#ProudToBe [YouTube Spotlight/Huge Shitstorm in the Comments] - General

[QUOTE=skatehawk11;50588510]I can't answer 15 questions at the same time. Compile a list of arguments I have skipped over and I will be more than happy to answer them.[/QUOTE] You've skipped the VAST MAJORITY of our arguments in favour of quips, "YOU LIBERALS" and "you all have a mental disorder" despite any arguments to the contrary.

[QUOTE=skatehawk11;50588510]I can't answer 15 questions at the same time. Compile a list of arguments I have skipped over and I will be more than happy to answer them.[/QUOTE] [url]https://facepunch.com/showthread.php?t=1524007&p=50588428&viewfull=1#post50588428[/url] [url]https://facepunch.com/showthread.php?t=1524007&p=50588341&viewfull=1#post50588341[/url] [url]https://facepunch.com/showthread.php?t=1524007&p=50587957&viewfull=1#post50587957[/url] [url]https://facepunch.com/showthread.php?t=1524007&p=50587670&viewfull=1#post50587670[/url] continue ad nauseam

[QUOTE=skatehawk11;50588459]What you're explaining is vestigial structures and they were useful at one point. Throughout evolution we are geting rid of them since we don't use it anymore. The appendix had a purpose at one time for storing helpful chemicals and bacteria. Homosexuality on the other hand provides no clear purpose biologically and logically. It never has and it never will unlike the vestigial structures you explained.[/QUOTE] why does it matter? Life isn't purely survival, purely genetics, purely any of this bullshit anymore.

If we stuck solely to our "biological design" then we'd be eating, shitting, fucking, and running animals down to eat them. and its debatable that we'd still have gay people.

[QUOTE=Kyle902;50588536]If we stuck solely to our "biological design" then we'd be eating, shitting, fucking, and running animals down to eat them. and its debatable that we'd still have gay people.[/QUOTE] we'd probably still have quite a number of gay people, similar to the population % now.

[QUOTE=HumanAbyss;50588552]we'd probably still have quite a number of gay people, similar to the population % now.[/QUOTE] yep.

[QUOTE=skatehawk11;50588436]Using your teeth or not is not a mental disorder. Humans are programed omnivores and your teeth allow you to eat both interchangeably. Sexuality is different because you're attracted to the same sex, what would be the biological purpose for that? When you were being developed why wouldn't your brain correspond to your body?[/QUOTE] animals have gay sex. nature has gay sex. Yet, you can't reconcile that it happens in humans? Why? You've been getting offended when anyone calls you a "right winger", a "gun lover", a "bigot" or anything else but you've never let up with your denigration of any and all LGBT people and the irony of that notion is literally palpable with you. How you can get pissy about what people call you while you deride, and denegirate another group of people is just literally laughable.

To add to what HumanAbyss is saying, homosexual behavior has been encountered in all human societies at quite a few points in their history. So either there's a massive gay conspiracy that spans the millennium or theres a biological basis for homosexuality

But it's not solely in humans, dude.

[QUOTE=skatehawk11;50588581]You're saying science does not matter at all because it can't explain in a good light why homosexuality exists. You guys have asked me biological questions on why we still have things and usually the answer is [B]it was useful at one point/served a purpose.[/B] You can't explain [B]homosexuality[/B] as biologically useful/serves and have [B]never served a purpose[/B] and it just makes logical sense that it is a mental disorder because your body was not designed properly for your brain. [B]Why is dissociative identity a disorder but transgenderism is not?[/B] [editline]24th June 2016[/editline] Mental disorders are not a 21st century medical problems, they have been around since the start of mankind. Just because gays have been around for along time does not mean it makes biological sense/normal human behavior.[/QUOTE] who in the fuck cares if its needed for survival. just because its not needed for survival /= its a disorder. if it was a disorder than everyone in the entire world has disorders for things they dont need.

[QUOTE=skatehawk11;50588581]You're saying science does not matter at all because it can't explain in a good light why homosexuality exists.[/QUOTE] What does that to do with science? Stop with the false equivalencies. Furthermore we just explained exactly what you're talking about in the above post. [quote] You guys have asked me biological questions on why we still have things and usually the answer is [B]it was useful at one point/served a purpose.[/B] You can't explain [B]homosexuality[/B] as biologically useful/serves and have [B]never served a purpose[/B] and it just makes logical sense that it is a mental disorder because your body was not designed properly for your brain. [/quote] Allow me to borrow an argument YOU YOURSELF used in this thread. [quote=previous Skatehawk Statement]Where are you geting that from? Noncoding DNA provides purpose that we are unclear of. It's not useless or not needed.[/quote] Using this argument I can also say that just because we are unsure of the purpose of homosexuality in biology does not mean that it doesn't have one. [quote] [B]Why is dissociative identity a disorder but transgenderism is not?[/B][/quote] Because they're fundamentally different issues? Furthermore to my knowledge DID has no basis in biology. I've already established that GID does.

[QUOTE=skatehawk11;50588581]You're saying science does not matter at all because it can't explain in a good light why homosexuality exists. You guys have asked me biological questions on why we still have things and usually the answer is [B]it was useful at one point/served a purpose.[/B] You can't explain [B]homosexuality[/B] as biologically useful/serves and have [B]never served a purpose[/B] and it just makes logical sense that it is a mental disorder because your body was not designed properly for your brain. [B]Why is dissociative identity a disorder but transgenderism is not?[/B] [editline]24th June 2016[/editline] Mental disorders are not a 21st century medical problems, they have been around since the start of mankind. Just because gays have been around for along time does not mean it makes biological sense/normal human behavior.[/QUOTE] How do you explain gay sex in nature and literally all human societys? How do YOU explain it to yourself? How do you rationalize that through out all of human history, there's been gay people? Does it upset you? Seems like it upset you. Since when are you the expert on what the human brain was meant for? You're not.

[QUOTE=skatehawk11;50588581]You're saying science does not matter at all because it can't explain in a good light why homosexuality exists. You guys have asked me biological questions on why we still have things and usually the answer is [B]it was useful at one point/served a purpose.[/B] You can't explain [B]homosexuality[/B] as biologically useful/serves and have [B]never served a purpose[/B] and it just makes logical sense that it is a mental disorder because your body was not designed properly for your brain. [B]Why is dissociative identity a disorder but transgenderism is not?[/B] [editline]24th June 2016[/editline] Mental disorders are not a 21st century medical problems, they have been around since the start of mankind. Just because gays have been around for along time does not mean it makes biological sense/normal human behavior.[/QUOTE] [B]Because a large amount of medical professionals and scientists have agreed that Gender Dysphoria is [U]NOT[/U] a mental illness.[/B] If you went to a job and they gave you a handbook on how to operate a new piece of machinery, and 99/100 engineers agreed that this is how you should operate it, would you listen to the 1 who doesn't despite the OFFICIAL HANDBOOK saying you should? because that's what you're saying about the DSCM-V

[QUOTE=skatehawk11;50588615]What? I literally just said I am not offended when you call me a "right winger or "gun lover". I'm not pissy at all. I'm having a debate, i'm not angry at all. You seem pretty angry though...[/QUOTE] Considering you repeatedly insist I have a mental disorder, yes, I'm ever so slightly angry. Yes, you insulting me, deriding my nature, is offensive, and non persuasive. Gay sex is prevalent world wide, species wide, across most animals, across most of the world. Yet, you can't accept that.

[QUOTE=skatehawk11;50588581] Mental disorders are not a 21st century medical problems, they have been around since the start of mankind. Just because gays have been around for along time does not mean it makes biological sense/normal human behavior.[/QUOTE] The fact that the same behavior has popped up in every single human civilization since the dawn of time and in fact pops up in animal populations would seem to indicate that there's a biological predisposition. [editline]24th June 2016[/editline] [QUOTE=skatehawk11;50588615]What? I literally just said I am not offended when you call me a "right winger or "gun lover". I'm not pissy at all. I'm having a debate, i'm not angry at all. You seem pretty angry though...[/QUOTE] and here we get to the "I'm perfectly chill bro" stage of trying to save face in an argument.

[QUOTE=Trebgarta;50588639]I hate to be on his side but he did say disorder, not illness.[/QUOTE] Disorder and mental illness are synonyms in that context

[QUOTE=skatehawk11;50588650]I've never claimed to be an expert in any field. It's not that hard to grasp the question of why would someone have a body that serves the opposite in what they desire mentally? You just answer back in [B]"oh well there are a lot of things that can not be explained ITS 2016 WHO CARES ABOUT BIOLOGY!!!!".[/B] I want to speak on a basis of simple biology and you don't care what science says because it will incriminate your logic.[/QUOTE] Your bias is showing through your attempts to make him look hysterical and speaking based on emotion rather than sources and logic.

[QUOTE=skatehawk11;50588650]I've never claimed to be an expert in any field. It's not that hard to grasp the question of why would someone have a body that serves the opposite in what they desire mentally? You just answer back in "oh well there are a lot of things that can not be explained ITS 2016 WHO CARES ABOUT BIOLOGY!!!!". I want to speak on a basis of simple biology and you don't care what science says because it will incriminate your logic.[/QUOTE] You're acting like an expert in every field though, so what kind of bullshit claim is that? Biologically, gay sex is natural, it's found in nature, it happens everywhere, and I'm fucking sick of you ignoring every argument you can't fucking deal with. I care about biology, and biology says gay sex is natural. Just because you can find the oddball scientist and go "NO YOU SEE IT'S A FUCKING DISORDER" but the majority of the medical field would laugh at you because biology is not on your side in this argument.

[QUOTE=skatehawk11;50588650]I've never claimed to be an expert in any field. It's not that hard to grasp the question of why would someone have a body that serves the opposite in what they desire mentally? You just answer back in "oh well there are a lot of things that can not be explained ITS 2016 WHO CARES ABOUT BIOLOGY!!!!". I want to speak on a basis of simple biology and you don't care what science says because it will incriminate your logic.[/QUOTE] You're entire argument is not one of logic. Its one of justification of your own beliefs and biases. At this point the only purpose your continued discourse has is justify your beliefs. You also haven't addressed any of my major points or any of the posts I said you skipped. Clearly you can't. [editline]24th June 2016[/editline] [QUOTE=skatehawk11;50588671]You ignore the fact that the majority of the authors are libertarian and have extreme biases. Science should be the one and only place without biases.[/QUOTE] lol. You're calling us out on our "biases" yet you can't seem to make a post without putting in a reference along the lines of "damn liberals" or "Damn libertarians"

I really hate to just post brick wall points without backing them up but this just makes my head want to explode. [QUOTE=skatehawk11;50588373]On the other hand LGBT is not natural,[/QUOTE] It is, as explained in the thread. [QUOTE=skatehawk11;50588373]logical[/QUOTE] It is, as explained in the thread. [QUOTE=skatehawk11;50588373]or normal[/QUOTE] It is, also as explained in the thread. [QUOTE=skatehawk11;50588373]because we were not designed to function that way[/QUOTE] We weren't "designed," and regardless, we defy our "design" all the time. What's wrong with flying in a plane or living in air-conditioned buildings? [QUOTE=skatehawk11;50588373]so when people want to function that way[/QUOTE] Most don't necessarily [I]want[/I] to function that way. Are you afraid of spiders or heights? Don't you want to not be afraid of them? [QUOTE=skatehawk11;50588373]it's a mental disorder.[/QUOTE] When your reasoning is this twisted and ignorant, no wonder that's what you believe.

Again at this point the continued debate is really just a formality. By not addressing our points and ignoring evidence that disproves his argument he's already established that he cannot justify his stance. He's already conceded.

[QUOTE=skatehawk11;50588671]You ignore the fact that the majority of the authors are libertarian and have extreme biases. Science should be the one and only place without biases.[/QUOTE] what!!

[QUOTE=skatehawk11;50588714]If homosexual relationships were normal then why is there no outcome of it? You should not have a brain that likes men when you are a man because men were designed to like women to reproduce vice versa. With your argument of "life is just not all about reproducing" then why is the homosexual brain tricking itself into making want to reproduce with men?[/QUOTE] by your logic you should also be against the usage of condoms and contraceptives. Reproduction isn't the only purpose of sex.

[QUOTE=skatehawk11;50588671]You ignore the fact that the majority of the authors are libertarian and have extreme biases. Science should be the one and only place without biases.[/QUOTE] You realize we had to argue for over 15 years with the head of the DSCM-V to get it changed, Right? He's the farthest from having a trans-friendly bias you could get. He STILL tried to fuck people over with the DSCM-V with classifying "Transvestic Fetishism" which means a bigoted doctor could diagnose you with that instead and it would be 10x harder to start your transition Again I was a part of the movement to get it changed. You don't know what you're talking about. There are little to no bias on the DSCM Board. And again I go back to my analogy, would you not listen to 99/100 engineers on how to operate a machine just because you think they're biased in some way? It's the handbook for doctors and psychiatrists for a reason. It's the accepted medical fact.

[QUOTE=skatehawk11;50588671]You ignore the fact that the majority of the authors are libertarian and have extreme biases. Science should be the one and only place without biases.[/QUOTE] What kind of nonsense drivel of an argument is this? What does this even mean? You're literally just demanding that we discount any and all science that doesn't conform to YOU.

[QUOTE=skatehawk11;50588733][URL="http://www.newyorker.com/science/maria-konnikova/social-psychology-biased-republicans"]Source[/URL][/QUOTE] Libertarians are not Liberals. By this source, you're disproving your own words because Libertarians were a small fraction of the room

[QUOTE=skatehawk11;50588733][URL="http://www.newyorker.com/science/maria-konnikova/social-psychology-biased-republicans"]Source[/URL][/QUOTE] so your citation is an anecdote by someone else. are you even trying anymore? [editline]24th June 2016[/editline] also the fact that you apparently don't know the difference between liberals and libertarians means you also lack the knowledge to even have a personal bias against liberals. jesus christ

[QUOTE=skatehawk11;50588714]If homosexual relationships were normal then why is there no outcome of it? You should not have a brain that likes men when you are a man because men were designed to like women to reproduce vice versa. With your argument of "life is just not all about reproducing" then why is the homosexual brain tricking itself into making want to reproduce with men?[/QUOTE] Because there's such an emotion called "love" Your entire argument literally falls right the fuck apart in your lap because you're doing something LITERALLY FUCKING USELESS FOR YOUR SURVIVAL RIGHT NOW. Yet, you're alive, your brain hasn't just said "no this is stupid" and turned off and let you die, no, you're still arguing, because survival isn't the driving force behind anything we do anymore. If you don't understand that, too bad, there seems to be no method of talking to you that doesn't just result in your rewriting science, history, social behaviour, all of it to your favour.

[QUOTE=skatehawk11;50588714]If homosexual relationships were normal then why is there no outcome of it? You should not have a brain that likes men when you are a man because men were designed to like women to reproduce vice versa. With your argument of "life is just not all about reproducing" then why is the homosexual brain tricking itself into making want to reproduce with men?[/QUOTE] Probably for the same reason your own brain "tricks you" into enjoying clams, tunafish, hotdogs, or whatever disgusting food it might be that you like so much :v:. I might almost puke at the thought of eating it myself, but I would never criticize anyone else for enjoying it, try to get it banned, or kill anyone for it.

[QUOTE=skatehawk11;50588733][URL="http://www.newyorker.com/science/maria-konnikova/social-psychology-biased-republicans"]Source[/URL][/QUOTE] Do you even know what a liberal, or a libertarian is? No, you clearly fucking don't. A libertarian is not a more hardcore liberal. A liberal is not even related to libertarianism. Good god this is just a fucking joke isn't? You're just trolling us and fucking with us aren't you because there's no way you can be THAT uninformed.