#ProudToBe [YouTube Spotlight/Huge Shitstorm in the Comments] - General

[QUOTE=skatehawk11;50571193]This was never a problem before in our school because the security cameras would obviously see you entering but since the school specific transgender policy fell into place if the student claims they are transgender even if they are obviously not they still can not punish them. Why do we even separate anymore if we are just going to have these policies open up the door to everyone?[/QUOTE] "Even if they're obviously not" Yeah you clearly don't have a fucking clue how that works in schools, in administration, in anything. Those boys won't be criminally punished but I'm betting if they try it again they'll get a in school punishment. You're a minor, you can't be convicted of a crime unless it's serious, so no fucking shit a crime that in your own fucking words "lacked evidence" isn't going to produce anything. The thing you critically don't understand is the door is, and always has been WIDE FUCKING OPEN. These laws don't change that. They don't change punishment, they don't change who's eligible for punishment. All it does is discriminate. Honestly, I would love to see this argument 40 years ago, because it would be all about keeping blacks out of the washrooms because they could cause harm, even though, no magic forcefield stops them entering anyways. Feel good laws like this are just a way for bigots to pat themselves on the back. You're only hurting innocent people, you won't save one person from any real harm.

[QUOTE=skatehawk11;50571193]Do you not see a problem with this?[/QUOTE] Whether or not I see a problem is completely immaterial, the point is that they're specifically [B]gender neutral facilities[/B] and the bathroom law you're so adamantly set against would have no effect on them

[QUOTE=skatehawk11;50571193]This was never a problem before in our school because the security cameras would obviously see you entering but since the school specific transgender policy fell into place if the student claims they are transgender even if they are obviously not they still can not punish them. Why do we even separate anymore if we are just going to have these policies open up the door to everyone? [editline]22nd June 2016[/editline] Do you not see a problem with this?[/QUOTE] Do you think a young person will see a naked body, and rape them? Right away? Yeah apparently you do. Maybe because I was raised in Canada, I don't see the human body as this gross fucking thing like you do. I don't think a boy seeing a tit will turn him into a rapist, serial killer, or anything. You do. None of your irrational fears have any logical basis, you're insecure, maybe not in your sexuality, but you cannot have this many irrational fears and not be insecure.

Skatehawk if letting transgender people use the bathroom of their gender is bad in your eyes then what you you have us do? Are we supposed to just never use the bathroom?

[QUOTE=skatehawk11;50571254] Use the bathroom that is on your birth certificate or neutral bathroom. There is no way of making neutral showers and locker rooms though... [editline]22nd June 2016[/editline] [/QUOTE] You do realize that by forcing us to use the bathroom of our birth sex you would be forcing someone who looks and for all intents and purposes female into the mens room right (and vice versa for transmen)? Thats a great way to raise the rates of literally everything you're saying that you're trying to prevent while simultaneously putting transgender people into some pretty horrifyingly dangerous situations. You claim to think your solution would reduce sexual assault, but the more and more you post the more I realize that you either didn't think about this at all whatsoever or this entire thing is an attempt at justifying your apparent bigotry.

At this point you should all ignore skatehawk. He has spent so much time running around in circles and ignoring what people post by plugging his ears that you're all getting wrapped up into a pointless argument. His ideas are firmly entrenched because he refuses to listen and refuses to learn. He's a confused individual who lashes out at groups he's unfamiliar with because he fears something that does not exist. It makes me sad that I live in a world where his ideas still exist, but if you do what I do and just let his ideas rot in the corner where they belong, the world can be a better place. His views are backwater and outdated, so why feed them? Just further the cause for freedom and justice and let him sit on the sidelines and whine. Report and move on folks

I don't understand the point of saying that due to transgender bathroom laws people will go into the bathroom and start raping little kids. I mean, rape is still illegal.

[QUOTE=skatehawk11;50571254]No, the door is not wide open. You would be in trouble immediately for going into the women's locker room. The policy is paraphrased as such "We allow any student who identifies as transgender/gender fluid to use the segregated room of the gender they identify with regardless of medical limitations" So the student can claim they are trans and get away with it and the administration obviously sees the problem but the student technically has every right to use that locker room because of said policy. [editline]22nd June 2016[/editline] Use the bathroom that is on your birth certificate or neutral bathroom. There is no way of making neutral showers and locker rooms though... [editline]22nd June 2016[/editline] The girls do not obviously want to be seen that exposed. Don't you have any consideration for the women in the position? I have actually asked girls on this and they say they would/are definitely feel uncomfortable when you got the door open to liars.[/QUOTE] [QUOTE=skatehawk11;50571254]No, the door is not wide open. You would be in trouble immediately for going into the women's locker room. The policy is paraphrased as such "We allow any student who identifies as transgender/gender fluid to use the segregated room of the gender they identify with regardless of medical limitations" So the student can claim they are trans and get away with it and the administration obviously sees the problem but the student technically has every right to use that locker room because of said policy.[/QUOTE] If it's really that obvious that they're not actually trans and shouldn't be there then I would think it's their responsibility to reprimand the student in question. It sounds a lot less like a failing of the policy itself and a lot more like a failing of the administration to take responsibility I think your school's shoddy handling of the situation is a really piss poor basis to build your view on the issue at large as you seem to have done, the rest of the world doesn't generally tend to work like a school and creeping on the women's restroom has been repeatedly noted to have a variety of consequences tacked on

I'm not seeing any part of that guideline that would prevent the administration from reprimanding a student if it's really so obvious that they're just in the ladies' room for creeping purposes

[QUOTE=Sitkero;50571376]I'm not seeing any part of that guideline that would prevent the administration from reprimanding a student if it's really so obvious that they're just in the ladies' room for creeping purposes[/QUOTE] Yes, creeping would still not be allowed, just because you are allowed to be in the girl's bathroom does not mean you don't have to comply with the rules.

[QUOTE=skatehawk11;50571399]Because they are not actually doing anything like taking pictures or touching. The girls are just uncomfortable with them in the locker room even though he is legally doing nothing wrong. He could call out the school for being "transphobic" like everyone is doing to me. [editline]22nd June 2016[/editline] Read aforementioned.[/QUOTE] That still sounds more like a spineless school administration to me than anything else and still doesn't strike me as a strong basis to build your view on trans bathroom laws in general because it seems to assume that [I]everywhere[/I] is going to be as spinelessly irresponsible as your school

[QUOTE=skatehawk11;50571440]You're right, it's very irresponsible just like the vagueness of the policy. Wouldn't you agree that you must prove medically you're transgender and not just a simple "Yes" or "No"?[/QUOTE] "Wait wait wait, are you trying to go to the bathroom? And you're trans? Alright kid fill out this entire 20 page medical history chart before you even THINK about stepping foot in there." If they really need to check your medical history to prove it, they can ask your parents for permission to that information. Not to mention that being trans, as other people have said, doesn't give you free reign to be a creep in the bathroom. If you are someone's going to report you and you'll be disciplined. It's not a get out of jail free card. [editline]22nd June 2016[/editline] Aren't right-leaning people all about NOT giving away their information like that? Why would you want the school to ask every student to give medical history.

[QUOTE=skatehawk11;50571440]You're right, it's very irresponsible just like the vagueness of the policy. Wouldn't you agree that you must prove medically you're transgender and not just a simple "Yes" or "No"?[/QUOTE] The policy doesn't seem especially vague to me. Short, maybe, but not much else. Certainly not nearly as accommodating of the so-called loophole you're so adamant about If people are abusing the policy to get their rock off it is the responsibility of the administrative body of the school to do something about it, if they are too afraid of being called out as transphobic to reprimand the individuals so obviously abusing the policy, then they have failed in their responsibility I don't think proving medically that you're trans should be a requirement, as it happens. Certainly not for a student. There's already an entire [url=https://facepunch.com/showthread.php?t=1524007&p=50570598&viewfull=1#post50570598]post regarding[/url] just how difficult that proof can be to acquire, and for a student that just doesn't seem particularly reasonable

[QUOTE=Paige;50571620] Aren't right-leaning people all about NOT giving away their information like that? Why would you want the school to ask every student to give medical history.[/QUOTE] Because lgbt people aren't as human as he is and thusly don't deserve their rights as much as he deserves his rights

[QUOTE=HumanAbyss;50571669]Because lgbt people aren't as human as he is and thusly don't deserve their rights as much as he deserves his rights[/QUOTE] Oh, oh! I got a good idea! How about we make all the trans and gays wear little stars so the authorities can easily identify them and get all their information too in case they're causing trouble! [IMG]https://firstlightforum.files.wordpress.com/2009/02/nazi-a-jew-with-star-of-david.gif?w=590[/IMG]

[QUOTE=MaximLaHaxim;50568966]This is just being an asshole and also making the problem worse. Forcing your views onto homophobic people won't make them change their minds, and will also make them hate pro-LGBTQ people more.[/QUOTE] You can push your views onto other people without being an abrasive asshole, educating and eliminating ignorance through polite, positive and rational discourse is the way forward. But if you ever think that I, as a LGBT individual, would ever just not even try to change their minds, you're nuts.

[QUOTE=Duck M.;50571984]You can push your views onto other people without being an abrasive asshole, educating and eliminating ignorance through polite, positive and rational discourse is the way forward. But if you ever think that I, as a LGBT individual, would ever just not even try to change their minds, you're nuts.[/QUOTE] politely reasoning with people is hardly trying to push your views on them IMO trying to push your views on them would be like trying to keep convincing them after the other guy has decided to end the conversation

[QUOTE=Smug Bastard;50571994]politely reasoning with people is hardly trying to push your views on them IMO trying to push your views on them would be like trying to keep convincing them after the other guy has decided to end the conversation[/QUOTE] I feel that falls more under "forcing" than "pushing", where forcing is where you go over the end of the rational spectrum. It all comes down to just having common sense and reading social queues just like you would in a regular conversation. Obviously online its harder to do so.

[QUOTE=skatehawk11;50572158]If that's their opinion they should be free to speak it.[/QUOTE] They are free to speak it; Youtube just doesn't want them to speak it on their privately owned website.

[QUOTE=skatehawk11;50572158]If that's their opinion they should be free to speak it.[/QUOTE] Are they in jail? No? Then how are they not free? They have not been silenced so they're by definition, free to speak.

[QUOTE=dimitrik129;50568889]I support the LGBT community, but it starts being a problem when the rights of other people are hindered (ie. allowing people into bathrooms of the opposite gender.). It is unfair to those who idenify with the sex that they were born with.[/QUOTE] it doesn't hinder anyones rights. This is completely foolish thinking, and the only people who are actually ~affected~ by this are people who are overly paranoid and phobic for reasons of their own. [QUOTE=MaximLaHaxim;50568966]This is just being an asshole and also making the problem worse. Forcing your views onto homophobic people won't make them change their minds, and will also make them hate pro-LGBTQ people more.[/QUOTE] [QUOTE=RzDat;50568842]And you'll probably keep doing that until it resorts to violence. The more you push your views down people's throats the more they will hate you.[/QUOTE] Good. they can hate Duck M. for politely forcing the matter all they want. They're still wrong. LGBT 'members' will still try their best to convince them why. The only way we'll abolish gay hate is by educating people in polite debate. This worked for women, the blacks, and it's working for LGBT. Not telling them that their opinions are sour and pointlessly negative only makes it continue being an issue. If some fag enabling offends them then so be it, let them be offended. I hope that when they bitch about it on twitter their comment goes viral and an entire shitstorm ensues and it stresses them out, because they need to stop being against what basically amounts to simple human rights and grow the fuck up. And if it's seriously is that stressful maybe they should lock themselves in a shack in the woods and live off of moss and wood scraps until they stop being awful. [QUOTE=skatehawk11;50568892]I personally frown upon the LGBTQ community but personal beliefs aside, I think me (and many others) are just annoyed at the fact that the LGBTQ community just wants attention and keeps pressing the mindset of trying to make their sexuality the norm. I don't go out and attack a person just because they are LGBTQ but when they keep flaunting their pride on their sexuality it is just plane out annoying. I don't go out saying "WHOO Straight Pride!!!!!" every other day. I know people who are LGBTQ and supporters of the community saying it is annoying seeing them push it every day on social media.[/QUOTE] LGBT are so hardcore with pride in themselves because they have to offbalance the sheer hate they get. It's good to spite people who hate on LGBT. That, and you're annoyed that LGBT people are pressing the mindset of making their sexuality normal? Well no shit they are, it IS perfectly normal. Also, LGBT don't go out saying "Wooo gay pride!!!" either. Only someone who doesn't understand LGBT would think this. Shit you see in the media isn't the same as reality. Oh and [t]http://rebelsoulutionsdesigns.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/11/Straight-Pride.jpg[/t] Straight people can do it too. [QUOTE=skatehawk11;50568989]There is no denying that they are victims of hate crimes but what is saying they are proud of their sexuality going to do to stop violent crimes? If anything it would aggravate a person more when they continually bring up their sexuality and want to be treated like a special snowflake.[/QUOTE] LGBT people shouldn't be afraid of being who they are. They don't continuously bring up their sexuality like you imagine, they simply express it as a part of them. They shouldn't hide it just cause some bad men will do bad things. Living in fear isn't acceptable. Regardless. Here's the part where I express my sexuality, I'm gay. [QUOTE=dimitrik129;50568992]Let's take a male for example: So long as you carry the appendages and genetics of a male - you are biologically a male. With that being true, you cannot stop people from viewing you in that sense. You can be accepted into being female-indentified, but it doesn't mean you will make other females uncomfortable in an area where they are extremely vunerable (the bathroom).[/QUOTE] I used to think exactly this way. I was a bit foolish for thinking this. You are no more naive and ignorant than I was. I stopped being a giant dick however and figured out that the world doesn't revolve around me and my shitty harmful opinions. [QUOTE=dimitrik129;50569149]I just have a hard time grasping at the invasion of privacy some women might feel. In the case that I would become a father, I would be concerned for my children's privacy if they shared bathrooms and lockerooms with people of opposite sex. I know plenty of people who are a part of the LGBT community, and although I do not agree with them on everything, I am still accepting of what they identify as.[/QUOTE] You aren't accepting of them worth shit if you can't accept that they're perfectly normal humans just like you. They bleed like you, they poop like you, they die like you, they even think like you. They are no different, except in the fact that they feel like they don't belong in their own body, causing them to transition genders. [QUOTE=skatehawk11;50569218]I believe violent demonstrations against the LGBT community is through deep hatred. When the LGBT community continues to continually say how proud they are of their sexuality is just going to aggravate those who want to use violence on them. There is really no benefit of this, just being annoying.[/QUOTE] This is victim blaming and you're morally in the wrong for doing it. [QUOTE=skatehawk11;50569260]You're twisting my words. You tell me what benefit has proclaiming pride on the sexuality have done to them? In my observation it seems ever since the LGBT has been pushing their pride movements there has been more violence than ever. I'm not saying "if you shut your mouth no one will hurt you" but it does not help you either.[/QUOTE] They shouldn't live in fear. Fuck that. They have every right to proclaim their gay. it doesn't matter how much it "aggravates" violence either. Just because someone tells you that you don't deserve human rights doesn't mean you should stop being who you are. BTW I'm gay. [QUOTE=dimitrik129;50569322]I am actually being serious. All of my arguments before were justifying why segregated bathrooms were created to begin with. If everyone has a problem with that and my opinions are so far out there, then I have no problem assimilating. My intentions were only to defend the rights of women and men as I saw fit.[/QUOTE] Reasonable enough really [QUOTE=skatehawk11;50569335]I am saying that simply saying you're proud of your sexuality over and over again is not going to change anything. There is a difference when protesting or fighting for something politically (like legalizing gay marriage). I don't see the point of the video, what is the argument they are trying to get across? They got gay marriage legalized and people start killing them, what is saying they are proud going to do to help the situation?[/QUOTE] Actual LGBT people aren't as open about it as you think. They don't go around saying "oh btw im gay" unless it is relevant in conversation. I can tell you've never actually met a gay person or haven't actually KNOWN that you did. because this is an imaginary thing you're making up. [QUOTE=skatehawk11;50569451]Think about it, those who want to commit violent acts are they going to see the video and think "Yeah they are right, I support them now" or "They are geting on my nerves, I must do something"[/QUOTE] so what you're saying is that gay people should pretend to not exist and mask their identity. [t]http://www.goodtherapy.org/blog/blog/wp-content/uploads/2015/10/crowd-wearing-masks.jpg[/t] sorry but that isn't a real solution. The reason blacks were given rights is because they expressed pride in who they were, they didn't live in the shadows and pretended to not exist, they yelled louder and pounded their feet until they got their way and it worked really, really well. Now they can actually walk outside and not be called a "MONKEY" every 5 seconds. TBH if you ask me, LGBT people should get louder and stomp harder. [QUOTE=skatehawk11;50569506]I agree, but they finally got all they wanted. They can march in pride marches all they want, it won't stop the violence and bigotry, that's something you can't change with a law. It seems the majority of people accept LGBT, why do they still have to do it? That's like America still trying to separate from England in 2016.[/QUOTE] Yes, actually, it will. More awareness to the LGBT issue the better. [QUOTE=skatehawk11;50569565]I don't think you understand, I have repeatedly said it does not [B]start[/B] violence it will [B]aggravate[/B] those who want to demonstrate violence.[/QUOTE] You can say that all you want but in the end, aggravation of violence is starting violence. [QUOTE=skatehawk11;50569659]I understand what you're saying but a video like this is not going to stop anti-LGBT people to change their ways. It is impossible to stop hate, these pride parades could only foster hate since it is just going to aggravate those who hate them already, not persuade neutral people over to their side.[/QUOTE] People like you are why the hate doesn't end. Thinking this way only allows it to continue to exist. So does ignoring it. [QUOTE=skatehawk11;50569675]Youtube just changed their logo and when you clicked it, it took you to their spotlight channel to auto play that video. If you ask me, that's forceful.[/QUOTE] good. LGBT issues need to be forced upon people whether or not they like it. I hope they run an ad across your screen too with air horns blaring. [QUOTE=skatehawk11;50569953]That's what is wrong. You're forcing people to believe just what you want. I don't force people what I think but I express it even if it is controversial. I might disagree with someone's beliefs but I don't hate them because they are different than mine.[/QUOTE] Tbh the more people accept that LGBT isn't actually an issue the better the only conversation a gay man should have with someone else when opening up is the response "Oh, cool I guess" [QUOTE=skatehawk11;50570273] It's hard to find evidence of something that does not even exist yet. The best you can do is to get similar situations. If the law does not exist you can't just keep firing back "let's see some proof". We need to stop it before we get some tragic proof.[/QUOTE] Pretty ironic isn't it???????????? this post?????? LOL! [QUOTE=skatehawk11;50570515]That is the exact opposite of what i'm arguing. I will type my argument as clearly as I can. [B]Due to the transgender community requesting to have equality in the sex separated rooms such as bathrooms, locker rooms, showers, changing rooms, etc. It opens up a loop hole of non-transgender sexual predators claiming they are transgender when entering the separated room allowing them to creep on others. It is not the transgender peoples fault, but the loop hole the law they request has in it.[/B][/QUOTE] Love it when someone thinks they can play armchair lawyer tbh. Funny every time. Why are you trying to talk about the law when you don't actually know anything about it. [QUOTE=skatehawk11;50570542]Before the law you can be punished for just simply stepping a foot in the separated room. With this law you can not be punished if you ID as transgender even if you are lying. See how it makes it easier?[/QUOTE] [QUOTE=skatehawk11;50570071]I agree, the LGBT community should not be killed or be victims of violent attacks but there are some things the LGBT community is requesting that are too far. I know this is a whole other rabbit hole but a great example is the transgender bathroom law. I know that transgender want to have equality and use the gender separated rooms but then it is putting those at risk because some creep can just identify as "transgender" because no proof is required except what you say and walk into locker rooms and creep on the people changing. What's your opinion on that?[/QUOTE] [video=youtube;DnmDMK7ZEos]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DnmDMK7ZEos[/video] pretty much all I need to say tbh [QUOTE=skatehawk11;50570592]You know how easy it is to sneak in with a camera then leave without anyone noticing and being caught by the authorities. It is an easy crime to do and get away with and this law will only foster that.[/QUOTE] Transgender laws don't change that. All you need to do is dress up like a janitor and you already can get into any place anywhere. No one will question you. Merely blend in and you can access the bathroom with full camera gear and be out in no time. [QUOTE=skatehawk11;50570844]I can't but help notice everyone here is either 1.LGBT themselvs or 2.liberal. I'm not the only person arguing this and you know that. Too bad I fighting a 1 v 100 army here.[/QUOTE] Tbh only reason for this is because you're in the wrong mate. You're using mental gymnastics to try and justify it. BTW I'm gay. [QUOTE=skatehawk11;50570882]Do you understand that the law hurts everyone involved. I and quite frankly most of the government would rather risk the minority than the majority.[/QUOTE] the only people harmed by LGBT rights are giant man babies like you. [QUOTE=skatehawk11;50570773]You liberals sure like taking guns away, i'm surprised you said that in a bad light. What is more important: risking the majority or risking the minority? No one wins in this situation. Would you rather kill 100 people for 1 person or 1 person for 100?[/QUOTE] Personally I'm pro-gun, but that's kind of offtopic and pointless. [QUOTE=skatehawk11;50570919]What is more important to you? Hurting a person's feelings because they can't use the bathroom they want or risk the majority with sexual predators, violent or not.[/QUOTE] "oh gosh, I can't say I'm trans to get into this bathroom. That means a magical barrier prevents me from entering and I now cannot commit RAPE" bathroom laws change literally nothing. Creeps will be creeps regardless of your imaginary scenarios. [QUOTE=skatehawk11;50571057]That article is from 2010 so during that time is was rare. I still think it is a bit rare today in 2016 but if this law is fully accepted I believe it will skyrocket. Anything else to point out or continue to article 2?[/QUOTE] tbh I wonder if you even read your own articles. None of them have anything to back your armchair lawyerisms up. [QUOTE=skatehawk11;50572158]If that's their opinion they should be free to speak it.[/QUOTE] Freedom of speech doesn't cover hate speech. And hate speech isn't a valid opinion. an opinion is one thing, just calling for the genocide of a minority isn't one of them. [QUOTE=skatehawk11;50570973]I really care about this topic, I am not just some troll bigot to make you guys mad for fun.[/QUOTE] I care about it too. In fact, I care too much about this topic, and everyone else here cares about it quite a bit, some far more than me. They aren't going to stop until this thread is locked, either. You're going to be arguing for a long time, and against a LOT of people if it continues for long enough.

My only issues are the LGBTQ's recent inability to properly organize, just...lots of screaming. And that the BTQ are still completely ignored or treated with tokenism or insults which rest her soul made an ex scream in pure anger at lesbians and gays over the way she was treated for being trans. I don't go near functions because of that. [editline]23rd June 2016[/editline] And this video would make her spin in her grave.

[QUOTE=skatehawk11;50572158]If that's their opinion they should be free to speak it.[/QUOTE] Someone could always click their Google+ page and find their facebook or other social media profile, then send a message to their employer about their behavior like they did with that Walmart employee. And the BTQ community does not appear to be ignored, as it has garnered incredible fervor on social media these past few years regarding bisexual erasure and increased transgendered support following the stupidity of the bathroom bill. Can't say much about Q's since such defies classification. I know I saw Tumblr's BTQ population rather upset with the rainbow flag being everywhere and wanted each of their own to be represented in media as well, and not be under the blanket of a rainbow flag.

[QUOTE=Duck M.;50571984]You can push your views onto other people without being an abrasive asshole, educating and eliminating ignorance through polite, positive and rational discourse is the way forward. But if you ever think that I, as a LGBT individual, would ever just not even try to change their minds, you're nuts.[/QUOTE] Believe it or not, some people would rather kick the shit out of you instead of having a polite discussion. It's a good thing you choose to educate through a polite discussion, but sometimes you can't change people's opinions no matter how many facts you'd give them. Some people are born ignorant and would rather stick to their opinions instead of hearing others. Think of it as hardcore trump supporters against polite bernie supporters or vice versa.

[QUOTE=RzDat;50573113]Believe it or not, some people would rather kick the shit out of you instead of having a polite discussion. It's a good thing you choose to educate through a polite discussion, but sometimes you can't change people's opinions no matter how many facts you'd give them. Some people are born ignorant and would rather stick to their opinions instead of hearing others. Think of it as hardcore trump supporters against polite bernie supporters or vice versa.[/QUOTE] Pretty much the grim side of things. Some people just grow into racism/homo hate and then they never get out of it, ever. in publically arguing with people who irrationally hate however, someone will see how irrational they're being and change their opinions, even if it'll be a slow process. So in public-internet-conversation, it's positive no matter what. It's out there, people can read it, and decide which side is right for themselves.

[QUOTE=hoodoo456;50572175]They are free to speak it; Youtube just doesn't want them to speak it on their privately owned website.[/QUOTE] What is going with Facebook is pretty fucked up. As of right now they are censoring any negative comments regarding the Syrian refugee crisis with the help of the Chancellor of Germany. Being that Facebook is the only site of its kind, its pretty easy to push one sided viewpoints, and arguably propanda. [url]https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2016/feb/26/mark-zuckerberg-hate-speech-germany-facebook-refugee-crisis[/url] Same could be done with YouTube though I haven't seen it.

[QUOTE=dimitrik129;50574507]What is going with Facebook is pretty fucked up. As of right now they are censoring any negative comments regarding the Syrian refugee crisis with the help of the Chancellor of Germany. Being that Facebook is the only site of its kind, its pretty easy to push one sided viewpoints, and arguably propanda. [url]https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2016/feb/26/mark-zuckerberg-hate-speech-germany-facebook-refugee-crisis[/url] Same could be done with YouTube though I haven't seen it.[/QUOTE] I don't agree with blocking speech at all but censoring hate speech is a different story entirely. Assuming they're blocking hate speech, and not all speech, of course.

[QUOTE=J!NX;50575762]I don't agree with blocking speech at all but censoring hate speech is a different story entirely. Assuming they're blocking hate speech, and not all speech, of course.[/QUOTE] [QUOTE]“The sinister thing about what Facebook is doing is that it is now removing speech that presumably almost everybody might consider racist — along with speech that only someone at Facebook decides is ‘racist,'” Murray writes. “And it just so happens to turn out that, lo and behold, this idea of ‘racist’ speech appears to include anything critical of the EU’s current catastrophic immigration policy.” [/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=skatehawk11;50575890]Hate speech is speech regardless. These new internet censoring "safe-spaces" are just awful. I should be able to voice my opinion whether or not is is right/wrong, hateful or controversial. When you just censor out others opinions there is no democracy.[/QUOTE] the internet isn't covered by freedom of speech regardless so, sucks for you. Facepunch can get away with it because it's a privately owned platform, and is youtube and facebook and everything else. These websites aren't a democracy and never will be. I don't agree with censoring racism or homophobia too much either but when ones 'opinion' is that "all jews deserve to be shot and killed in a pit" they need to go away. Hate speech has no positives, only negatives. Blocking THAT out is only a good thing, no matter how you want to slice it. [editline]23rd June 2016[/editline] there's a big difference between simply saying that "Gays shouldn't marry" and something like "Gays deserve to burn in hell" and if you can't understand the difference then I'm afraid you have an incredibly warped view of reality. Same shit goes for saying something like "Anti-LGBT individuals need to be rounded up and shot" The difference is that it's caustic and harmful to everyone and doesn't bring anything to any arguments. It doesn't benefit anyone to say. Not blocking it is merely enabling flaming. [editline]23rd June 2016[/editline] BTW, no, censoring hate speech isn't creating a "Safe space". Censoring all speech you don't like is, but blocking hate speech is merely making sure your site isn't filled with trash.

RE: everything skatehawk11 said ok lets say you're totally right and we should protect men and women from creepers and teens that think they're funny exploiting a system. lets repeal the few bathroom equality laws that were legislated and legislate a new one based off of genitalia. alright lets see what happens, going to look into my magic bullshit crystal ball here... hmmm yes i see it now. i see pedophiles and creepers going to jail just as much as they already do. all except the gay ones which i feel is important to mention [URL="http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/1556756"]are not a vast minority by any means[/URL]. yep these gay pedophiles are still sexually assaulting children because bathroom laws don't do anything about them. oh the vision is changing, i wonder what the bullshit ball will show next! here it is, i see transwomen being exceedingly uncomfortable and publicly humiliated by entering a men's bathroom when they're so obviously a woman. i see men inside the men's bathroom giving said transwomen very odd looks, and pointing out to them that they may have walked into the wrong restroom. oh the image is getting worse, i see the transwomen being assaulted by violent transphobic men just for peeing in the restroom they're legally required to walk into. oh the image is changing again... now it's transmen, they're walking into the women's bathroom just as uncomfortable and embarrassed as the transwomen. the women inside immediately react with anger and yelling, a few are throwing things at them or trying to push them towards the door. oh look that one is calling the police on someone following the law! now this transman has to explain to this police officer that he has a vagina and there's no issue here, meanwhile across the street a drunk driver crashes into a day care. good thing the transman wasn't a sexual predator though! i'm glad this police visit wasn't time wasted. wow the bullshit ball truly does live up to its name! i'm glad i live in a world where progress is being made and people like skatehawk11 can only vote once.