Hallucinogens: Psychedelics, Dissociatives, and Deliriants. History, effects, explanations - General

[QUOTE=Rick Ross;31025734]You should read the thread before posting.[/QUOTE] I don't feel Olney's lesions need to be mentioned. DXM as an example has been shown to cause lesions in RATS at 75MG/KG. (Note a 20+mg/kg can be fatal to humans) [quote]The dose given to rats was the anesthetic dose, which is [B]much[/B] higher than recreational doses (in mg/kg).[/quote] [quote]While DXM has been shown to cause vacuolization in rats' brains with injection of DXM, oral administration of DXM in rats did not cause vacuolization.[2][3] As most recreational users are not going to be injecting DXM, vacuolization is unlikely to occur.[/quote] [quote]Rats metabolize DXM differently than humans. As DXO is a stronger NMDA receptor antagonist than DXM, this would make the effects of NAN more pronounced in rats. Studies on monkeys with MK-801 (dizocilpine), a much stronger NMDA receptor antagonist than DXM, had almost no effect on them yet profoundly disrupted rodent acquisition and performance of tasks identical or very similar to those used in monkeys at the same doses.[4][/quote] The person who says these lesions develop in humans even retracted his own statement that they do. William White is also NOT A DOCTOR! His claims of them developing come from "reports" that he has apparently received.

Yesterday, a buddy and I made some cactus juice from a pair of San Pedro cacti. The juice was a vile, evil-tasting liquid (like the most bitter cucumber ever) which made me gag almost every time I tried to drink it. We poured several packets of instant kool-aid into it to dull the taste, but it barely helped. Over time, though, we managed to nurse away at it until we began to feel residual effects of mescaline. My friend could no longer stomach the stuff, but I persevered until the once-full pitcher of cactus juice was empty. The first wave of effects felt like a very clean roll from ecstasy - a general feeling of well-being accompanied by an intense but not overwhelming body high. Soon, visual effects began to present themselves, as colors became striking and vibrant and trees and utility poles danced in the wind. Sources of light were surrounded by colorful halos, and certain objects showed a visible blue/purple aura, as though having been highlighted for being significant in some way. In this state, I went swimming. Water resembled jelly in its appearance, and felt no less than incredible against one's bare skin. The ripples on the surface always seemed to end in spirals or strange loops, which amazed and confused me at the same time. I basked in the warmth of the sun as I swam and savored the beauty of my surroundings. Under the effects of the cactus alkaloids, ideas and concepts seemed to gain an unexplained importance. I felt awe and inspiration from the simplest of things, like water or grass or even blankets and pillows. Later in the night, we lit a fire in a firepit and watched it dance in the cool air of the evening. The reflection of ripples on the water's surface outside combined with the eerie light of the fire and my perception of eyes and faces all around me made an otherwise normal, suburban backyard into a mystical, psychedelic realm. The trip was extremely clear-headed. There was none of the mindfuck present with other hallucinogens like acid or shrooms. In fact, I felt as though the cactus had merely improved my ability to socialize and understand ideas, which has made it my new favorite hallucinogen. Mescaline: it's the only way to fly! [editline]15th July 2011[/editline] I just realized how fucked up the OP is now thanks to the forum updates. Fuck. :suicide:

[QUOTE=Furioso;31144293]The trip was extremely clear-headed. There was none of the mindfuck present with other hallucinogens like acid or shrooms.[/QUOTE] now i want to try mescaline even more.

Furioso, that sounds like it was incredible - real tempted to try some now :P

[QUOTE=Rick Ross;30946788]You should put down that ketamine, DXM, and all NMDA antagonists have been documented to cause lesions in the brains of mice known as 'Olney's lesions.' [url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Olney%27s_lesions[/url] Because that's what I'd like to know.[/QUOTE] Olney's Lesions only happen in rats, it has never been documented in humans.

Hi. First time user here. I ingested around 300mg of DXM through a generic cough syrup that had 10mg/ml DXM (And Guaifenesin, which is supposed to induce vomiting at these doses) . Nearly unbearable to stomach and the effects didn't set in until nearly 2 hours later, but damn they hit me like a brick. I was very light headed and distracted, felt a warm sensation everywhere, and I felt like my senses were escalated. I could hear things very vividly and my sense of touch was altered in a way that made everything feel different. I never threw up, even though I downed more than half a ~300ml bottle. The effects lasted for a few hours, and I barely felt any sort of comedown other than a slight tense feeling in my head. It's been nearly 4 hours and I still feel a heightened state of awareness. I feel like I can hear more vividly, like sounds are more clear.

[QUOTE=MrWhite;31186230]Hi. First time user here. I ingested around 300mg of DXM through a generic cough syrup that had 10mg/ml DXM (And Guaifenesin, which is supposed to induce vomiting at these doses) . Nearly unbearable to stomach and the effects didn't set in until nearly 2 hours later, but damn they hit me like a brick. I was very light headed and distracted, felt a warm sensation everywhere, and I felt like my senses were escalated. I could hear things very vividly and my sense of touch was altered in a way that made everything feel different. I never threw up, even though I downed more than half a ~300ml bottle. The effects lasted for a few hours, and I barely felt any sort of comedown other than a slight tense feeling in my head. It's been nearly 4 hours and I still feel a heightened state of awareness. I feel like I can hear more vividly, like sounds are more clear.[/QUOTE] and the question is?

[QUOTE=t0cketty;31186661]and the question is?[/QUOTE] Well, is that anything to be concerned about? This is my first experience with recreational drug use, so I'm going to be a bit paranoid.

[QUOTE=MrWhite;31187365]Well, is that anything to be concerned about? This is my first experience with recreational drug use, so I'm going to be a bit paranoid.[/QUOTE] No, you're fine. You're probably peaking atm or you have the afterglow. Don't worry, just sit back and enjoy. During your afterglow you'll feel a tiny buzz, and then a minute later you'll feel high like a kite. Don't worry about that

Hey guys, I bought some shrooms, this is what they look like [IMG]http://i625.photobucket.com/albums/tt337/bull3tmagn3t1234/IMG-20121014-00227.jpg[/IMG] [IMG]http://i625.photobucket.com/albums/tt337/bull3tmagn3t1234/IMG-20121014-00226.jpg[/IMG] I'm just wondering if these will still get me high because they are the stems and no caps. Also, I'm gonna be doing it with my roommate and we were wondering if we should have a trip sitter. In my opinion I feel more comfortable with the idea of someone being with me while I'm tripping to make sure I don't hurt myself or others. I'm 18, weigh ~130 and smoke weed, and have done MDMA 3 or 4 times, and salvia once, we got 3.5 grams for both of us, how much should I take? I'm assuming 1.5gs for a solid first trip? P.S. in the pictures, that's not ALL the shrooms I have, but it all looks the same.

If you can I would get 1/8th for both of you, my first time I ate around 1.75g and I barely felt anything. If this is your first time doing any kind of psychedelic then it might be a good idea to have a trip sitter.

weird that you got no caps, I thought it was the caps that did everything

the caps have more active compounds but i don't think the difference is very significant.

[QUOTE=Stormcharger;38040924]weird that you got no caps, I thought it was the caps that did everything[/QUOTE] Both of the will make you trip unrelated question: might be doing Ayahuasca this week, anything I should know? I know what to expect out of it, but what sort of situation should I put myself in? was thinking about gong to the woods with some buds and an ipod, some speakers and pillows and lots of toilet paper.

[QUOTE=TamTamJam;38041044]the caps have more active compounds but i don't think the difference is very significant.[/QUOTE] I've read there was no difference. At any rate I'd bet it's negligible if it exists. Speaking of shrooms, my dad found an 1/8th I had earlier today and told me he's never tried shrooms before, but lots of acid. Lol :v:

[QUOTE=leet;38041871]I've read there was no difference. At any rate I'd bet it's negligible if it exists. Speaking of shrooms, my dad found an 1/8th I had earlier today and told me he's never tried shrooms before, but lots of acid. Lol :v:[/QUOTE] Let him take the eighth. That would be awesome.

oh cool, haven't seen this thread in a while I should update the OP anyway, found a really good batch of acid after testing a tab at a Shpongle set earlier this month, had a lovely trip with very little negative effects so I think I'm going to buy like 12 tabs and put them away for a rainy day (or 12)

Why no infos on delirants if you mention them in the title? Atleast mention dph, amanitas and datura. I know they're not "fun" to do but no delirants are "fun". I love what they say about them on Taimapedia: [QUOTE] One user once described his reasoning for using DPH with this: "Why do we like to sit in a dark room and watch horror movies? Because fear can be fun, and nothing wrong with a little insanity every now and then to put reality into perspective."[/QUOTE]

I was going to include a section for them when the thread was still alive but interest died out and I said fuck it if this thread stays afloat then I'll update the OP with more info including a section for deliriants

put DPH and Datura since you said deliriants in the title. the more people know about that shit the better. [editline]15th October 2012[/editline] oh shit this thread is old as fuck, lol

wow this thread is pretty great, stuff like this needs to get stickied.

Add mxe if this thread gets going again!

[QUOTE=Cpn Crunch21;38050396]wow this thread is pretty great, stuff like this needs to get stickied.[/QUOTE] only now do I notice that the layout in the op has been raped by facepunch updates since last year. I really should clean up the op

Lol DPH is fun but you have to get over the first 1-2 times to get comfortable. Which still isn't comfortable. You must be ready. The words that come out of a newly experimenting drug user (Which sadly is the majority of the users of this drug looking for a cheap high) should strongly relate to "I'M DONE" But once you're no stranger to it the words turn more to "WTF LOL". Oh yes. DON'T FUCKING DO IT ALONE. I can't stress that enough even though I do it myself, I'd rather be a hypocrite rather than be like "lol ya is cool man".

I have found some amanita muscaria mushrooms : red, white spotted mushrooms, according to wikipedia, they are psychoactive, however they are also poisonous in large doses? (apparently deaths involving them are incredibly rare) would I be able to take these and not die?

[QUOTE=Sharkattackt;38070755]Lol DPH is fun but you have to get over the first 1-2 times to get comfortable. Which still isn't comfortable. You must be ready. The words that come out of a newly experimenting drug user (Which sadly is the majority of the users of this drug looking for a cheap high) should strongly relate to "I'M DONE" But once you're no stranger to it the words turn more to "WTF LOL". Oh yes. DON'T FUCKING DO IT ALONE. I can't stress that enough even though I do it myself, I'd rather be a hypocrite rather than be like "lol ya is cool man".[/QUOTE] dont forget the fact that its incredibly bad for you as well lol [editline]17th October 2012[/editline] [QUOTE=Kamaitachi;38073101]I have found some amanita muscaria mushrooms : red, white spotted mushrooms, according to wikipedia, they are psychoactive, however they are also poisonous in large doses? (apparently deaths involving them are incredibly rare) would I be able to take these and not die?[/QUOTE] take pictures and post them on shroomery and ask questions there

Did a bit of research, found this on shroomery [url]http://www.shroomery.org/8755/Do-caps-or-stems-contain-more-psilocybin-psilocin[/url] [quote]When the data from the above study is proecessed, it shows that in the samples of the above study, the caps were 30% more potent than stems. Mushrooms though come with caps AND stems thus it would be a complete waste to only use the caps just because they are slightly more potent. [/quote] [IMG]http://img387.imageshack.us/img387/2942/japan3gf.png[/img]

[QUOTE=bull3tmagn3t;38075380]Did a bit of research, found this on shroomery [url]http://www.shroomery.org/8755/Do-caps-or-stems-contain-more-psilocybin-psilocin[/url] [IMG]http://img387.imageshack.us/img387/2942/japan3gf.png[/img][/QUOTE] very interesting, that test only used six mushrooms though and it looks like the potency ratio between the cap and steam varies greatly between them.

Arguably the caps also have more mass than the stems, which would account for their supposed "greater" potency. I get the impression that the fifth mushroom in that chart is either an anomaly or wasn't measured right, .85% and .05% is a huge discrepancy

[QUOTE=Sharkattackt;38070755]Lol DPH is fun but you have to get over the first 1-2 times to get comfortable. Which still isn't comfortable. You must be ready. The words that come out of a newly experimenting drug user (Which sadly is the majority of the users of this drug looking for a cheap high) should strongly relate to "I'M DONE" But once you're no stranger to it the words turn more to "WTF LOL". Oh yes. DON'T FUCKING DO IT ALONE. I can't stress that enough even though I do it myself, I'd rather be a hypocrite rather than be like "lol ya is cool man".[/QUOTE] You're never "ready" for a deliriant. Nor are you ever "in control." Just because you think you're in control doesn't mean that the next time you take it you won't end up killing yourself because you blacked out. And that's why encouraging the use of deliriants in any way is pants on head retarded.