[QUOTE=Mikaru-Yanagida;32288992]They call it "pre-existing conditions", and they do it all the time. Like my mom who has COPD and my stepdad who has diabetes, they refuse to cover them, and even if they didn't they'd raise the price. Where does that money go when they die? They keep it.
Just an example of why our country is fucked up.[/QUOTE]
I think I heard of a case once where a woman had cancer that was treatable but she had a "pre-existing condition" (a fucking yeast infection she had years ago) so they couldn't cover her. She died.
[QUOTE=Murkrow;32287367]It's funny because Cuba has socialized healthcare[/QUOTE]
Yeah, but if you go to the streets there are thousands of people just hanging there, because they have absolutely *nothing* to do. No jobs, no shit.
Yeah they use "re-existing condition" as their way of saying "sorry we can't cover you because we'd lose money even though we're rich enough to do it".
Oh and they refuse to cover me because of aspergers, which I don't think has hindered me much anymore and I could eventually stop taking most of my medicines anyways.
Just drive the hour and a half.
Become Norwegian, get free health care and your father will get a job.
Why don't the US have an NHS?, it makes sense for every other country to take care of the well being of their citizens, but over in the US it costs an arm and a leg to heal an arm and a leg
Taxes son. The states should get them.
It's not bad to live when you only need to worry about food, clothes and electricity. The rest is covered.
I wrote a rant about this on my blog ages ago, as I'm a huge supporter of free public healthcare.
Basically, I broke my hand months ago at work, but was off the clock. I went to the doctor. They fixed me up, and sent me on my way. My worst part: No health insurance. That hospital visit cost me $8,000. That's $8,000 I don't have, and still don't have.
So, now I've got debt over my head. I pay per month, around $300, the bare minimum, that's all I can afford.
Insurance is the biggest evil in America today. Insurance companies can dictate what can and cannot happen to you. The common misunderstanding is that in Canada and whatnot, people are being denied their operations left and right because the government doesn't approve of them. What a crock of shit. In the event that the government would deny operations, you're still in the same boat you're in now. Insurance companies deny operations like there is no tomorrow.
They can deny operations for being: overweight, underweight, a smoker, have certain diseases, don't meet age requirements, too old, too young to have health problems, having high cholesterol, having high / low blood pressure, having high / low blood sugar, etc.
The problem is, the corporate end of America is greedy, and the consumer end of America is scared. These politicians, namely Republicans, managed to scare the people into believing that America would be socialist starting with healthcare. The one thing that Americans ride on strongly, is "freedom", namely capitalism, the funny thing is barely any American you ask even knows how capitalism works, so basically it's another bullshit thing that people use as a reason to not get anything done. People rant about religion being the reason that nobody thinks for themselves, but that's only around 4% of the world population. The real reason people don't think for themselves is because the government is scaring people into believing it. No, I'm not some hippie that is sitting with an anarchy sign tattooed to my ass.
Look at all these consumer reports. For YEARS our way of life has been the same, eating the same foods, doing the same motions, and people are still dying in their late 60's / mid-70's. That's why, the only real way to lead a long life is to [i]live[/i].
Anyway, healthcare. The main reason why Canadians are sitting in waiting rooms for hours, is because of the gross amount of people they have to treat. The reason Americans are sitting just as long? Because insurance companies have to approve the actions. Liability has to take its toll, and you have to wait.
In 2002, my mother was diagnosed with heart disease. She woke up one day, and had very little energy. Se said she couldn't breathe, and she was achy. So, my father drove her to the hospital. She sat for 6 hours, and never got to see a doctor. You know who got to see a doctor? A kid getting stitches removed. Yes. A kid who was scheduled to get his stitches removed, was seen before someone who could have died. Thank God she's alive and well today, but no thanks to American health care.
I strongly believe that everyone has the right to see a doctor, that everyone has the right to live. No insurance company should be able to deny you your right to healthcare. No insurance company should have the ability to force you to die.
Canada, I salute you. England, you too, and you too France. Fuck it, 80% of the world, I salute you.
Insurance companies control America.
[QUOTE=Maagiline;32289164]Yeah, but if you go to the streets there are thousands of people just hanging there, because they have absolutely *nothing* to do. No jobs, no shit.[/QUOTE]
Except Cuba's unemployment rate is about 1.9%.
Just go to the ER when you're sick and don't pay the bill when you get it. If you can show your family is financially unstable and can't afford healthcare, the hospital has to foot the bill. They can't force you to pay and they can't kick you out until you're stable.
[QUOTE=Master Kief-117;32289948]Just go to the ER when you're sick and don't pay the bill when you get it. If you can show your family is financially unstable and can't afford healthcare, the hospital has to foot the bill. They can't force you to pay and they can't kick you out until you're stable.[/QUOTE]
what a great loophole.
When i become american i will snap my arm regurarly so that i never can pay.
[i]Repost from another thread.[/i]
Okay here's the sad truth.
For a country that boasts freedom and rights, you, America, are doing a shit job of it. I don't hear any of these grief stories here in the UK. The taxes we pay to the Government pay themselves back when we need help. We are a community that helps itself out by giving to those within it who need that help - and that could be any of us at any given time.
In the UK, if I split my head open I can go to a hospital and they will fix it, though our taxes are higher.
In the US, if I split my head open I can go to a hospital and they will fix it, then my family will be in a major financial crisis for the next few years, during which I may need more check-ups and perhaps further fixing if anything starts looking bad again, leading to more problems.
You don't exactly have to be an expert at Spot The Difference to see that one system is reliant on the people of a kingdom, whereas the other is reliant on corporations that form a monopoly on whether you live or die.
You might be in a coma tomorrow. Who will help you, and what price must you or your close ones pay to keep you alive?
Doesn't school provide health insurance if you are below a certain earning threshold? But then again, that is michigan.
Key rule in America.
Don't get hurt, because we wont fix you.
Wow, that sucks alot. Hope you get this resolved.
Move to Canada
Flee to a European country (or any other country with similar healthcare). I'm not kidding, the shoulder might fix itself, or it might not and then it'll be too late do fix it even at the hospital (or you'll have to go through some complex procedure).
I'm not sure how healthcare would work if you just come here as a tourist, but if you show up at the hospital with a broken shoulder they won't turn you down.
[QUOTE=acds;32291004]Flee to a European country (or any other country with similar healthcare). I'm not kidding, the shoulder might fix itself, or it might not and then it'll be too late do fix it even at the hospital (or you'll have to go through some complex procedure).
I'm not sure how healthcare would work if you just come here as a tourist, but if you show up at the hospital with a broken shoulder they won't turn you down.[/QUOTE]
I'm not sure, but I think that the NHS here tries to bill your insurance company if you travel from another country to here for medical care. They won't turn anyone down, but it can take quite some time if it's not immediately life threatening. The NHS is amazing if you've just been shot, stabbed, in a fire, hit by a car or something major, but it has issues when there's no emergency.
[QUOTE=Master Kief-117;32289948]Just go to the ER when you're sick and don't pay the bill when you get it. If you can show your family is financially unstable and can't afford healthcare, the hospital has to foot the bill. They can't force you to pay and they can't kick you out until you're stable.[/QUOTE]
By "financially unstable", they mean that they're looking for people who have a deep history of welfare, etc. Which my family does not have.
I find myself more and more drawn to socialism. Of course the politicians will NEVER do anything at all to change the status quo lest they risk their precious careers, and the American public at large will remain as ignorant and apathetic as it has before. Life goes on in the US. Badly.
Best of luck.
[QUOTE=Terminutter;32291289]I'm not sure, but I think that the NHS here tries to bill your insurance company if you travel from another country to here for medical care. They won't turn anyone down, but it can take quite some time if it's not immediately life threatening. The NHS is amazing if you've just been shot, stabbed, in a fire, hit by a car or something major, but it has issues when there's no emergency.[/QUOTE]
I'm actually a bit annoyed at them for getting me into surgery tomorrow, because I haven't had time to tell my boss. I only went to see the doctor a few days ago as well.
The only reason I'll end up staying here in the states is because I cannot afford to VISIT Europe let alone move there. We're studiying the medieval times in World Civ and the system of social classes seems to be comparable to the US today. Instead of slashing dragons though, we're slashing medicare support bills.
I have Blue Cross, and god damn it covers NOTHING. I can't visit any of the local doctors or else I have to pay out of my pocket. If I ever break a limb, I would be in the same situation as you.
What's funny is, only an American politician could fuck up free healthcare.
I have been getting chronic headaches for about a month, and I can't go to any doctors near here, since they don't cover me. It sucks. I really want a god damn free healthcare system. My family has too many problems with doctors.
I could right a fucking book how much the health care system fucked over my family's life.
[QUOTE=CrispexOps;32295003]What's funny is, only an American politician could fuck up free healthcare.[/QUOTE]
Except in countries where they don't have it? This is kind of a ridiculous generalization, especially considering one of our states actually does have single-payer healthcare.
[QUOTE=RayvenQ;32284345]If you have to travel, then travel, gas is cheaper.[/QUOTE]
Countries with universal health care aren't going to treat injured foreigners if it isn't an emergency.
Also universal health care isn't free. You pay for it in taxes and such. It just so happens that it covers everyone and ends up being much much cheaper than private health insurance companies because the government isn't trying to screw you over at every turn.
[QUOTE=bluesky;32284246]I've got school in about 20 minutes so I'm going to cut this short.
I'm basically uninsured, I mean sure I have blue cross but it does not cover anything in my area. To visit a doctor that they will 'cover' I have to drive an hour and a half away. My dad is unemployed (Michigan sucks atm) and my mother is dead, my step mom is a nurse and we barely scrape by, I have tried getting on my step mom's plan but I'm not her biological son so therefore I guess I don't fucking matter as far as the insurance companies care.
I goto football practice and I'm running the ball, get hit pretty hard and I dislocate my shoulder, it popped back in when I stood up and holy shit I almost passed out from the pain it was so intense. Fast forward to 4 days later, I can barely move my arm still, luckily I still have a sling from a few years back so I immobilize my arm and try to take care of it. I tell my parents what happened and they would take me to the hospital but they simply can't pay for it. I'm pretty sure I tore my rotator cuff but I can't do jack shit about it because blue cross doesn't "cover" anything the hospital does around here. Meaning my parents would have probably close to a $5,000 bill for an MRI, X-Ray, I'd probably need physical therapy, and god fucking forbid I need surgery that would be probably another $5,000 on top of it all.
So basically I'm fucked, I really wish that America had universal health care because this isn't the first time these things have happened. I've broken multiple fingers, I've been sick as a fucking dog and all I get to treat it with is some anti-biotics we saved from the last visit. fuck.[/QUOTE]
School football practice? Shouldn't the school/football organization be covering this? Or did you have to sign a waiver
[QUOTE=God of Ashes;32295202]School football practice? Shouldn't the school/football organization be covering this? Or did you have to sign a waiver[/QUOTE]
Schools have a waiver for [B]everything[/B]. Ever gone on a field trip? Waiver. Ever signed up for a club or sport? Waiver (and drug tests). Go to school? Waiver.
Sort of makes sense when you realize most schools are barely hanging on due to budget cuts now.
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