#ProudToBe [YouTube Spotlight/Huge Shitstorm in the Comments] - General

[QUOTE=skatehawk11;50569480]There is really nothing you can do. You can't change the minds of those who want to commit violent acts. These videos would only aggravate them and frustrate them. It's a sad and bad situation, violent people will do anything in their power to cause harm.[/QUOTE] Then let them act, so that they can be prosecuted and put away just like any other psychopath.

[QUOTE=skatehawk11;50569506]I agree, but they finally got all they wanted. They can march in pride marches all they want, [B]it won't stop the violence and bigotry[/B], that's something you can't change with a law. It seems the majority of people accept LGBT, why do they still have to do it? That's like America still trying to separate from England in 2016.[/QUOTE] It demonstratably has stopped significant amounts of it. Stop talking out of your ass.

[QUOTE=skatehawk11;50569506]I agree, but they finally got all they wanted. They can march in pride marches all they want, it won't stop the violence and bigotry, that's something you can't change with a law. It seems the majority of people accept LGBT, why do they still have to do it? That's like America still trying to separate from England in 2016.[/QUOTE] it's more like americans stating how proud they are to be american which I think you'll agree we kinda do sometimes

[QUOTE=skatehawk11;50569514]I'm afraid more will come in the future if they continue to do this.[/QUOTE] [QUOTE=HumanAbyss;50569471]Fact There's less violence against LGBT people in 2016 than in 1986 Why? Because Gay people in 86 were considered to be pedofiles and abominations by everyone. That's not the case now. Why? Exposure. You can't silence them to a corner and still be aware of them.[/QUOTE] [QUOTE=hoodoo456;50569481]Think of it this way. LGBT people will face violence regardless. That's just the nature of violent bigotry. But if it wasn't for the LGBT rights movement, they would face even more than today, and not only that, but there wouldn't be even a quarter of the acceptance today. We wouldn't have gay marriage legal, or transition surgeries for trans people. So even though yeah, pride parades may bring violence, without them, it'd be worse, and more accepted.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=skatehawk11;50569514]I'm afraid more will come in the future if they continue to do this.[/QUOTE] It would happen regardless and you seem to be unable to register that concept. Violence against LGBT didn't start as a result of pride parades.

[QUOTE=hoodoo456;50569515]It demonstratably has stopped significant amounts of it. Stop talking out of your ass.[/QUOTE] Even if it has stopped amounts of it, it will not be possible to stop all of it. Some homophobic/violent people will stop and change their minds, some will not.

[QUOTE=skatehawk11;50569514]I'm afraid more will come in the future if they continue to do this.[/QUOTE] what measurable information leads you to this conclusion because everything I see points towards a downwards statistical trend for violence universally

[QUOTE=skatehawk11;50569506]I agree, but they finally got all they wanted. They can march in pride marches all they want, it won't stop the violence and bigotry, that's something you can't change with a law. It seems the majority of people accept LGBT, why do they still have to do it? That's like America still trying to separate from England in 2016.[/QUOTE] So you want them to shut the fuck up, take the violence that is going to come regardless, that they can't stop or do anything about, and you want to just move on and forget it That is the worst fucking "solution" that exists.

[QUOTE=MaximLaHaxim;50569545]Even if it has stopped amounts of it, it will not be possible to stop all of it.[/QUOTE] Obviously, but pride parades have done far, [I]far[/I] more good than harm.

[QUOTE=MaximLaHaxim;50569545]Even if it has stopped amounts of it, it will not be possible to stop all of it.[/QUOTE] No shit. The problem is that it's still incredibly disproportionate.

[QUOTE=skatehawk11;50569514]I'm afraid more will come in the future if they continue to do this.[/QUOTE] It is a fact violence against LGBT has been on a downward trend as their public image grows larger. You're literally just trying to find a reason to not have to deal with something

[QUOTE=hoodoo456;50569560]Obviously, but pride parades have done far, [I]far[/I] more good than harm.[/QUOTE] It has done good, but it also does harm to those who get pissed off by them. If anything, while it can make violence go down, it can also influence anti-LGBTQ people who had no violent intentions at all before to become violent if they take it the wrong way.

[QUOTE=skatehawk11;50569565]I don't think you understand, I have repeatedly said it does not [B]start[/B] violence it will [B]aggravate[/B] those who want to demonstrate violence.[/QUOTE] And those same people would still harm LGBT people regardless of the pride parades that have brought the LGBT rights movement to the point where gay and lesbian people can be 100% legally married.

[QUOTE=skatehawk11;50569565]I don't think you understand, I have repeatedly said it does not [B]start[/B] violence it will [B]aggravate[/B] those who want to demonstrate violence.[/QUOTE] What difference does it make? [QUOTE=skatehawk11;50569506]I agree, but they finally got all they wanted. They can march in pride marches all they want, it won't stop the violence and bigotry, that's something you can't change with a law. It seems the majority of people accept LGBT, why do they still have to do it? That's like America still trying to separate from England in 2016.[/QUOTE] You do realize that just because gay marriage is legal doesn't mean that they don't still face discrimination and marginalization, right? That's like going back to the 1965 and telling black people "lol u guys got the right to vote in 1870 what's the big deal?"

[QUOTE=skatehawk11;50569565]I don't think you understand, I have repeatedly said it does not [B]start[/B] violence it will [B]aggravate[/B] those who want to demonstrate violence.[/QUOTE] I don't think you understand. You want them to shut the fuck up, be silent, be quiet, be invisible, and you want them to take the violence that they get without making a sound, without making a protest, because that'll "Make it worse" even though, literally nothing supports that conclusion? I think you just want a reason to have your bigotry be okay in a public sector at this point. You can't possibly sit idly by and care for a groups rights, and say the shit you're saying here. [editline]22nd June 2016[/editline] [QUOTE=MaximLaHaxim;50569571]It has done good, but it also does harm to those who get pissed off by them. If anything, while it can make violence go down, it can also influence anti-LGBTQ people to become violent if they take it the wrong way.[/QUOTE] Dude This is the DUMBEST argument. None of you were alive in the 80's, and none of you seem to have looked at a newspaper from that time period either. Gay people were literally killed for being gay 30 years ago, and nothing was done about it. Aids was at the height of it's fear, and being gay was like being a pedofile. The violence gay people endure today is nothing compared to what gay people went through 30 years ago. You can spout empty bullshit about the hate that their "Pride" causes other people, but their pride parades and events have saved more lives than you have any understanding of. By making it mainstream, it became acceptable, and it became unacceptable to kill gay people for being gay. You're wrong.

[QUOTE=HumanAbyss;50569583]I don't think you understand. You want them to shut the fuck up, be silent, be quiet, be invisible, and you want them to take the violence that they get without making a sound, without making a protest, because that'll "Make it worse" even though, literally nothing supports that conclusion? I think you just want a reason to have your bigotry be okay in a public sector at this point. You can't possibly sit idly by and care for a groups rights, and say the shit you're saying here. [editline]22nd June 2016[/editline] Dude This is the DUMBEST argument. None of you were alive in the 80's, and none of you seem to have looked at a newspaper from that time period either. Gay people were literally killed for being gay 30 years ago, and nothing was done about it. Aids was at the height of it's fear, and being gay was like being a pedofile. The violence gay people endure today is nothing compared to what gay people went through 30 years ago. You can spout empty bullshit about the hate that their "Pride" causes other people, but their pride parades and events have saved more lives than you have any understanding of. By making it mainstream, it became acceptable, and it became unacceptable to kill gay people for being gay. You're wrong.[/QUOTE] What I'm saying is that pride parades aren't some magical solution to everything, they can both do good and bad. I didn't mean to come off as saying that they shouldn't happen, I just don't want people to think that it's the "one true solution".

[QUOTE=skatehawk11;50569613]If they did not push it so consistently and rapidly, it would lower the attention of LGBT community therefore lowering the possibility of a violent person carrying out their actions because they are not constantly being forced with the LGBT views, angering them.[/QUOTE] Your logic is completely backwards to what reality has proven.

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[QUOTE=skatehawk11;50569613]If they did not push it so consistently and rapidly, it would lower the attention of LGBT community therefore lowering the possibility of a violent person carrying out their actions because they are not constantly being forced with the LGBT views, angering them.[/QUOTE] NOBODY. IS. FORCING. LGBT. VIEWS. ON. THEM. AND. THERE. IS. NO. REASON. FOR. THEM. TO. SHUT. UP. IN. ORDER. TO. APPEASE. VIOLENT. CRIMINALS. What part of this do you not understand

[QUOTE=skatehawk11;50569613]If they did not push it so consistently and rapidly, it would lower the attention of LGBT community therefore lowering the possibility of a violent person carrying out their actions because they are not constantly being forced with the LGBT views, angering them.[/QUOTE] this is like some battered housewife logic

[QUOTE=MaximLaHaxim;50569616]What I'm saying is that pride parades aren't some magical solution to everything, they can both do good and bad.[/QUOTE] Sure, but what you're ignoring is how much worse the violence was before pride parades and before acceptance of the community. If you're not aware of the horrible, horrible shit they went through, then yeah, of course you're going to look at their current plight and be confused. But context is king, and the plights of the LGBT community has only been made better by these pride parades and the like, and it's not even comparable to the "harm" they cause. Namely, none. That harm [B]already[/B] existed. People already had unreasonable bigotry to display, and the parade just gave them a moment to do that. However, what you, and your entire side of the argument refuses to think about is "What if there was never a pride movement?". You know what? The plight of the LGBT community would have never become better than what it was during the 80's. I don't know how to argue this with people who don't want to look at history.

[QUOTE=MaximLaHaxim;50569616]What I'm saying is that pride parades aren't some magical solution to everything, they can both do good and bad. I didn't mean to come off as saying that they shouldn't happen, I just don't want people to think that it's the "one true solution".[/QUOTE] What are you even trying to say here?

[QUOTE=skatehawk11;50569613]If they did not push it so consistently and rapidly, it would lower the attention of LGBT community therefore lowering the possibility of a violent person carrying out their actions because they are not constantly being forced with the LGBT views, angering them.[/QUOTE] No. Before pride parades gay people were just fucking killed for being gay. Just because that sentiment is still held by an extremist group of society doesn't mean it is in anyway the fault of the LGBT community that those people exist. They existed in the 80's and they were the problem back then. Gay pride got rid of the majority of those types of people by exposing them to gay people, who are, GUESS WHAT?! Just people.

[QUOTE=skatehawk11;50569659]I understand what you're saying but a video like this is not going to stop anti-LGBT people to change their ways. It is impossible to stop hate, these pride parades could only foster hate since it is just going to aggravate those who hate them already, not persuade neutral people over to their side.[/QUOTE] Now you're just arguing empty sentiment. And, it IS persuading neutral people over to their side. Otherwise we wouldn't have gotten to where we are in the first place.

[QUOTE=HumanAbyss;50569647]Sure, but what you're ignoring is how much worse the violence was before pride parades and before acceptance of the community. If you're not aware of the horrible, horrible shit they went through, then yeah, of course you're going to look at their current plight and be confused. But context is king, and the plights of the LGBT community has only been made better by these pride parades and the like, and it's not even comparable to the "harm" they cause. Namely, none. That harm [B]already[/B] existed. People already had unreasonable bigotry to display, and the parade just gave them a moment to do that. However, what you, and your entire side of the argument refuses to think about is "What if there was never a pride movement?". You know what? The plight of the LGBT community would have never become better than what it was during the 80's. I don't know how to argue this with people who don't want to look at history.[/QUOTE] I'm not saying that pride parades only cause harm. I know they've done plenty of good as well.

[QUOTE=skatehawk11;50569659]I understand what you're saying but a video like this is not going to stop anti-LGBT people to change their ways. It is impossible to stop hate, these pride parades could only foster hate since it is just going to aggravate those who hate them already, not persuade neutral people over to their side.[/QUOTE] You sound like a broken record. Are you even reading anyone's posts, or just copy-pasting the same tired argument?

[QUOTE=skatehawk11;50569659]I understand what you're saying but a video like this is not going to stop anti-LGBT people to change their ways. It is impossible to stop hate, these pride parades could only foster hate since it is just going to aggravate those who hate them already, not persuade neutral people over to their side.[/QUOTE] see the truth is you have no fucking clue what "Hate" is. We saw the worst massacre in the western world not very long ago. What you hvaen't seen are the decades of death that the LGBT community dealt with IN SILENCE. You hear it all now and you think you understand, but you're historically ignorant of what the reality of the situation is.

[QUOTE=skatehawk11;50569675]Youtube just changed their logo and when you clicked it, it took you to their spotlight channel to auto play that video. If you ask me, that's forceful.[/QUOTE] can you just leave if you're not going to actually respond to anything said in this thread? If all you're going to do is regurgitate the same horseshit over and over again then just go.

[QUOTE=Smug Bastard;50569649]What are you even trying to say here?[/QUOTE] Fuck it, I got confused. My entire point is, pro-LGBTQ people shouldn't be forcing their views into anti-LGBTQ peoples' faces, and vice versa. I think violence against LGBTQ people needs to be stopped, but people should be able to have their own views on the topic.

[QUOTE=skatehawk11;50569692]It's because you don't understand what i'm saying, and you still don't. I don't know what else you want me to say.[/QUOTE] You've repeated it enough, I have a pretty good idea of what you're saying. You're saying that LGBT folk should sit down and shut up, because otherwise they'll get killed - ignoring that they would be attacked regardless.