/DHM