#ProudToBe [YouTube Spotlight/Huge Shitstorm in the Comments] - General

I'm not L, G, B, or T, but I still find your argument very silly.

[QUOTE=skatehawk11;50589726]Having a bias in research is very much skewing the results as if you were to get data/results from an unbiased experiment. Biases in the medical community taint results as confirmed by Harvard and Berkeley.[/quote] I never denied that. But you're painting unintentional bias as intentionally faking results. [quote] You don't think there is any bias here in the thread because everyone arguing against me has identified as LGBT... hermm...[/quote] Just because I'm biased doesn't mean I'm wrong. Half of the shit you've posted is demonstrably and objectively false. I'd look at your own biases during our discourse before you go off spouting about my biases. [quote] I don't think I saw the arguments you pointed out, link them and I will answer them right now if no one posts anything else. I like to respond to the newest posts.[/quote] [url]https://facepunch.com/showthread.php?t=1524007&p=50588526&highlight=#post50588526[/url] [quote] And so do left wingers like in the posts I have made above. This whole post was arguing about equality of LGBT people. Why can't we conservatives get the same in return?[/QUOTE] Notably because LGBT people are inherently affected by peoples work in psychology. [editline]24th June 2016[/editline] Hell the very fact that you've argued about this for as long as you have some level of bias or emotional connection to the problem.

Nah because I'm not the one being asked to provide sources, nor do I feel like justifying why I feel like LGBT people are not a classification of mental disorder that needs to be constrained rather than accepted.

[QUOTE=skatehawk11;50589770]-snip-[/QUOTE] Come to think of it why the fuck do you care so much about things people do that harm literally no one?

If LGBT is a disorder, doesn't that mean it should be diagnosed and treated as one? [URL="http://psychcentral.com/disorders/"]much like Tourette’s, autism, OCD, and bipolarism[/URL] As a note, LGBT being marked as a disorder means that it's also grouped with [URL="http://psychcentral.com/disorders/pica-symptoms/"]Pica[/URL], [URL="http://psychcentral.com/disorders/erectile-disorder-symptoms/"]erectile disorder[/URL], [URL="http://psychcentral.com/disorders/narcolepsy-symptoms/"]narcolepsy[/URL] and [URL="http://psychcentral.com/disorders/category/schizophrenia-psychosis/"]psychosis[/URL] All of these require serious medical/psychological treatment and can massively affect peoples physical and mental health Does being an LGBT affect ones mental and physical health like these do?

I'm not going to phrase my post like it's important, because it isn't. And for that matter, the argument that's taken up 16 pages in this thread isn't important either. Do either sides of this argument honestly think they're going to change the mind of who you're arguing against? I'm serious, if you've been arguing in this thread, look at who you're talking to and ask yourself if you think they'll change their mind. Since the answer will probably be "no", why post? Seriously, why should you post if literally nothing will happen except for feeling a bit more upset than normal? All that LGBT people want is acceptance, and one of the few things that pointless forum arguments like this affect is that feeling of being accepted. So, before you continue the argument with another post, reconsider for at least a moment what you're actually going to accomplish. Don't bother arguing with me either, because this is the only post I'm making in this thread. Any more would be pointless.

[QUOTE=Geiger;50589820]I'm not going to phrase my post like it's important, because it isn't. And for that matter, the argument that's taken up 16 pages in this thread isn't important either. Do either sides of this argument honestly think they're going to change the mind of who you're arguing against? I'm serious, if you've been arguing in this thread, look at who you're talking to and ask yourself if you think they'll change their mind. Since the answer will probably be "no", why post? Seriously, why should you post if literally nothing will happen except for feeling a bit more upset than normal? All that LGBT people want is acceptance, and one of the few things that pointless forum arguments like this affect is that feeling of being accepted. So, before you continue the argument with another post, reconsider for at least a moment what you're actually going to accomplish. Don't bother arguing with me either, because this is the only post I'm making in this thread. Any more would be pointless.[/QUOTE] I don't care if he'll never agree. I don't even care if he's a troll (not saying you are skate!) We don't argue because of any reason other than we find it fun to, or at least, that's why [B]I am[/B] personally. Doesn't matter if it goes no where, both sides are informing eachother regardless, even if it's only informing their own opinions more it's still improving them. Just because we've been shitting on eachother for 16 pages doesn't mean we aren't having fun doing it. Bickering is a great way to chill and relieve stress.

[QUOTE=Geiger;50589820]I'm not going to phrase my post like it's important, because it isn't. And for that matter, the argument that's taken up 16 pages in this thread isn't important either. Do either sides of this argument honestly think they're going to change the mind of who you're arguing against? I'm serious, if you've been arguing in this thread, look at who you're talking to and ask yourself if you think they'll change their mind. Since the answer will probably be "no", why post? Seriously, why should you post if literally nothing will happen except for feeling a bit more upset than normal? All that LGBT people want is acceptance, and one of the few things that pointless forum arguments like this affect is that feeling of being accepted. So, before you continue the argument with another post, reconsider for at least a moment what you're actually going to accomplish. Don't bother arguing with me either, because this is the only post I'm making in this thread. Any more would be pointless.[/QUOTE] I argue with people because even now theres a remote chance I can correct an ignorance of the subject matter and point out inconsistencies in their beliefs. Is the chance remote? Sure. But if I can change just one persons mind on the subject then thats worth it to me.

[QUOTE=Kyle902;50589841]I argue with people because even now theres a remote chance I can correct an ignorance of the subject matter and point out inconsistencies in their beliefs. Is the chance remote? Sure. But if I can change just one persons mind on the subject then thats worth it to me.[/QUOTE] at least if you don't change anyones minds, you're still improving your 'debate technique' and informing yourself better on the subject. You're still improving yourself in some way.

[QUOTE=J!NX;50589859]at least if you don't change anyones minds, you're still improving your 'debate technique' and informing yourself better on the subject. You're still improving yourself in some way.[/QUOTE] Honestly at this point I could probably copypaste my arguments from other threads and put them into this one and switch the names. The arguments people use are always the exact same drivel in every thread.

[QUOTE=skatehawk11;50589881]Once again we all have biases and are expressing them though this debate.[/QUOTE] But your biases are skewing your arguments. [quote] By normal I go with the laws of science and biological findings with [B]unbiased research.[/B][/quote] What do you even mean by this? [quote] The parties are not pride parades. We are not expressing our sexuality for the sole purpose of expressing it.[/quote] If you're saying that parades such as that aren't displays expressing heterosexuality for the sake of expressing it then you're wrong. [quote] I'm talking about human behavior and mental disorders and why it should have been kept as a mental disorder[/quote] If we made every deviancy from the "human norm" a disorder then the DSM would end up being the worlds longest book. [quote] A. Not really, the whole idea of it being a mental disorder is not far fetched B. I think I worded it wrong but I mean why would you have XY chromosomes and be attracted to men and XX chromosome and be attracted to women?[/quote] Because biology does not deal in correct or not correct. It simply is. Attraction to women is just as valid as attraction to men. [quote] Never claimed I was and yes it is a mental disorder.[/quote] Pardon me if I take the word of the medical establishment over a fucking high school student. [quote] Homosexuality and Transsexuality were both classifyed as mental disorders until the bias left wing started to take control of the APA.[/quote] lol. Or maybe it was just societal progress? That study you linked simply stated that they were investigating if the results were skewed. Not that they found that the results were skewed. [quote] I mean the choice of saying it is not a mental disorder They are all mental disorders yes. Some not as impacting but still disorders and we should not be making special amenities for them.[/quote] They are mental disorders in your eyes but not the eyes of the scientific and medical establishments. Allow me to ask you this question. If you were a psychologist treating a transgender person, what would you have them do? How would you treat them? [editline]24th June 2016[/editline] At this point its looking more and more like you simply have a disdain for the LGBT community

[QUOTE=skatehawk11;50589979] I would want to cure them in a way that does not involve reconstructing your whole body and telling you lies.[/QUOTE] This is all I needed to know about you. You clearly know nothing about what its like or you wouldn't be saying such things. I would be dead right now if I didn't get on hormones. Its easy to say such stupid shit from a position where you are unaffected by these things. I'd love for you to be in my shoes and understand the shit that I've been through. Get some perspective, read about the lives of people who have been through these things. Hormones is, to put it mildly, life or death for most of us. Also stop calling people left wingers like its an insult that means anything. You don't get to casually dismiss peoples arguments because you think they're liberals. You don't even know where I lie on the political spectrum so how dare you make such blatant and ignorant assumptions. Why do you care so much about what people do to their own bodies? Why do you care so much about what makes people happy, or to be more accurate, what makes their lives livable? Nothing we do will affect you in any significant way. You will never be able to tell if a transgender person uses the bathroom unless you start peeping into stalls. A gay person marrying affects you in no way whatsoever. Everything you're arguing against affects you in no measurable way and has no detrimental effect on society as a whole.

[QUOTE=skatehawk11;50590044]You're saying how much pain you are experiencing and it means life or death. How in the hell can you go around saying it's not a mental disorder?[/QUOTE] Because its not. I'd go so far as to call it a birth defect. We've already established that it has roots in physiology. You also ignored 3/4ths of my post. Address my post in its entirety or concede that you are unable to. [editline]24th June 2016[/editline] for such a fan of debate you sure don't know how to do it well.

[QUOTE=skatehawk11;50590044]You're saying how much pain you are experiencing and it means life or death. How in the hell can you go around saying it's not a mental disorder?[/QUOTE] Because that's not the qualifier for a mental disorder, dipshit. Someone who's impoverished could tell you all about the pain they're going through, and how their paycheck at the end of the week means life or death, that doesn't mean that poverty is a mental disorder. [highlight](User was banned for this post ("Flaming." - Pascall))[/highlight]

saying something is a disorder or defect implies there is something wrong with it there is literally nothing wrong with it. it is normal. in humans, and the animal kingdom

[QUOTE=skatehawk11;50590044]You're saying how much pain you are experiencing and it means life or death. How in the hell can you go around saying it's not a mental disorder?[/QUOTE] if you cared about debate, you wouldn't reduce her post explaining why you're wrong down to a one sentence answer.

[QUOTE=HumanAbyss;50590096]if you cared about debate, you wouldn't reduce his post explaining why you're wrong down to a one sentence answer.[/QUOTE] It's obvious he likes debate- he just fucked up there/didn't realize

[QUOTE=skatehawk11;50590093]I have not ignored your post intentionally. Look at the post count (650) do you honestly think I can go into detail about every single question? This is also my first time debating on the internet I would honestly rather do it in person. Well we have pretty much exhausted everything there is to do on this topic so I am going to end it here. Jesus what a mess this was...[/quote] In other words you can't address the post. [quote] and no, I am not conceding I just don't have the time nor will to go on anymore.[/quote] In other words you're conceding. [quote] I hope this personally does not affect us. I respect you as a person and your differences. I have not once personally attacked you so I hope you don't think that is what this is.[/quote] Yes you have. You've made several blatantly incorrect assumptions about me as a person. [quote] Good Luck with your future endeavors.[/QUOTE] Don't patronize me.

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Why do they always concede in the exact same way with almost the exact same post verbatim? [editline]24th June 2016[/editline] [QUOTE=HumanAbyss;50590096]if you cared about debate, you wouldn't reduce his post explaining why you're wrong down to a one sentence answer.[/QUOTE] Her post. Unfortunately I can't change my name on facepunch anymore :c

[QUOTE=Kyle902;50590112]Why do they always concede in the exact same way with almost the exact same post verbatim? [editline]24th June 2016[/editline] Her post. Unfortunately I can't change my name on facepunch anymore :c[/QUOTE] ah sorry, my bad

[QUOTE=Kyle902;50590104]In other words you can't address the post. In other words you're conceding. Yes you have. You've made several blatantly incorrect assumptions about me as a person. Don't patronize me.[/QUOTE] Don't assume he's patronizing you- for all you know, he could sincerely mean what he said, which would then make you look like an asshole.

[QUOTE=MaximLaHaxim;50590130]Don't assume he's patronizing you- for all you know, he could sincerely mean it, which would then make you look like an asshole.[/QUOTE] Given he's already said he dislikes LGBT people in his first few posts I doubt it was sincere. [editline]24th June 2016[/editline] [QUOTE=HumanAbyss;50590119]ah sorry, my bad[/QUOTE] No problem [editline]24th June 2016[/editline] Peoples concessions in arguments like this always go the same for me I make X post, they can't address it so they try to gloss over it. I call them out on glossing over it. They can't address it so they leave the thread. Last time the dude said he had to go play video games :v:

[QUOTE=Kyle902;50590134]Given he's already said he dislikes LGBT people in his first few posts I doubt it was sincere. [editline]24th June 2016[/editline] No problem [editline]24th June 2016[/editline] Peoples concessions in arguments like this always go the same for me I make X post, they can't address it so they try to gloss over it. I call them out on glossing over it. They can't address it so they leave the thread. Last time the dude said he had to go play video games :v:[/QUOTE] You'd still be assuming, no matter how much you would doubt it.

[QUOTE=MaximLaHaxim;50590161]You'd still be assuming, no matter how much you would doubt it.[/QUOTE] Its also an assumption that cannot be proven or disproven regardless so I lose no face by claiming it.

[QUOTE=skatehawk11;50589979]I would want to cure them in a way that does not involve reconstructing your whole body and telling you lies.[/QUOTE] oh boy how wrong can you be to think whats best for people you have literally no idea how they are.

I like how he's against HRT and gender reassignment even though they've been procedures since like the 40s, far before the "liberals" took control of physcology.

[QUOTE=skatehawk11;50589979] I would want to cure them in a way that does not involve reconstructing your whole body and telling you lies.[/QUOTE] Wow, this thread just got dark fast How exactly do you plan on curing their homosexuality / transgender-ism?

Jesus christ it terrifies me that I could've gotten a doctor that thought like that. I wouldn't be here today

[QUOTE=skatehawk11;50589979]I would want to cure them in a way that does not involve reconstructing your whole body and telling you lies.[/QUOTE] People with this mindset can and have caused others so much pain for so little reason. Little disgusts me more than a person that thinks their personal assumptions are more important than fact and who feels the need to control and patronize anyone that lives their life in a way that doesn't follow their incredibly narrow view of reality. Not only is it unimaginably petty but it's stupid just by virtue of their effort yielding no benefit to anyone beyond their own imagined peace of mind. And too many, like skatehawk here, put forth a front of arguing for the truth when really it's about winning an inane argument and reinforcing their own views. If they were worried about the truth they'd actually do at least [I]some[/I] research about what they're arguing. But they aren't arguing for fact, or for their rights, or from a place of genuine concern for others; they're arguing that 'they're right' and they don't need to do any more research than to just believe in their own infallible 'right-ness.' And it seems that at least one never fails to crawl out of the woodwork to make sure that everyone else is convinced of just how right they are.