• Brainwashing Norway "Gender equality" Documentary
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[QUOTE=Swilly;42545071]Nah it won't, but its decided how it'll implode my brain with old age. It shapes that organ that I use, you'll probably make some snide remark about how I'm not, how it works, how it functions. If you think about that for a moment, DNA covers how we'd respond to things. Its the same question of, "Is there free will?" Our brains are literally super computers using organic 1s and 0s to process everything. DNA is the instruction set.[/QUOTE] No, our brains [I]want[/I] to be binary, but they're not. They hate ambiguity, the 2 in "1 and 0". However, they can and do use it in everyday life. As for DNA, it's not determining how we act, it's influencing how we act. You're thinking of humans as animals with little to no brain development, something we're not. We have more brain mass in comparison to our bodies than any other being for a reason. In fact, our brains are [U]so powerful[/U] that with proper conditions and a good program you can overcome genetic defects or syndromes nearly completely. For example, some people have had a serious case of Aspergers since birth, but they've gone through some serious work to mitigate its negative effects. That's because they've learned to overcome it, not because their genes did jack shit for them. DNA only decides how you think for the first week after your birth, after that you pretty much start learning shit and acting with that information instead. DNA is just an influence, but instead of being an external influence, it's an internal one, like hunger or anger.
[QUOTE=Swilly;42545071]Nah it won't, but its decided how it'll implode my brain with old age. It shapes that organ that I use, you'll probably make some snide remark about how I'm not, how it works, how it functions. If you think about that for a moment, DNA covers how we'd respond to things. Its the same question of, "Is there free will?" Our brains are literally super computers using organic 1s and 0s to process everything. DNA is the instruction set.[/QUOTE] I don't like to insult people so the snide remarks will probably come from someone else. I agree the human brain is like a very powerful computer. But you're ignoring the nurture aspect of it all. Your penis can hardly grow to whatever size it would like to grow to unless given the correct building materials to allow it.
[QUOTE='[Green];42545279']No, our brains [I]want[/I] to be binary, but they're not. They hate ambiguity, the 2 in "1 and 0". However, they can and do use it in everyday life. As for DNA, it's not determining how we act, it's influencing how we act. You're thinking of humans as animals with little to no brain development, something we're not. We have more brain mass in comparison to our bodies than any other being for a reason. In fact, our brains are [U]so powerful[/U] that with proper conditions and a good program you can overcome genetic defects or syndromes nearly completely. For example, some people have had a serious case of Aspergers since birth, but they've gone through some serious work to mitigate its negative effects. That's because they've learned to overcome it, not because their genes did jack shit for them. DNA only decides how you think for the first week after your birth, after that you pretty much start learning shit and acting with that information instead. DNA is just an influence, but instead of being an external influence, it's an internal one, like hunger or anger.[/QUOTE] DNA decides the 'Hardware' and the 'OS' rest from elsewhere.
[QUOTE='[Green];42545279']No, our brains [I]want[/I] to be binary, but they're not. They hate ambiguity, the 2 in "1 and 0".[/QUOTE] Speaking of ambiguity, what do you mean by this?
[QUOTE=oskutin;42545210]And that 'special treatment' may gear up things like racism and other discrimination in some cases.[/QUOTE] movements that encourage discrimination against a specific race are not in the name of equal rights even if they say they are. that's a moot point if you're trying to say they encourage people to be even more discriminatory [I]towards [/I]that movement/group with said special treatment, i dunno what to tell you. that's not the fault of the movement, or the group in mind. that's all down to the detractors causing the trouble in the first place
[QUOTE=FlubberNugget;42545363]movements that encourage discrimination against a specific race are not in the name of equal rights even if they say they are. that's a moot point if you're trying to say they encourage people to be even more discriminatory [I]towards [/I]that movement/group with said special treatment, i dunno what to tell you. that's not the fault of the movement, or the group in mind. that's all down to the detractors causing the trouble in the first place[/QUOTE] The groups use the 'special treatment/rights' as political weapon to gain more supporters. Most known cases are in the immigration debate; when some nationalists and nationalistic groups find out (or feel) that some immigrants receive more or some special benefits.
wowww. temporary special rights for a specific group are often enacted for the protection of said group and insurance of future equality with others. how that's a political weapon in any form is beyond me
[QUOTE=Quiet;42545288]I don't like to insult people so the snide remarks will probably come from someone else. I agree the human brain is like a very powerful computer. But you're ignoring the nurture aspect of it all. Your penis can hardly grow to whatever size it would like to grow to unless given the correct building materials to allow it.[/QUOTE] My original vague argument is more about the fact that we should hold both nature and nurture on equal footing because they're both deeply important. If nurture was so much more important then gender identity and sexual attraction would be because of nurture, but we strictly place that in nature only which is just slightly hypocritical. Also, just because our brains can process more than two options doesn't mean a lot of the way its formed and acts wasn't decided by DNA. Or else I'd have a say in me having Alzhiemer's(Down the road) and ADHD(Everyday).
[QUOTE=FlubberNugget;42545518]wowww. temporary special rights for a specific group are often enacted for the protection of said group and insurance of future equality with others. how that's a political weapon in any form is beyond me[/QUOTE] You could check some newspaper discussion boards; there's always some guy 'raging' that IE. 'immigrants receive more benefits' and saying that the government discriminates 'it's own people'.
is that meant to make me side with you even relatively those are like daily mail comments
[QUOTE=Swilly;42544907]To be honest, after watching this, it only confirmed why I always found people ignoring biology and genes to favor their arguments and then using them for others. DNA decides everything down to size of my cock. It decides your outward appearance, how you're insides interact. The likely hood of disease and advantages you have. It decides what gender you are and what genders you're attracted to. There is always room to maneuver, transsexuals and transgenders prove this, but its not going to stop the fact that I'm going to die of Alzheimer's most likely if its not lung cancer or liver cancer first. It decided my height, my hair, my organs, my sexuality, my brain which is where everything is derived from. Culture plays a large role in creating norms and establishing/reinforcing those norms. It should be changed to be as neutral as possible but at the same time Culture is just a mirror. What is produced is one big ass mirror looking back at us and screaming, "LOOK AT IT." To ignore the importance of Biology and DNA really doesn't help any argument, and in fact hurts it.[/QUOTE] The human brain has evolved way passed the point of submitting to genetics socially. The room to maneuver is a massive scope given that we've overcome our primal instincts nearly completely. Also if liking "girly" things or liking "black" things was genetic then these groups interests wouldn't vary from country to country and culture to culture. Like they do.
[QUOTE=Winters;42545658]The human brain has evolved way passed the point of submitting to genetics socially. The room to maneuver is a massive scope given that we've overcome our primal instincts nearly completely. Also if liking "girly" things or liking "black" things was genetic then these groups interests wouldn't vary from country to country and culture to culture. Like they do.[/QUOTE] That's completely true, still seems weird that we're able to make those distinctions but I'm stuck with the dangers of breast cancer, prostate cancer, alzhiemer's and ADHD with no say.
[QUOTE=Swilly;42545675]That's completely true, still seems weird that we're able to make those distinctions but I'm stuck with the dangers of breast cancer, prostate cancer, alzhiemer's and ADHD with no say.[/QUOTE] I'm not a geneticist or a neurologist or anything but to my understanding we [i]really[/i] don't fully understand how the brain works. I'm sure there are some people who have theories or maybe even answers as to why traits like those are so different than our normal understanding of personalities/ behaviors and how they work.
We're far from a complete understanding of either DNA or the brain, in fact our biology holds many mysteries, while more and more things are being proven to be genetic the exact same is happening with more and more things being proven to be enviromentally, socially and culturally influenced. [editline]16th October 2013[/editline] To bring biology into a debate about our society is rarely relevent because of how little we know. [editline]16th October 2013[/editline] And really how much does our DNA matter these days anyway? For example, even if the man is biologically stronger than the woman, it's only slightly so and so few of the jobs to be done in our western world requires great strength. We have people who make the choice to stop eating meat aka vegetarians, because they can, even if it goes against what we've done for who knows how long.
[QUOTE=carcarcargo;42542893]I don't considering anything intrinsically masculine or feminine, all I see are arbitrary labels put on things due to culture.[/QUOTE] That's beside the point whether or not you consider things masculine or feminine. The point was that it's not wrong to see some things as masculine or feminine if you don't demand corresponding genders to do only those things and stay away from the opposite. It's not sexism if the guy thinks that women are less interested in being engineers than men but at the same time he wouldn't mind female engineers, is it? It would be if he said something like "it's a men's job, women shouldn't do this sort of thing", right? See the difference? [editline]17th October 2013[/editline] [QUOTE=MrJazzy;42546089]We're far from a complete understanding of either DNA or the brain, in fact our biology holds many mysteries, while more and more things are being proven to be genetic the exact same is happening with more and more things being proven to be enviromentally, socially and culturally influenced. To bring biology into a debate about our society is rarely relevent because of how little we know. And really how much does our DNA matter these days anyway? For example, even if the man is biologically stronger than the woman, it's only slightly so and so few of the jobs to be done in our western world requires great strength. We have people who make the choice to stop eating meat aka vegetarians, because they can, even if it goes against what we've done for who knows how long.[/QUOTE] And among other things they have low levels of cholesterol, b12, and omega-3. So yeah it kinda matters. You can't just go "welp fuck biology, I can breathe under water and no biotruth moron is going to tell me otherwise". There are some slight differences, deal with it. What is so scary about diversification? Just don't impose things on people. Let everyone do what they want. What is the problem? Why do some people want to force men and women to be identical?
[quote] demand corresponding genders to do only those things and stay away from the opposite.[/quote] [i]That's the point of gendering a job[/i]
[QUOTE=Jeep-Eep;42552824][i]That's the point of gendering a job[/i][/QUOTE] So in your head people can't see certain things as masculine or feminine and NOT demand corresponding genders to do only those things and stay away from the opposite? Protip: you can. Example: I think firefighter is a masculine job. But I have absolutely nothing against women working as firefighters.
[QUOTE=Silly Sil;42552923]So in your head people can't see certain things as masculine or feminine and NOT demand corresponding genders to do only those things and stay away from the opposite? Protip: you can. Example: I think firefighter is a masculine job. But I have absolutely nothing against women working as firefighters.[/QUOTE] The only job that is masculine is 'cumming in a vag' as Garry would put it. Anything else is social window dressing.
[QUOTE=Jeep-Eep;42552988]The only job that is masculine is 'cumming in a vag' as Garry would put it. Anything else is social window dressing.[/QUOTE] You are a master of missing the point, aren't you? The point was that there is nothing wrong with labeling things the way you want in your head in a different way than a different person. (It's irrelevant to the outside world, it's just your opinion without consequences, it's just a label you use, you are not saying that this and that is for men/women only.) There's something wrong when you impose on other people what they should do with their lives. (I hope I don't have to explain why.) And frankly I don't really see any difference between imposing that only men should do jobs than are considered for men and only women should only do jobs that are considered for women (in said society), and imposing 50/50 split in every profession. They are essentially the same thing. You are telling people how to live their lives based on what YOU think is right. You don't have that authority. Why won't you just let men and women do what they want? Maybe, even if you get rid of all the sexism, there's still gonna be jobs that women are more interested in than men and vice versa? If that was the case, would you accept that? Or would you try to force 50/50 split regardless?
What's the ruddy point of identifying a job with one gender if it's supposed to be equally accessible then? Answer me that.
[QUOTE=Jeep-Eep;42553259]What's the ruddy point of identifying a job with one gender if it's supposed to be equally accessible then? Answer me that.[/QUOTE] There's nothing wrong with identifying a job wth one gender, it's just a stereotype built over the years by the abbundance of X gender people applying for or practicing said profession. No competent company will look at someone and deny them a job because they are a man or a woman, the only thing stopping someone from being hired is having the necessary qualifications, and to have those you need to have an education on the field you plan on getting into. This would imply that people from diferent genders have diferent intrests when it comes to choosing what field they would like to specialize in. That's why job stereotypes exist, people are just born diferent you can't force them to be the same.
[QUOTE=Jeep-Eep;42553259]What's the ruddy point of identifying a job with one gender if it's supposed to be equally accessible then? Answer me that.[/QUOTE] Okay here's the thing you might not know about. Not all men are identical and not all women are identical. Now on average, there'll be things that men are more interested in or more suited to do, and things that women are more interested in or more suited to do. However, if you look at it individually, there will be women who are interested in things (and doing it well) that on average men are more interested in and vice versa. That's what I'd call a woman doing a masculine thing. And I wouldn't have any problem with that. Exaggerated example: I might think that most men have hairy backs, have a physical job, and like to drink a lot, (and thus consider those things masculine,) but at the same time have nothing against a woman having those characteristics. Just because you think that a certain job is more attractive (on average) to men, or/and that men (on average) have some kind of predispositions for it, doesn't mean that you will impose that there absolutely can't be a woman doing that job, and doing it well. You seem to think that "feminine" and "masculine" categories in one's head must have a practical use, consequences, something you will demand from other people do fit in. Maybe it's not a practical category but rather an informational one.
Time will tell which side is right when it comes to scientific matters, when they find policies based on them not working consistently time and time again.
I'm just baffled why they it as a problem that certain jobs like nursing attract a vast majority of women and other jobs like engineering attract mostly men. There is no need to pretend that we are exactly the same, just let people do what they're good at on an individual level and treat everyone with equal respect and compassion. :lehippyface:
[QUOTE=jobizzle;42554968]I'm just baffled why they it as a problem that certain jobs like nursing attract a vast majority of women and other jobs like engineering attract mostly men. There is no need to pretend that we are exactly the same, just let people do what they're good at on an individual level and treat everyone with equal respect and compassion. :lehippyface:[/QUOTE] These people have the same exact mindset as those who think that women should stay at home and take care of the house and children while men should be the only ones having a job. They've conjured up how the society should look like and they think they are in a position to impose that on everyone. They won't let people do what they want. Everyone has to live by their standards.
[QUOTE=Silly Sil;42555128]These people have the same exact mindset as those who think that women should stay at home and take care of the house and children while men should be the only ones having a job. They've conjured up how the society should look like and they think they are in a position to impose that on everyone. They won't let people do what they want. Everyone has to live by their standards.[/QUOTE] Look up [i]why[/i] women don't enter into those jobs dude.
[QUOTE=Jeep-Eep;42555200]Look up [i]why[/i] women don't enter into those jobs dude.[/QUOTE] The fact that women are discriminated and discouraged from doing jobs that are considered "manly" has jack shit with the fact that the people who think they have the authority to impose 50/50 split in every profession share the same exact mindset with people who think that women should stay at home and take care of the house and children while men should be the only ones having a job. Which is, demanding that other people live by their standards. Answer this, or it's not going to go anywhere. Do you want to get rid of all the gender roles and let people do what they want, or do you want to tell people how they should live their lives, in this case impose 50/50 split in every profession?
[QUOTE=Silly Sil;42555394] Answer this, or it's not going to go anywhere. Do you want to get rid of all the gender roles and let people do what they want, or do you want to tell people how they should live their lives, in this case impose 50/50 split in every profession?[/QUOTE] Don't pull out strawmen. I want anti-harassment rules with teeth and laws that force people to look at qualified candidates of both genders. We shall see what gender ratios look like when the boy's club isn't allowed to have it's way for a few decades. Legal equality doesn't mean jack [i]if the culture doesn't change.[/i]
[QUOTE=Jeep-Eep;42555458]Don't pull out strawmen. I want anti-harassment rules with teeth and laws that force people to look at qualified candidates of both genders. We shall see what gender ratios look like when the boy's club isn't allowed to have it's way for a few decades. Legal equality doesn't mean jack [I]if the culture doesn't change.[/I][/QUOTE] How can it be a strawman if I'm asking you what your stance is for fuck's sake? And if people in the vid were thinking that 50/50 split is the only right way the society should be. It's not an exaggerated point you've made, I don't think you know what strawman means. Okay so, you want to get rid of all the gender roles and let people do what they want, then? And you will accept that [I]MAYBE[/I] there won't be 50/50 split in every profession? If that's your stance, then pretty much nothing I've said was about you, so I don't understand what do you disagree with.
[QUOTE=Silly Sil;42555394]The fact that women are discriminated and discouraged from doing jobs that are considered "manly" has jack shit with the fact that the people who think they have the authority to impose 50/50 split in every profession share the same exact mindset with people who think that women should stay at home and take care of the house and children while men should be the only ones having a job. Which is, demanding that other people live by their standards. Answer this, or it's not going to go anywhere. Do you want to get rid of all the gender roles and let people do what they want, or do you want to tell people how they should live their lives, in this case impose 50/50 split in every profession?[/QUOTE] Nobody is looking to [U]force[/U] a 50/50 gender split in every profession, but the mindset is that in a society where genders are equal most professions should be somewhere around those numbers - because why not? For example what biological reason is there that so few women are in the gaming industry while nearly half of those who play games are women?
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