#ProudToBe [YouTube Spotlight/Huge Shitstorm in the Comments] - General

[QUOTE=skatehawk11;50570232]That's because it has not been passed yet. It will just make sexual assault or just general non violent creeping easy to do. [URL="http://www.nbcmiami.com/news/Man-Beat-9-Year-Old-Girl-In-Jacksonville-Best-Buy-Bathroom-Police-220944391.html"]Here [/URL] is a recent example that could happen more frequently. [URL="http://www.wnd.com/2016/05/the-big-list-of-bathroom-attacks/#!"]Here[/URL] is another article[/QUOTE] tbh this is probably one of the worst posts i've seen on here in my 7 year career of shitposting on here im reading through the "big list of bathroom attacks", and holy fuck they are very generous when it comes to labeling what an attack is, what a transgendered person is, or if it even took place in a bathroom. like i'm actually offended on how bad these sources are, did you even bother reading any of them?

It's literally discrimination and segregation. How can you be for that in any sense? [editline]22nd June 2016[/editline] You're ignoring all the logical reasons you're wrong. This isn't a discussion because you're not here to listen.

It's interesting how many similarities there are in the arguments agains trans people using their preferred bathroom and the arguments that were used against blacks and whites sharing facilitiea

[QUOTE=skatehawk11;50570302]Do you not see how that system can be abused?[/QUOTE] Anyone who would rape someone in a bathroom won't wait for some law that might make it slightly easier. [QUOTE=skatehawk11;50570302]It's not a fake fear mongering situations here, there very real threats[/QUOTE] Very real threats that can be explained away with basic logic. [QUOTE=skatehawk11;50570302]but you will just disagree because you're too afraid that you will look "transphobic".[/QUOTE] Guys, why do people yell at me when I say bigoted things?

[QUOTE=skatehawk11;50570302]Why risk the majority for the minority? Do you not see how that system can be abused? It's not a fake fear mongering situations here, there very real threats but you will just disagree because you're too afraid that you will look "transphobic".[/QUOTE] The argument you're using right now can be used to justify arresting people because they might commit a crime in the future. This is not a good or sound argument in any way at all.

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[QUOTE=Limed00d;50570334]It's interesting how many similarities there are in the arguments agains trans people using their preferred bathroom and the arguments that were used against blacks and whites sharing facilitiea[/QUOTE] Because they're eqivelantly stupid and unfounded.

Nice job using a religious right website for sources, btw. I'm sure they're entirely unbiased. [IMG]http://i.imgur.com/4h8XhE8.png[/IMG]

[QUOTE=skatehawk11;50570340]Are you saying there is a 0% change of this type of stuff happening?[/QUOTE] I'm saying you want to pass a feel good law that won't do anything, won't protect anyone, won't help anyone and will only fuel discrimination and hatred.

[QUOTE=RichyZ;50570346]SMH[/QUOTE] look at least i have an excuse ok [editline]23rd June 2016[/editline] [QUOTE=hoodoo456;50570350]Nice job using a religious right website for sources, btw. I'm sure they're entirely unbiased. [IMG]http://i.imgur.com/4h8XhE8.png[/IMG][/QUOTE] I'm curious about their definition of religious freedom

[QUOTE=skatehawk11;50570363]People are arrested all the time for criminal conspiracy if that's what you're trying to say.[/QUOTE] Criminal conspiracy means they were caught planning to commit a crime, not that they're arrested just in case they might commit a crime in the future.

[QUOTE=skatehawk11;50570363]People are arrested all the time for criminal conspiracy if that's what you're trying to say.[/QUOTE] Not even comparable. Why is it right wingers are so eager to trample on human rights?

[QUOTE=skatehawk11;50570363]People are arrested all the time for criminal conspiracy if that's what you're trying to say.[/QUOTE] Everything everyone is telling you is going right over your head. This argument is pointless

Change the terms to racial terms Change the decade Boom racial segregation arguments in action [editline]22nd June 2016[/editline] [QUOTE=skatehawk11;50570380][url]http://www.kgw.com/news/local/washington/seattle-man-in-womens-locker-room-cites-gender-rule/45248512[/url] You're telling me that's bias? They have some great accreted new stories linked here.[/QUOTE] Yes that is biased as fuck

[QUOTE=skatehawk11;50570328]Read through this [url]http://www.lc.org/transgender[/url] the majority are cited with accredited news stories.[/QUOTE] Most of these are 3-5+ years ago and largely ended in arrests for a variety of charges, and that's leaving aside how many of them are sourced from FOX news and the fact that the page itself isn't what you'd call unbiased I feel like I have to restate my question, bearing fully in mind that all of these occurred regardless of any kind of legislation, how exactly is a law allowing transgendered individuals to use their preferred facilities supposed to make anything like these articles easier? Most of these would have ended in prosecution of some kind regardless of a law allowing transgendered individuals to use their preferred facilities, so I'm still kind of confused here

[QUOTE=skatehawk11;50570397]This isn't about discrimination. It's about the safety of others.[/QUOTE] I wonder what segregationists said about integration. Surely it can't be exactly the same thing you just said. [editline]22nd June 2016[/editline] That article from kgw is trying so hard to make the person changing their clothes in the changing room scary, too. "H-he's changing with kids around!!!!!!" Wonder what they would say if a female person changed in the men' changing room around young boys. Surely it isn't bigoted paranoia?

[QUOTE=skatehawk11;50570397]This isn't about discrimination. It's about the safety of others. Read [URL="http://www.kgw.com/news/local/washington/seattle-man-in-womens-locker-room-cites-gender-rule/45248512"]this[/URL] and tell me it won't happen [editline]22nd June 2016[/editline] How is that bias? It literally is just solid facts of the events. If it is so bias please tell me where.[/QUOTE] It doesn't happen in any significant way.

"its not about discrimination, it's about the safety of others" uhm excuse me it's like you willfully ignore the arguments others have come with as to [I]why[/I] this fearmongering over abuse is dumb as shit

[QUOTE=skatehawk11;50570397]This isn't about discrimination. It's about the safety of others. Read [URL="http://www.kgw.com/news/local/washington/seattle-man-in-womens-locker-room-cites-gender-rule/45248512"]this[/URL] and tell me it won't happen [editline]22nd June 2016[/editline] How is that bias? It literally is just solid facts of the events. If it is so bias please tell me where.[/QUOTE] You're aware that far-right religious camps have admitted to sending Men who are [B][U]NOT[/U][/B] transgender into Womens bathrooms, then claiming they're transgender, just to prove the point they made up in the first placed right? Guess what has happened everytime: They've been arrested, tried for either disturbing the peace or public indecency, and told to fuck off. Meanwhile an actual trans person has [B]NEVER[/B] harmed someone in the bathroom. [editline]hi[/editline] The far-right are actually self-actualizing their own fears in an attempt to stop their own fears. Its kind of sad and pathetic really.

[QUOTE=Limed00d;50570425]"its not about discrimination, it's about the safety of others" uhm excuse me it's like you willfully ignore the arguments others have come with as to [I]why[/I] this fearmongering over abuse is dumb as shit[/QUOTE] If he did that he might have to reevaluate his beliefs, though. It's hard to admit you're wrong.

I feel like now that Gay marriage is legalized, and gay people are far more accepted than they used to be, hardcore religious conservatives are moving onto to transpeople who are essentially 10-15 years behind in terms of acceptance and it makes me more and more afraid to go outside every day and deal with the fact that because of who I am, I might be murdered.

[QUOTE=skatehawk11;50570445]Read my aforementioned posts, I am not claiming transgender people as the predators but those who will abuse the system through a loop hole.[/QUOTE] ...But the only people are abusing that loophole are people that are trying to prove transgender people are the problem in the first place. Do you see the problem here?

[QUOTE=skatehawk11;50570445]Read my aforementioned posts, I am not claiming transgender people as the predators but those who will abuse the system through a loop hole.[/QUOTE] Those predators are already harming people in bathrooms.

[QUOTE=skatehawk11;50570328]Read through this [url]http://www.lc.org/transgender[/url] the majority are cited with accredited news stories.[/QUOTE] That's actually what I'm reading and that's actually what I'm offended by. 1. Not a transgendered person. Sex offender. 2. Not a transgendered person. A fucking idiot. 3. Its someone speaking out against transgendered bathroom laws. 4. Local man undresses in the a changing room. People got offended. Police were not called because no one gave a shit. 5. Not transgendered. Used crossdressing as a disguise to film women in mall changing rooms. 6. Male students were spying on female students in gender neutral bathrooms. The two articles linked are heavily biased articles that scream about POLITICAL CORRECTNESS GONE WRONG. 7. Crossdressing man attacks real estate agent while the agent was showing him a house. He's done something similar before, and has a fetish for crossdressing and real estate agents. This wasn't in a bathroom and the man is not transgendered. 8. Not a transgendered person. Sex offender. 9. Not a transgendered person. Sex offender. 10. Not a transgendered person. Sex offender. 11. Transgendered person. Not in a bathroom. Found guilty with two misdemeanors regarding domestic violence, was originally charged with rape but the court said that was bullshit. The verdict was not included in the source, I had to actually look it up. 12. Not a transgendered person. Sex offender. 13. Mentally ill homeless man wearing women's underwear assaulting a woman using a BB gun in a bathroom. Stopping at lucky number 13. This isn't looking good for your sources.

[QUOTE=skatehawk11;50570434]That article was literally the situation I was explaining now you're just going to blow it off because it does not happen "in any significant way". There are many articles, I don't have the time to sift through them all. I bet if I looked further there will be multiple events of that very situation.[/QUOTE] A woman could rape a girl right now. A man could rape a boy right now. It's still illegal. What you're asking for is nonsense

[QUOTE=skatehawk11;50570460]Some people are sexual criminals and abuse people in bathrooms, so we should continue to shit on an unrelated minority just 'cause[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=skatehawk11;50570466]No? There are real pedophiles. Not all of these are staged so it supports right wing causes.[/QUOTE] Not one of them has panned out for your argument. Your using non existent evidence to argue a nonsense point that will only discriminate and segregate. Most paedofiles are straight. [editline]22nd June 2016[/editline] [QUOTE=skatehawk11;50570476]That's not the point!!!! I am not saying transgender people are doing it. It's the people who are not transgender but are using the loop hole to do those actions.[/QUOTE] Which goes against your argument in its entirety

[QUOTE=skatehawk11;50570445]Read my aforementioned posts, I am not claiming transgender people as the predators but those who will abuse the system through a loop hole.[/QUOTE] Okay but he never said you were claiming transgender people as predators, he was pointing out that people attempting to abuse the alleged loophole have been getting arrested and even the articles you linked showcase people consistently being arrested for the exact same thing you're ostensibly so concerned about on the same sorts of charges you'd expect of people exposing themselves in public restrooms/whatever to people So again: [QUOTE=Sitkero;50570402]I feel like I have to restate my question, bearing fully in mind that all of these occurred regardless of any kind of legislation, how exactly is a law allowing transgendered individuals to use their preferred facilities supposed to make anything like these articles easier?[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=skatehawk11;50570476]That's not the point!!!! I am not saying transgender people are doing it. It's the people who are not transgender but are using the loop hole to do those actions.[/QUOTE] 13 sources support the fact that people are already being sexually abusive without any "loopholes" from any transgender bathroom laws.

[QUOTE=skatehawk11;50570489]It is not in anyway unrelated. It deals with transgender people and people that will abuse the system. I am in no way blaming the transgender people. But because of the vague security around it it's an issue.[/QUOTE] No it isn't. You're claiming a non issue is an issue.