Super Friendly Social and Love Advice V6 - JUST FUCKING ASK HER OUT

[All0utWar]

That girl that I asked out on a date keeps ignoring me now. She hasn't answered a single text from me since she first gave me her number which was a week ago I think. Oh well, time to move on I guess.

[Rhenae]

[QUOTE=riku2211;40895729]From what's been said previously, it seems like he's deliberately avoiding the subject, to take her mind off it. Which I suggest you keep doing, dmillerw, because the way it sounds, if you talk about her boyfriend at all it will probably come out somewhat hostile whether you want it to or not. And also taking her mind off it is generally a good strategy, makes things better for her and I guess gives you a chance or whatever.

Also, thanks for the replies like 3 pages ago guys. I've been in a massive rut for a while and that post was a long time coming but I kind of feel like im coming out of it now, so thanks a ton, really. I'd've replied sooner but my internet's been ass for the past few days. Working on getting that fixed.

As for Maverik, I know I'm late for the show but I just wanted to say that although he has some whacked out views and shit and does in fact appear to be a massive narcissist, that doesn't invalidate the fact that some of his advice is actually good. There really doesn't need to be an outright argument about it, at all, a rating is all that's really needed. But his reply to my post was incredibly insightful and rather helpful, so I just wanted to throw in my 2 cents.

There is one topic I wanted to approach, though, from OogalaBoogal's reply to my post:

How do I do this? Like, what other things could I learn to do? I have a guitar, and over the past few years (I even took a class Freshman year) I've on and off tried to learn to play it well, but I'm just not interested. I can't sit down and learn to play a song, messing up constantly and whatnot. I just doesn't hold my attention. I'm not into any sports, really, or none that I can think of. I guess Hockey would be cool to play? But mostly for the ice skating part. Sports really just aren't my thing. There's also the fact I'm 17 years old and it doesn't seem very viable for me to learn any sports, if I even wanted to. As for groups, I tried last semester to join a club, which was the only singular club that I thought would be interesting, which it ended up not being, and also ended up dying out halfway into the semester. I guess what I'm saying with that is that there ARE no groups to join. I don't know where to go. Even if I thought I COULD do something there's no where to do it.

Basically the question I'm asking is how the hell do I get involved and go do new things when there is nothing interesting around me? And I don't even mean interesting as in it doesn't LOOK interesting, it just is really not my cup of tea.[/QUOTE]

Do you still have a year of highschool left? If so start a club yourself! It isn't as hard as it seems so long as you can find a teacher willing to supervise (easier than you think sometimes. Ask a friendly teacher and even if they don't want to they may be able to direct you to a teacher who would). I did this a couple times during my highschool years. It can work out pretty darn well.

[Missing User]

[QUOTE=Rhenae;40896332]I still vastly disapprove of your unnecessary dislike about her tattoos and inability to understand that unless she is getting something on her face it isn't going to stop her from becoming a teacher, but anyway, good job finding a girl more to your tastes and hopefully it goes well for you :)[/QUOTE]

Its not that I dont like that she has tattoos, its that its completely irresponsible of her to get them at a time when her dad is under investigation (now TWICE) by congress. Shes working a place that is one pole away from a strip club, complains of having no money, and now has been screwed out of education because she quit.

[3mpty]

What's a good idea for a first date, I've only ever been on one and it was a blind date and it wasn't great and I hate my friend but that's besides the point.

There be a girl I wanna ask out but I don't know what to do. I've been told by friends that movies are bad because you just sit there in silence for 2 hours (which makes sense to me)

We're both gamers and she was in my uni class this semester. I've got her number and email and we send emails back and forth but at this stage we're just friends.

I'm confident I can just ask her out (though it'll have to be over an email or a text or phone call (but who calls people these days) because we no longer have classes) I just have no idea what to do.

Also I'm poor as fuck at the moment so nothing ridiculously expensive would be appropriate, I'm not saying it needs to be free (I'm happy to go hungry a few days if it means we both have a good time) but I'd prefer to keep the price tag in the 2 digit range.

[Rhenae]

[QUOTE=areolop;40896359]Its not that I dont like that she has tattoos, its that its completely irresponsible of her to get them at a time when her dad is under investigation (now TWICE) by congress. Shes working a place that is one pole away from a strip club, complains of having no money, and now has been screwed out of education because she quit.[/QUOTE]

But really what does her tattoo have to do with her dad being under investigation honestly though? It's completely irrelevant and doesn't matter in the slightest! I won't speak in the slightest of the rest, since I don't know much about that, but you seem to be stuck a fair number of years back in the past with your views on how bad tattoos are. Very few people give a crap these days if someone has a tattoo so long as it isn't blatantly obvious (since that can hurt customer relations with old people who think like you :v:)

[editline]4th June 2013[/editline]

[QUOTE=Empty_Shadow;40896378]What's a good idea for a first date, I've only ever been on one and it was a blind date and it wasn't great and I hate my friend but that's besides the point.

There be a girl I wanna ask out but I don't know what to do. I've been told by friends that movies are bad because you just sit there in silence for 2 hours (which makes sense to me)

We're both gamers and she was in my uni class this semester. I've got her number and email and we send emails back and forth but at this stage we're just friends.

I'm confident I can just ask her out (though it'll have to be over an email or a text or phone call (but who calls people these days) because we no longer have classes) I just have no idea what to do.

Also I'm poor as fuck at the moment so nothing ridiculously expensive would be appropriate, I'm not saying it needs to be free (I'm happy to go hungry a few days if it means we both have a good time) but I'd prefer to keep the price tag in the 2 digit range.[/QUOTE]

Both gamers eh? Why not ask to play a game with her and talk over mic? Seems like a good way to get to know each other.
Dates wise coffee shops tend to be good first dates, not a huge investment from either side and its easy to talk. Don't worry too much about pre-planning topics just talk about whatever random shit you think of, since you know you have games in common thats and easy go to if you blank :)

[Missing User]

[QUOTE=Rhenae;40896391]But really what does her tattoo have to do with her dad being under investigation honestly though? It's completely irrelevant and doesn't matter in the slightest! I won't speak in the slightest of the rest, since I don't know much about that, but you seem to be stuck a fair number of years back in the past with your views on how bad tattoos are. Very few people give a crap these days if someone has a tattoo so long as it isn't blatantly obvious (since that can hurt customer relations with old people who think like you :v:)[/QUOTE]

When your family is facing financial problems, the first thing that comes to mind isnt "I'm going to go get a tattoo" -- And yea, pretty much as you said, as long as they're easily covered, they arent a problem.

Her dad is a big-wig with the IRS and was apart of the training video scandal, and now the spending stuff... again.

[3mpty]

I don't drink coffee but I guess I could get a hot chocolate :P It's winter at the moment and I could really go a hot drink regardless haha. Also I'm thinking it'd be a good chance to talk face to face without it being a full on date so I can ask her if she's seeing anyone (I currently don't know, but I don't think she is)

We've talked a fair bit at uni, from what I gather she's mostly a single-player console gamer, whereas I'm a multiplayer PC gamer, not to say there's not overlap but I don't think she has many online games. Most of the ones we have in common are singleplayer, so sadly that option is unlikely. It's hard trying to match games up against someone else to figure out if any match because there's so damn many, but I'll broach the subject and see if we can't eventually find something to play.

[Rhenae]

[QUOTE=areolop;40896423]When your family is facing financial problems, the first thing that comes to mind isnt "I'm going to go get a tattoo" -- And yea, pretty much as you said, as long as they're easily covered, they arent a problem.

Her dad is a big-wig with the IRS and was apart of the training video scandal, and now the spending stuff... again.[/QUOTE]

Tattoos are actually surprisingly cheap, at least for a size the majority of people would get for their first. Still, I can agree money spending when you have so little isn't great tattoos are often very important to a person with their meaning etc, it becomes less of a fashion concern. But at least here small tattoos can run about 20 bucks max, usually much less. Of course if she is getting something bigger its a bit of an expenditure, but often not much more than a night out for a meal.
And I still don't really see it being related to his legal troubles, not counting I suppose she could help him pay for a lawyer to work for all of 3 seconds :v:

Anyway I think we mostly just have a difference of opinion, I won't shit up the thread any more with that :)

[Riku2211]

[QUOTE=Rhenae;40896347]Do you still have a year of highschool left? If so start a club yourself! It isn't as hard as it seems so long as you can find a teacher willing to supervise (easier than you think sometimes. Ask a friendly teacher and even if they don't want to they may be able to direct you to a teacher who would). I did this a couple times during my highschool years. It can work out pretty darn well.[/QUOTE]

Yeah. Just started summer so it'd be a while from now. I guess that's kind of a good idea, only problem being how anti-social I am. I'd be terrified to go on the announcements and advertise it or some shit, like it seems most clubs do (but I guess wouldnt really be necessary), and also talking to people I don't know is scary :(. Otherwise, I dunno what kind of club it would be. Frankly I could very well talk to my friends about it, and we could throw around some ideas. And I can already think of a teacher who may be willing to supervise it. Not to mention it'd be a chance to meet some new faces, if I can get past initial nervousness. So, yeah, that's a pretty solid idea. Thanks.

In terms of general hobbies, mostly for myself, I was thinking about trying my hand at 3D modelling, as well as keeping up with programming. I tried a while back to model a weapon for TF2, failed miserably and gave up. But, that really wasn't a serious attempt, I sort of just wanted to see what it was like and gave it a shot for a few hours. I think if I actually tried I could kinda do it. I remember one of my biggest problems being taking something from my mind (or even something I'm looking right at) and making it a thing on my screen, same problem I have with drawing. But I digress.

Any other ideas for hobbies and whatnot?

Also wow I just thought of one other thing I've been meaning to ask you guys. How can I meet new people over the summer? I figured getting a job will contribute to that, at least a bit, but how else?

[editline]4th June 2013[/editline]

[QUOTE=Empty_Shadow;40896442]I don't drink coffee but I guess I could get a hot chocolate :P It's winter at the moment and I could really go a hot drink regardless haha. Also I'm thinking it'd be a good chance to talk face to face without it being a full on date so I can ask her if she's seeing anyone (I currently don't know, but I don't think she is)

We've talked a fair bit at uni, from what I gather she's mostly a single-player console gamer, whereas I'm a multiplayer PC gamer, not to say there's not overlap but I don't think she has many online games. Most of the ones we have in common are singleplayer, so sadly that option is unlikely. It's hard trying to match games up against someone else to figure out if any match because there's so damn many, but I'll broach the subject and see if we can't eventually find something to play.[/QUOTE]

Well you know it's also a pretty good thing that you're both different in the gaming aspect. It gives you both a chance to try something new: she can try online PC games with you, and you can try playing some of her singleplayer console games with her. Or cross the streams and find some co-op games. Of course, that'd be a bit later in your friendship/relationship.

[Guy Mannly]

[QUOTE=riku2211;40896780]Well you know it's also a pretty good thing that you're both different in the gaming aspect. It gives you both a chance to try something new: she can try online PC games with you, and you can try playing some of her singleplayer console games with her. Or cross the streams and find some co-op games. Of course, that'd be a bit later in your friendship/relationship.[/QUOTE]

the shitty thing about dating a gamer is that you usually find out you don't play games the same way
like one of you is super casual or gets mad when they lose etc while the other plays games to get better
it's hard to enjoy a game together when you have completely different ideals for how to enjoy it

[RocketRacer]

[QUOTE=Guy Mannly;40897408]the shitty thing about dating a gamer is that you usually find out you don't play games the same way
like one of you is super casual or gets mad when they lose etc while the other plays games to get better
it's hard to enjoy a game together when you have completely different ideals for how to enjoy it[/QUOTE]
Totally agree. I have a (female)friend that just plays A LOT, but mostly LoL(I also play a lot, but not LoL), and at school she everyday talked about it and how she won/lost and she genuinely became mad when she lost. I mean, I also play a lot of games, but I don't talk about this to anyone, except the people I talk on the internet(which I met because of the games, duh).

Not like it has a big meaning for you(Empty_Shadow), but just don't enrage when you loose in the game to her or just loose when she's with you.

[MaverickIB]

[QUOTE=Empty_Shadow;40896378]What's a good idea for a first date, I've only ever been on one and it was a blind date and it wasn't great and I hate my friend but that's besides the point.

There be a girl I wanna ask out but I don't know what to do. I've been told by friends that movies are bad because you just sit there in silence for 2 hours (which makes sense to me)

We're both gamers and she was in my uni class this semester. I've got her number and email and we send emails back and forth but at this stage we're just friends.

I'm confident I can just ask her out (though it'll have to be over an email or a text or phone call (but who calls people these days) because we no longer have classes) I just have no idea what to do.

Also I'm poor as fuck at the moment so nothing ridiculously expensive would be appropriate, I'm not saying it needs to be free (I'm happy to go hungry a few days if it means we both have a good time) but I'd prefer to keep the price tag in the 2 digit range.[/QUOTE]

Poor kid is banned already, but I'll respond to this just in case anyone else was wondering as well.

Movies aren't that bad of an idea for a first day IF they are coupled with dinner. It's a solid 1-2 punch that can be arranged to fit your personality/style of getting to know someone. For example, if you're the type of person who has an easier time opening up physically and/or you have a hard time thinking of things to talk about, movie first, then dinner. That way, at the movie you can hold hands or whatever breaking the physical barrier, then when dinner rolls around you automatically have something to talk about (the movie).

If you're the opposite, easier time opening up to people through conversation with a more difficult time opening physically, dinner first, then movie. Dinner allows you to talk, get to know each other, cool your nerves and get somewhat comfortable. So when the movie rolls around, you're not flipping shit anymore and can muster the nuts to hold her hand or whatever.

Which kind of gets me thinking, what are you guy's opinions on when it's appropriate to kiss? Are you first date kissers or do you wait 'till it just happens naturally or some shit like that? I've always been a first date one since if I don't do it, I go home hating myself for not doing so. It's also kind of disappointing to go on a handful of dates with someone only to find out they're a really bad kisser, have bad breath, or something like that.

[killerteacup]

[QUOTE=MaverickIB;40899247]Poor kid is banned already, but I'll respond to this just in case anyone else was wondering as well.

Movies aren't that bad of an idea for a first day IF they are coupled with dinner. It's a solid 1-2 punch that can be arranged to fit your personality/style of getting to know someone. For example, if you're the type of person who has an easier time opening up physically and/or you have a hard time thinking of things to talk about, movie first, then dinner. That way, at the movie you can hold hands or whatever breaking the physical barrier, then when dinner rolls around you automatically have something to talk about (the movie).

If you're the opposite, easier time opening up to people through conversation with a more difficult time opening physically, dinner first, then movie. Dinner allows you to talk, get to know each other, cool your nerves and get somewhat comfortable. So when the movie rolls around, you're not flipping shit anymore and can muster the nuts to hold her hand or whatever.

Which kind of gets me thinking, what are you guy's opinions on when it's appropriate to kiss? Are you first date kissers or do you wait 'till it just happens naturally or some shit like that? I've always been a first date one since if I don't do it, I go home hating myself for not doing so. It's also kind of disappointing to go on a handful of dates with someone only to find out they're a really bad kisser, have bad breath, or something like that.[/QUOTE]

I generally do it at the very end of the first date when i'm saying goodbye

I dont like movies as first dates though, they've always seemed to me like an excuse to ignore your date really

[MaverickIB]

It isn't the best first date choice, but it's a good fall back option if you're shit out of ideas. I try to avoid using it but still bust it out from time to time. It's also good to know movie showtimes even if the date isn't the movies, that way if something falls through, like the bowling alley is closed for maintenance or some shit, you can recover quickly instead of sitting there going, "Uhhhhhh so what do we do now?"

Of course, movies are a complete no-go if you don't have intentions of making some form of physical contact. Sitting there with your hands in your lap the entire time is a recipe for disaster.

[Rhenae]

[QUOTE=MaverickIB;40899247]Poor kid is banned already, but I'll respond to this just in case anyone else was wondering as well.

Movies aren't that bad of an idea for a first day IF they are coupled with dinner. It's a solid 1-2 punch that can be arranged to fit your personality/style of getting to know someone. For example, if you're the type of person who has an easier time opening up physically and/or you have a hard time thinking of things to talk about, movie first, then dinner. That way, at the movie you can hold hands or whatever breaking the physical barrier, then when dinner rolls around you automatically have something to talk about (the movie).

If you're the opposite, easier time opening up to people through conversation with a more difficult time opening physically, dinner first, then movie. Dinner allows you to talk, get to know each other, cool your nerves and get somewhat comfortable. So when the movie rolls around, you're not flipping shit anymore and can muster the nuts to hold her hand or whatever.

Which kind of gets me thinking, what are you guy's opinions on when it's appropriate to kiss? Are you first date kissers or do you wait 'till it just happens naturally or some shit like that? I've always been a first date one since if I don't do it, I go home hating myself for not doing so. It's also kind of disappointing to go on a handful of dates with someone only to find out they're a really bad kisser, have bad breath, or something like that.[/QUOTE]

This sounds about right to me.
I'm a first date kisser, unless the date went pretty bad.

This reminds me of my first date actually, he invited me to a movie via steam and I asked if we should call it a date. That was the official start of our relationship, although if were both honest we basically were before then anyway since we both had told each other our secrets we wouldn't tell anyone else, we were both just being hesitant to specifically ask even though it was the most obvious thing ever.
We went to go see one of the pirates of the carribean movies, since it was something fairly interesting to both of us, and it had been out a long time so there wouldn't be a packed theater. We sat away from other people so we could talk and make comments during the movie.
Part way through he looks at me and said something like "I know you want to move closer to me" and put the armrest up (something I didn't know you could do there).
He only did it because he knew there was like a 100% chance of sucess, but for a shy guy he has his moments :v: he was still nervous to kiss me later <3 But I really just love that, it was totally unexpected.

[GreenDolphin]

[QUOTE=MaverickIB;40888972]I was (and still am) somewhat the same way. I got around it by having the little awkward chat with them, getting their name, then adding them on facebook. Then invite them to a party or some kind of group gathering. It's tough for me to make friends with someone one-on-one, which is why most of my friends are female. There's nothing sketchy about inviting a female over and hanging out as just the two of us, but it's kinda weird (see: homo) to invite a dude you hardly know to come over and watch a movie.

EDIT: Unless you smoke weed. Then it isn't homo. But I don't really smoke so that isn't much of an option.[/QUOTE]

Your lack of concept for making friends outside of women is outstanding. Hanging out with guys is hardly any different than with women. It only feels "homo" to you because you make it out to be like that.

[DudesonFan]

So, love doctors, what would be the best way(s) to overcome a horrible fear of rejection?
I have kinda just given up on trying, since the last time i tried ended up in a fucking disaster... And i'm preeetty sure that has cost me some good shots.

[Rhenae]

[QUOTE=DudesonFan;40902346]So, love doctors, what would be the best way(s) to overcome a horrible fear of rejection?
I have kinda just given up on trying, since the last time i tried ended up in a fucking disaster... And i'm preeetty sure that has cost me some good shots.[/QUOTE]

You try again. There's few ways to beat a fear other than to face it.

[Zinayzen]

I saw a cute girl in traffic and her car had a Horde sticker on it, for some (dumb) reason I rolled down my window and yelled LOK'TAR OGAR over the noise of the traffic

I have her phone number now and I'm still not entirely sure what happened

[Zar]

Did she shout her number back or what?

[Zinayzen]

no, turned out we were going to the same lot

[Missing User]

Most accidental pick up line ever

[Zinayzen]

I actually don't play Horde but lok'tar ogar sounded better than FOR THE ALLIANCE

[thisispain]

probably because alliance is gay

[tedb]

alliance is for chumps

[MindMuncher]

I'm so glad that every single post I ever make on the internet isn't found and used against me to overanalyze each line of any new post I make.

I get that Mav's got some individualistic views on life/love/happiness, but everyone trying to tear him up about it is the page bloater here. We all understand that Maverick [i]will respond[/i] when you make a post, and as he's fairly proficient at writing and enjoys it, so he'll give a pretty verbose response. That's one person's quirk. Normally when one person in a group has a quirk, the others learn to work around it and still have that person remain as part of the group. Say Uncle Ed has flashbacks to vietnam everytime he sees a can-opener. It's not his responsibility to avoid your can openers when he comes to eat with you, it's your responsibility not to expose him to one. Cause it's pretty fucking annoying when Uncle Ed starts screaming about the vietcong, and its pretty fucking annoying when people try to argue about how Maverick's a bad guy.

he has some fundamentally different views than you. People might read and take his advice, but that's because they read it and apply it to their situations and see that it's something they want to try. People aren't a bunch of robots who gobble up pre-punched command cards and follow a set protocol every time someone online gives advice. I value Maverick's advice. I like to see what he has to say. If I disagree, I'm not going to get in his face about it, because like Uncle Ed with the can-openers, Maverick can't control himself when confronted. It's not a big deal, but some people refuse to just cool it. We know Maverick won't give you a satisfactory defeat (at least I've noticed that everyone complains when he stops arguing) so why would you continually be disappointed in it and pull on those strings?

We're all friends here. Act like it. If you have a personal vendetta against a member's worldview, take it to the private channels. I can't just block you guys and not see all that shit, because frankly I enjoy it when you legitimately post and getting rid of the crap that I don't like gets rid of the good stuff that I enjoy. So act friendly.

And I guess after that spiel it would be somewhat misplaced, but: I like you guys a bunch. There's a lot of legitimate concern for others' well-being here, and it extends to those that don't even post and are only mentioned through the troubles. It's nice to see that you all care about the ex girlfriend of the poster that dumped her. Like, empathy-once-removed or something. It's good to have a hole in the forum where I can go and expect the people to genuinely care about others, or show it at least.

[Megafan]

[QUOTE=MindMuncher;40905410]I'm so glad that every single post I ever make on the internet isn't found and used against me to overanalyze each line of any new post I make.

I get that Mav's got some individualistic views on life/love/happiness, but everyone trying to tear him up about it is the page bloater here. We all understand that Maverick [i]will respond[/i] when you make a post, and as he's fairly proficient at writing and enjoys it, so he'll give a pretty verbose response. That's one person's quirk. Normally when one person in a group has a quirk, the others learn to work around it and still have that person remain as part of the group. Say Uncle Ed has flashbacks to vietnam everytime he sees a can-opener. It's not his responsibility to avoid your can openers when he comes to eat with you, it's your responsibility not to expose him to one. Cause it's pretty fucking annoying when Uncle Ed starts screaming about the vietcong, and its pretty fucking annoying when people try to argue about how Maverick's a bad guy.

he has some fundamentally different views than you. People might read and take his advice, but that's because they read it and apply it to their situations and see that it's something they want to try. People aren't a bunch of robots who gobble up pre-punched command cards and follow a set protocol every time someone online gives advice. I value Maverick's advice. I like to see what he has to say. If I disagree, I'm not going to get in his face about it, because like Uncle Ed with the can-openers, Maverick can't control himself when confronted. It's not a big deal, but some people refuse to just cool it. We know Maverick won't give you a satisfactory defeat (at least I've noticed that everyone complains when he stops arguing) so why would you continually be disappointed in it and pull on those strings?

We're all friends here. Act like it. If you have a personal vendetta against a member's worldview, take it to the private channels. I can't just block you guys and not see all that shit, because frankly I enjoy it when you legitimately post and getting rid of the crap that I don't like gets rid of the good stuff that I enjoy. So act friendly.

And I guess after that spiel it would be somewhat misplaced, but: I like you guys a bunch. There's a lot of legitimate concern for others' well-being here, and it extends to those that don't even post and are only mentioned through the troubles. It's nice to see that you all care about the ex girlfriend of the poster that dumped her. Like, empathy-once-removed or something. It's good to have a hole in the forum where I can go and expect the people to genuinely care about others, or show it at least.[/QUOTE]

I'm afraid it's not really your job to do backseat moderation here. Someone causing trouble in a thread with their opinions is hardly a new thing, and when it gets out of hand we deal with it.

But that aside, the issue people are taking with Maverick has nothing to do with how verbose he is, I reckon it's more to do with him unironically calling his advice things like "how to steal a girl from her boyfriend".

[Rhenae]

He isn't really back seat modding so much as saying how bout everyone just shut the hell up and give their advice, this arguing helps no one and is completely pointless.
And I concur.

[Megafan]

[QUOTE=Rhenae;40905647]He isn't really back seat modding so much as saying how bout everyone just shut the hell up and give their advice, this arguing helps no one and is completely pointless.
And I concur.[/QUOTE]

I would say that he is, but my point is more that his argument doesn't make any sense. There's no need to extrapolate criticism of Maverick's advice out to some ridiculous thing like a personal vendetta against his worldview.

[MindMuncher]

The verbose bit was more of "There's a lot more text on my screen to filter through and this makes me even more enthusiastic about not having to do this again".
It was a personal thing not me pointing out why others don't like him.

I suppose 'personal vendetta against his worldview' may have been coming on a bit too strong, but you can't deny that he gets attacked every time he acts a little too much like Maverick on the forum. Granted, he doesn't need defending, since defending himself is one of the big things that makes this stuff explode. It's both sides that need to chill out a bit. I didn't mean to call out particular people who are arguing with him, I meant to call out that the whole situation was silly and if we all just roll on past, it'll be much nicer for everyone.
Just everybody be cool.