#ProudToBe [YouTube Spotlight/Huge Shitstorm in the Comments] - General

personally I think that people should be allowed to have their own views on this topic, but if either side (pro and anti) try to force their beliefs on others then that's bullshit.

[QUOTE=BioWaster;50568751]Well that could be argued for certain people I guess considering the comments are claiming censorship for hate speech or whatever, but what I mean by forcing is simply being branded a bigot or racist for disagreeing or providing a contradictory statement or ideology is a type of force.[/QUOTE] No it's not. If you hold beliefs that most people find dishonorable and you can't back them up with solid evidence, then you need to deal with the fact that people are rightly going to shut you down for it. You can't have your cake and eat it too. [QUOTE=BioWaster;50568751] I'm not claiming these loud idiots are the face of the LGBT group, I'm just saying these people exist and others are tired of them. I said they are a minority within the LGBT, but they are still loud and people are noticing.[/QUOTE] Then why didn't you say that in the first place? Your post in this thread which essentially amounted to "I empathize with your concerns but your people have Tumblr SJW degenerates among your ranks and this is why a completely fucking normal gay pride video is getting shit" then what difference does it make?

[QUOTE=MaximLaHaxim;50568756]personally I think that people should be allowed to have their own views on this topic, but if either side (pro and anti) try to force their beliefs on others then that's bullshit.[/QUOTE] I'll keep pushing my views onto blatantly homophobic and transphobic people because they're objectively wrong and their attitudes on the issue are actively harmful to people

[QUOTE=Smug Bastard;50568774]No it's not. If you hold beliefs that most people find dishonorable and you can't back them up with solid evidence, then you need to deal with the fact that people are rightly going to shut you down for it. You can't have your cake and eat it too.[/QUOTE] What have I said that's dishonourable? I am merely stating that people within certain groups are louder than the majority and are unreasonable to people and thus you see this shitstorm. [QUOTE=Smug Bastard;50568774]Then why didn't you say that in the first place?[/QUOTE] I'm sorry, It has been a VERY long time since I posted and I must have miscued what I'd been trying to get at.

[QUOTE=BioWaster;50568794] I'm sorry, It has been a VERY long time since I posted and I must have miscued what I'd been trying to get at.[/QUOTE] So you don't have a problem with gays or the transgendered? We're good then.

[QUOTE=Duck M.;50568780]I'll keep pushing my views onto blatantly homophobic and transphobic people because they're objectively wrong and their attitudes on the issue are actively harmful to people[/QUOTE] And you'll probably keep doing that until it resorts to violence. The more you push your views down people's throats the more they will hate you.

[QUOTE=Trebgarta;50568033]So I assume Transgenderism is an attempt to cure mental problem, a disorder. The main thing is these people say Transgenderism is a mental illness, to insult these people, to imply they are deluded or something. They arent really talking about Gender Identity Disorder.[/QUOTE] Like I said in my earlier post, I certainly don't agree with what that person is saying. It is still a mental disorder though, but having a mental disorder is not something you should be ashamed about. I don't think completely denying that it is a mental disorder is a good or healthy thing, it's just something that needs to be accepted.

[QUOTE=cdr248;50567167]Even though it is technically a mutation, it doesn't really harm the person in any way. Queer people function as well as any straight person but the problem arises when people repress themselves or they don't feel accepted. The wikipedia article you linked literally mention that most LGBT suicides are related to the fact that they're demonized by a significant slice of society. The whole gay pride and acceptance movement is to stop the stigmatization and to reassure homosexuals that they are normal human beings and that it's okay to be gay.[/QUOTE] I support the LGBT community, but it starts being a problem when the rights of other people are hindered (ie. allowing people into bathrooms of the opposite gender.). It is unfair to those who idenify with the sex that they were born with.

[QUOTE=dimitrik129;50568889]It starts being a problem when the rights of other people are hindered (ie. allowing people into bathrooms of the opposite gender.). It is unfair to those who idenify with the sex that they were born with.[/QUOTE] What substantiates that it is unfair if they're transgender? [QUOTE=skatehawk11;50568892]I personally frown upon the LGBTQ community but personal beliefs aside, I think me (and many others) are just annoyed at the fact that the LGBTQ community just wants attention and keeps pressing the mindset of trying to make their sexuality the norm. I don't go out and attack a person just because they are LGBTQ but when they keep flaunting their pride on their sexuality it is just plane out annoying. I don't go out saying "WHOO Straight Pride!!!!!" every other day. I know people who are LGBTQ and supporters of the community saying it is annoying seeing them push it every day on social media.[/QUOTE] But they have perfectly good reason to be doing so. If you they're still marginalized legally and politically and are frequent victims of hate crimes, why should they just go to their corner and shut up about it? And what makes you say they're trying to make their sexuality the norm?

[QUOTE=skatehawk11;50568892]I personally frown upon the LGBTQ community but personal beliefs aside, I think me (and many others) are just annoyed at the fact that the LGBTQ community just wants attention and keeps pressing the mindset of trying to make their sexuality the norm. I don't go out and attack a person just because they are LGBTQ but when they keep flaunting their pride on their sexuality it is just plane out annoying. I don't go out saying "WHOO Straight Pride!!!!!" every other day. I know people who are LGBTQ and supporters of the community saying it is annoying seeing them push it every day on social media.[/QUOTE] I agree. Sadly today criticizing the LGBTQ community is considered transphobic, homophobic and xenophobic. Shit like this needs to stop. Want to be treated equally? quit acting like a special snowflake and learn to take criticism like everyone else. NOTE: I don't hate anybody. I just think that shoving your pride in people's face can be annoying.

[QUOTE=dimitrik129;50568889]I support the LGBT community, but it starts being a problem when the rights of other people are hindered (ie. allowing people into bathrooms of the opposite gender.). It is unfair to those who idenify with the sex that they were born with.[/QUOTE] How is it unfair?

[QUOTE=Duck M.;50568780]I'll keep pushing my views onto blatantly homophobic and transphobic people because they're objectively wrong and their attitudes on the issue are actively harmful to people[/QUOTE] This is just being an asshole and also making the problem worse. Forcing your views onto homophobic people won't make them change their minds, and will also make them hate pro-LGBTQ people more.

[QUOTE=RzDat;50568953] NOTE: I don't hate anybody. I just think that shoving your pride in people's face can be annoying.[/QUOTE] I agree, it can be annoying. But saying that the push for acceptance amongst LGBT people can be thrown out the window because of annoying individuals is really, really hurtful and achieves nothing.

[QUOTE=Smug Bastard;50568905]What substantiates that it is unfair if they're transgender? But they have perfectly good reason to be doing so. If you they're still marginalized legally and politically and are frequent victims of hate crimes, why should they just go to their corner and shut up about it?[/QUOTE] Let's take a male for example: So long as you carry the appendages and genetics of a male - you are biologically a male. With that being true, you cannot stop people from viewing you in that sense. You can be accepted into being female-indentified, but it doesn't mean you will make other females uncomfortable in an area where they are extremely vunerable (the bathroom).

[QUOTE=dimitrik129;50568992]Let's take a male for example: So long as you carry the appendages and genetics of a male - you are biologically a male. With that being true, you cannot stop people from viewing you in that sense. You can be accepted into being female-indentified, but it doesn't mean you will make other females uncomfortable in an area where they are extremely vunerable (the bathroom).[/QUOTE] yes because all male to female transgender people look like men

[QUOTE=dimitrik129;50568992]Let's take a male for example: So long as you carry the appendages and genetics of a male - you are biologically a male. With that being true, you cannot stop people from viewing you in that sense. You can be accepted into being female-indentified, but it doesn't mean you will make other females uncomfortable in an area where they are extremely vunerable (the bathroom).[/QUOTE] Yeah because all transwomen totes look like men right.

[QUOTE=skatehawk11;50568989]There is no denying that they are victims of hate crimes but what is saying they are proud of their sexuality going to do to stop violent crimes? If anything it would agravate a person more when they continualy bring up their sexuality and want to be treated like a special snowflake.[/QUOTE] Are you proposing that the problem of violent crime against the LGBT community lays with them proclaiming pride in the face of such violence? For the record, I agree that the individuals who [I]do[/I] flaunt it at every opportunity are annoying, but they are the minority, and even if they are acting like assholes it doesn't justify a disproportional response of violence. [QUOTE=dimitrik129;50568992]Let's take a male for example: So long as you carry the appendages and genetics of a male - you are biologically a male. With that being true, you cannot stop people from viewing you in that sense. You can be accepted into being female-indentified, but it doesn't mean you will make other females uncomfortable in an area where they are extremely vunerable (the bathroom).[/QUOTE] You strike me as having some sort of impression that transgendered women are big fat bearded guys wearing a dress. Is this correct?

[QUOTE=dimitrik129;50568992]Let's take a male for example: So long as you carry the appendages and genetics of a male - you are biologically a male. With that being true, you cannot stop people from viewing you in that sense. You can be accepted into being female-indentified, but it doesn't mean you will make other females uncomfortable in an area where they are extremely vunerable (the bathroom).[/QUOTE] That is terrible reasoning. When a transgender person wants to use the bathroom, that's all they're doing: using the bathroom. Trans people don't make a big deal about being trans as it puts them in danger. Literally who cares who is using the bathroom?

[QUOTE=meharryp;50569007]yes because all male to female transgender people look like men[/QUOTE] Never did I say that. What I said is so long as you carry the male genitalia, you are still a man. This results in making women incredibly uncomfortable in a bathroom specificially catered to females.

[QUOTE=dimitrik129;50569038]Never did I say that. What I said is so long as you carry the male appendages, you are still a man. This results in making women incredibly uncomfortable in a bathroom specificially catered to females.[/QUOTE] what if the person looks female in every single way bar having male genitalia? Going to the mens room at that point will cause far more issues then going to the womens room. Its like you people don't actually think about these things.

[QUOTE=dimitrik129;50569038]Never did I say that. What I said is so long as you carry the male appendages, you are still a man. This results in making women incredibly uncomfortable in a bathroom specificially catered to females.[/QUOTE] If you don't look like a man then how is anybody supposed to know? And the "as you carry the male appendages, you are still a man" argument strikes me as unsubstantiated rhetorical claptrap.

[QUOTE=dimitrik129;50569038]Never did I say that. What I said is so long as you carry the male appendages, you are still a man. This results in making women incredibly uncomfortable in a bathroom specificially catered to females.[/QUOTE] Do women regularly walk into stalls that others are using to see what their sex organs are? If a transgender woman is using the bathroom, they are just trying to relieve themselves and that's it. They aren't doing it to make a point, they aren't doing it to harass people, they are just using the bathroom. Also, sex organs=/=gender. Sex organs define one's biological sex, which is entirely different from gender. If you would like, I could present you with more accurate information on this.

[QUOTE=dimitrik129;50569038]Never did I say that. What I said is so long as you carry the male genitalia, you are still a man. This results in making women incredibly uncomfortable in a bathroom specificially catered to females.[/QUOTE] Do you think women identify the genitalia of everyone who enters the woman's bathroom? Trans people having to use the bathroom associated with their sex, not their gender, will result in F to M transgendereds, which actually look like men, using the woman's bathroom. Your logic is completely backwards.

[QUOTE=Helix Snake;50569074]Do you think women identify the genitalia of everyone who enters the woman's bathroom?[/QUOTE] Do they ... not do that? I thought that was customary for the female species to do this for claim of dominance like men compare penis size at urinals for self esteem. What, you don't do that?

I just have a hard time grasping at the invasion of privacy some women might feel. In the case that I would become a father, I would be concerned for my children's privacy if they shared bathrooms and lockerooms with people of opposite sex. I know plenty of people who are a part of the LGBT community, and although I do not agree with them on everything, I am still accepting of what they identify as.

[QUOTE=dimitrik129;50569149]I just have a hard time grasping at the invasion of privacy some women might feel. In the case that I would become a father, I would be concerned for my children's privacy if they shared bathrooms and lockerooms with people of opposite sex.[/QUOTE] Why? If you are afraid for your children's privacy, why would you not put more scrutiny into their teachers or the adults that they spend time around? Your children would be more at risk from people of authority rather than someone who is transgendered.

[QUOTE=Zillamaster55;50569164]Why? If you are afraid for your children's privacy, why would you not put more scrutiny into their teachers or the adults that they spend time around? Your children would be more at risk from people of authority rather than someone who is transgendered.[/QUOTE] Because there are not male teachers or adults in the female lockerrooms or bathrooms.

Don't bother arguing with Dimitrik, he posts Breitbart shit and Milo Yianapolos and gets pissy when you call it out. Full on alt-right shitposter

[QUOTE=dimitrik129;50569170]Because there are not male teachers or adults in the female lockerrooms or bathrooms.[/QUOTE] So children who would be the same age as yours, who are member of a minority which is less than .3% of the US population, are a bigger threat? Trans individuals tend to be extremely self conscious about their bodies and would not feel comfortable in most lockerooms or bathrooms with their identified gender. At most, they'd relegate themselves to a different part of the room or just try to avoid contact with others when changing. Your worries are largely unfounded, and they are hurtful as well. Do you understand where I'm coming from?

[QUOTE=dimitrik129;50569149]I just have a hard time grasping at the invasion of privacy some women might feel.[/quote] What invasion of privacy? If us using the bathroom of our identified gender causes some invasion of privacy, even though we already look like our identified gender, then forcing us to use the bathroom of our birth sex is going to be 10 times worse and pretty fucking dangerous to add to that. [quote] In the case that I would become a father, I would be concerned for my children's privacy if they shared bathrooms and lockerooms with people of opposite sex.[/quote] Why? Are you afraid that us trans people are perverts or something? If anything trans people tend to be LESS sexually inclined then normal people because we don't like our genitals and we take medications that reduce libido by a significant amount. [quote] I know plenty of people who are a part of the LGBT community, and although I do not agree with them on everything, I am still accepting of what they identify as.[/QUOTE] Clearly not.