Suicide - General - Facepunch Forum

[QUOTE=B!N4RY;33001116]Because it's true? There are tons of people suffering from similar scenarios as you around the world frequently. Do all of them kill themselves? No, because they know that they will get over it eventually/with alternatives available and is not worth ending their life over temporary emotions. Like I said, seek professional help and medication if needed. They tend to be a lot more helpful than you can expect.[/QUOTE] Pretty much this. I used to be depressed and suicide was a pretty regular thought but I eventually realised an important fact: feelings are never unique to yourself. A hell of a lot of people have been depressed in the past and gotten over it without pointlessly ending their life, many moreso than end up actually doing it. Personally I reserve no sympathy for a person who commits suicide because I agree that on its most basic level it is either ignorant, or just plain selfish. That does not mean, however, that I am not willing to accept proper justification because as has been stated many times, people do end up with nothing to live for, in a position of extreme suffering, etc. In most suicide cases I would still disagree with the decision due to my own opinion regarding life in general, however in the end it is down to the individual's decision.

People can handle stuff differently. Where one person might be able to handle the mental torture, another person could crack easily.

[QUOTE=B!N4RY;33001116] There are tons of people suffering from similar scenarios as you around the world frequently. Do all of them kill themselves? No, because they know that they will get over it eventually/with alternatives available and is not worth ending their life over temporary emotions. Like I said, seek professional help and medication if needed. They tend to be a lot more helpful than you can expect.[/QUOTE] What about those who can't afford treatment or medication? [editline]29th October 2011[/editline] From reading this thread I can tell that most of you do not have first hand experience with suicide and should not even be talking about it.

[QUOTE=Nibwoddle;33005519]Pretty much this. I used to be depressed and suicide was a pretty regular thought but I eventually realised an important fact: feelings are never unique to yourself. A hell of a lot of people have been depressed in the past and gotten over it without pointlessly ending their life, many moreso than end up actually doing it. Personally I reserve no sympathy for a person who commits suicide because I agree that on its most basic level it is either ignorant, or just plain selfish. That does not mean, however, that I am not willing to accept proper justification because as has been stated many times, people do end up with nothing to live for, in a position of extreme suffering, etc. In most suicide cases I would still disagree with the decision due to my own opinion regarding life in general, however in the end it is down to the individual's decision.[/QUOTE] what about in Hunter S. Thompson's case? His suicide was well thought out, it wasn't an act of desperation. He didn't like being old so he topped himself [editline]29th October 2011[/editline] [QUOTE=B!N4RY;33001116]Because it's true? There are tons of people suffering from similar scenarios as you around the world frequently. Do all of them kill themselves? No, because they know that they will get over it eventually/with alternatives available and is not worth ending their life over temporary emotions. Like I said, seek professional help and medication if needed. They tend to be a lot more helpful than you can expect.[/QUOTE] the medications they put you on for things like Bipolar are a [I]lot[/I] worse than actual bipolar in my experience

[QUOTE=Mac2468;33026400]What about those who can't afford treatment or medication?[/QUOTE] There are none-profit organizations that offers help for free, and I know several here at the area of where I live. They can also sign you up for free medications directly from the producers under certain eligibility. [QUOTE=Mac2468;33026400]From reading this thread I can tell that most of you do not have first hand experience with suicide and should not even be talking about it.[/QUOTE] "First hand experience" would mean you attempting to kill yourself. Just because you've never wanted to kill yourself, it doesn't mean you wouldn't know anything about it either from other individuals or groups, or alternative sources. Plus do you even know how debates work? Quite often in a formal event, the opposing parties are given unfamiliar topics. That's not going to stop them from allowing to express their thoughts on the subject, and they certainly won't stand up saying "I have never done this/experience this in my life so far, therefore I'm going to forfeit any of my thoughts on it".

Suicide is inherently selfish. It is a permanent solution to a temporary problem; which will affect everyone close to them. [editline].[/editline] However, euthanasia in the case of terminal illness is just simply not prolonging the inevitable; allowing the person to tie their last ends, and die in peace.

Why am I supposed to care about others more than about myself? Am I some kind of puppet that is supposed to keep others entertained?

[QUOTE=Man Without Hat;33030134]Suicide is inherently selfish. It is a permanent solution to a temporary problem; which will affect everyone close to them. [editline].[/editline] However, euthanasia in the case of terminal illness is just simply not prolonging the inevitable; allowing the person to tie their last ends, and die in peace.[/QUOTE] From a suicidal person's point of view, they view it as beneficial to remove themselves from the general population because they actively make things worse, and are a negative influence on the people around them. They also don't think that anyone would care if they killed themselves. They don't view it as selfish, and in their opinion its a permanent solution to a problem which has no other solutions. I think its difficult for people to understand to what degree a suicidal person's view of the world is warped

[QUOTE=Man Without Hat;33030134]Suicide is inherently selfish. It is a permanent solution to a temporary problem; which will affect everyone close to them.[/QUOTE] I'm afraid I have to disagree with you there. If anything, suicide is inherently selfless. I once went through a phase of severe depression - though not to the verge of suicide - and I hope I can sort of convey how it must feel. Effectively, you would only commit suicide if you truly believed that the only way for a problem that you are related to in some way to be solved was for you to die. You don't factor in how people would react to your death. There were some times when I thought about it, but decided against it because of how it would affect my family and friends. How would my mother cope? How would my father? How would my best friend? For me, it would be impossible to leave them in that world. But for those who commit suicide, those thoughts are evaporated. They truly believe their so-called "loving" and "caring" family and friends would not care a bit about their death - and (in that reasoning) if those people don't care, why would a doctor or psychiatrist?

[QUOTE=Man Without Hat;33030134]Suicide is inherently selfish. It is a permanent solution to a temporary problem; which will affect everyone close to them. [editline].[/editline] However, euthanasia in the case of terminal illness is just simply not prolonging the inevitable; allowing the person to tie their last ends, and die in peace.[/QUOTE] By this logic, living at all for any length of time regardless of health is just "prolonging the inevitable" Euthanasia is morally acceptable because it ends suffering, not because people die anyway (and by extension, suicide isn't inherently immoral since it does end suffering - it just isn't a well-guided decision in most scenarios) Your priorities are fucked [editline]29th October 2011[/editline] You should also read the thread to see why suicide isn't selfish, I explained it earlier with a long quote [editline]29th October 2011[/editline] I'm a nice guy so I'm going to tell you it was post number 115 in this thread, on the previous page Now you have no excuse to not have seen it

I know it's been said before but: Permanent solution for a temporary problem.

[QUOTE=Rethill34;33036823]I know it's been said before but: Permanent solution for a temporary problem.[/QUOTE] More like a permanent solution to all problems.

[QUOTE=AceOfDivine;33036852]More like a permanent solution to all problems.[/QUOTE] Permanent, but a solution that can be extremely damaging to everyone who knew you or will know you [News?].

[QUOTE=Rethill34;33036994]Permanent, but a solution that can be extremely damaging to everyone who knew you or will know you [News?].[/QUOTE]You're dead, not your problem anymore.

[QUOTE=Rethill34;33036823]I know it's been said before but: Permanent solution for a temporary problem.[/QUOTE] Technically life is a temporary solution to a permanent problem.

[QUOTE=Super_Nova;33037345]Technically life is a temporary solution to a permanent problem.[/QUOTE] Yes, but killing yourself for being bullied. Being bullied is temporary, you could always just transfer to another school or move somewhere else. Referring to the article in the OP. Dying is permanent, being bullied is temporary. See what I was thinking there?

Like bullying is the only reason for suicide

[QUOTE=AceOfDivine;33037902]Like bullying is the only reason for suicide[/QUOTE] yeah man, mental conditions and disorders have no part in suicide. Nope nothing like that edit: for anyone who couldn't figure it, this was sarcasm

[QUOTE=Rethill34;33037666]Yes, but killing yourself for being bullied. Being bullied is temporary, you could always just transfer to another school or move somewhere else. Referring to the article in the OP. Dying is permanent, being bullied is temporary. See what I was thinking there?[/QUOTE] you do realize that bullying is not the only cause of suicide right?

[QUOTE=AceOfDivine;33037038]You're dead, not your problem anymore.[/QUOTE] [QUOTE=AceOfDivine;33036852]More like a permanent solution to all problems.[/QUOTE] Well, if its such a good thing why don't you end yourself over these tiny 'problems' that are literally so easy to get over, anyone can do it. I mean, if lifes so hard... why not? Fixes everything, don't it? [editline]30th October 2011[/editline] And most people commit suicide because they feel there's no other option. Killing yourself by mistake is different. [editline]30th October 2011[/editline] AKA, mental health issues.

[QUOTE=J!NX;33040336]Well, if its such a good thing why don't you end yourself over these tiny 'problems' that are literally so easy to get over, anyone can do it. I mean, if lifes so hard... why not? Fixes everything, don't it? [/QUOTE]Because I have goals. Tiny problems will not stop me from trying to reach my goals.

[QUOTE=AceOfDivine;33040620]Because I have goals. Tiny problems will not stop me from trying to reach my goals.[/QUOTE] Ok, but what about everyone else? You claim it solves everything after all. I say, it doesn't solve shit.

[QUOTE=J!NX;33041126]Ok, but what about everyone else? You claim it solves everything after all. I say, it doesn't solve shit.[/QUOTE]You're dead, you have no problems. Kinda solved, no?

[QUOTE=AceOfDivine;33041177]You're dead, you have no problems. Kinda solved, no?[/QUOTE] No, because there are far better alternatives. Its a stupid problem solver. Not your issue any more, yes, but in the end, it doesn't genuinely solve it. If that makes sense. [editline]30th October 2011[/editline] That logic is as dumb as "My XBox is broken, instead of fixing it which would take 15 minutes, I'll just smash it, there, problem solved!" and not being able to ever get a new console ever.

Try to tell that to a depressed suicider.

[QUOTE=AceOfDivine;33041352]Try to tell that to a depressed suicider.[/QUOTE] Maybe I will. They must realize, there are better alternatives, that's the one issue they have, once they start to show signs of understanding that there's other alternatives, then problem solving realistically is much easier.

[QUOTE=J!NX;33041379]Maybe I will. They must realize, there are better alternatives, that's the one issue they have, once they start to show signs of understanding that there's other alternatives, then problem solving realistically is much easier.[/QUOTE]That's probably going to make them a lot more likely to do it. Considering just last night at 4 in the morning I was on the verge of cracking, someone telling me that would have probably made it a lot, LOT worse. Luckily, I went to sleep.

[QUOTE=x2yzh9;33041616]That's probably going to make them a lot more likely to do it. Considering just last night at 4 in the morning I was on the verge of cracking, someone telling me that would have probably made it a lot, LOT worse. Luckily, I went to sleep.[/QUOTE] Fair enough. Though, everyone is different, and will react different.

[QUOTE=J!NX;33041379]Maybe I will. They must realize, there are better alternatives, that's the one issue they have, once they start to show signs of understanding that there's other alternatives, then problem solving realistically is much easier.[/QUOTE]If you suffer depression from bullying or shitty work I don't see how you will convince them.

[QUOTE=AceOfDivine;33041681]If you suffer depression from bullying or shitty work I don't see how you will convince them.[/QUOTE] Being bullied normally only lasts until after high school. [editline]30th October 2011[/editline] Normally, at least.