Do you think America is doomed, or that it hit a bump in it's progression as a nation? - General

[QUOTE=ice445;35003306]What you're describing is a failure of human nature, not anything to do with American media. The media reports on world events just fine. The problem stems from the fact that things happening outside of someone's daily life are put on a very low bar of importance and consideration.[/QUOTE] Culture abroad is a little more unique and protected. I'm not saying this is entirely an American phenomena, but it's highly prevalent there. Can you honestly compare French culture with modern American culture? [editline]5th March 2012[/editline] Or Norwegian culture, or German culture?

[QUOTE=Governor Goblin;35003732]Culture abroad is a little more unique and protected. I'm not saying this is entirely an American phenomena, but it's highly prevalent there. Can you honestly compare French culture with modern American culture? [editline]5th March 2012[/editline] Or Norwegian culture, or German culture?[/QUOTE] You can, actually. They're not as different as you might think. It's not like in Germany every citizen spends their time together thinking of ways to solve world problems. They have their hit TV shows and celebrities too.

I didn't say all of them were, I'm just saying they're slightly less idiotic than your usual American.

It depends on the outcome of the presidential elections. As it stands, I'd say you're hitting a bump. If Santorum gets elected? Doomed. Totally fucking doomed.

And I can agree with that.

We're definetly doomed. We've been in power long enough. Someone elses turn.

Were doomed. Empires are bound to fail eventually.

I heard a quote somewhere that sticks true. It is no where written that the American empire goes on forever.

My only regret is that we weren't formal and blatant about out aims, like the british were. We hide behind 'humanitarianism' and 'defending the free world', which only serves to confuse and distort.

[QUOTE=Conscript;35008330]My only regret is that we weren't formal and blatant about out aims, like the british were. We hide behind 'humanitarianism' and 'defending the free world', which only serves to confuse and distort.[/QUOTE] Because the American government is the only government, ever, to hide things from its people.

All we can do is hope for a revolution!

[QUOTE=Secrios;35027968]All we can do is hope for a revolution![/QUOTE] What an incredibly stupid thing to say.

[QUOTE=Wealth + Taste;35027640]Because the American government is the only government, ever, to hide things from its people.[/QUOTE] That wasn't his point at all.

The US are a neo-colonialism state. It is simple: everyone know they attack countries for democratic and humanist reasons (even their people don't know what is the attacked country) and they overthrow countries governement like Iran, Guatemala, Ecuador, Panama, ... They tried on Venezuela in 2002 (Bush government) but they didn't win this time, Venezuela people wanted Hugo Chavez to stay as the president and not the dictator formed by the CIA to get the power in Venezuela :). The US is a country full of cool, funny and friendly people! It isn't because a country is managed by corporate fuckers and lobbyists that people there aren't cool! But I don't agree, all those wars, governement overthrows made by the US just for to help US corporations to get more profits. You know, when the US attack a country, the US corporations get there and start to sell their products to the people. Per exemple: Coca Cola or Pepsi (worldwide). Other companies like fuel companies and ore companies who start to extract all the ressources. And the final one: BANKS. They start to give huge loans to this country and make the governement poor... Very poor... Because, if they give loans on the US companies based on this country, the governement is forced to cut its budget for education, security, etc... That explain why so many country in the world are fucked because they got owned by the US. The US is the biggest empire in our planet today. But we cannot say that the US is an empire because there is an elected president. But the real masters are the minority who are at the head of big corporations BASED in the US who influence the governement with lobbyists. Those people who are at the top of those companies are also the masters of press/news companies, using television, newspapers, etc... to brainwash american people and give them "hope"... For nothing... The US people need to get out in the streets and they must overthrow their governement first... But then all the corporations! 1. All the US currency and Euros are made by debts! That means the banks fucked all of us! 2. Corporate greed are stealing OUR money. 3. After all the wars made by the US, the real terrorists aren't Al Quaida but the men who wears 5000$ suits in Wall Streets and Governement offices! Also, there are more people killed by the US than the Nazis! This is true, look at this: [url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_wars_involving_the_United_States[/url] (huge list for a country, even after 1950). 4. They can accuse someone to be a terrorist if they want to without any reasons. 5. They imprison people who hack shitty website for 122 years. Even child rapists are imprisoned for 20 years! So ok, the justice of US thinks that hacking website is more serious than rape and kill childrens... 6. They can arrest people outside their country, without international warrants. 7. They spent 500,000,000,000 $ for their army every years! You know with this money you can get ALL the US students in private schools? Or make a very good healthcare system! 8. But they doesn't care of the US citizens... They just want profits! THE US IS THE NEW BIG DICTATORSHIP IN THIS WORLD, THEY FUCKED SO MANY PEOPLE, THEY FUCKED SO MANY COUNTRIES, THEY KILLED SO MANY CHILDREN, THEY BOMBED SO MANY COUNTRIES, HOSPITALS OR SCHOOLS! We live in a CORPORATOCRACY: a "democratic" state managed by rich people who are monitored and influenced by corporations. They only have one goal: profits as much as possible. PS: Excuse me for writing so fast, but you must know it is hard to write what you really think. I am very sensitive at this point about the US greed. I hope one day we will find peace everywhere. Actually, the US is the main country who lead wars around the world with NATO or itself. I hate wars, I hate guns and I want more humanity and love on this world than money, materialism, justin bieber and other shit we don't really care but we do it because we don't find anything else to worry about... Fuck this world, I hope one day I could be happy. Life continues. [highlight](User was banned for this post ("Needlessly vitriolic debate, ridiculous post." - Megafan))[/highlight]

[QUOTE=LoucoussBe;35110400]The US are a neo-colonialism state. It is simple: everyone know they attack countries for democratic and humanist reasons.[/QUOTE] America isn't Democratic, it's a republic. And congress declares war for the same reason Al-Qaeda decided to attack it. They attack when they feel a country has its head is up its own ass (be that values, religion, government, whatever (you might consider that humanist, but killing people isn't humanist at all)).

[QUOTE=BlackMuffin;35110905]America isn't Democratic, it's a republic. And congress declares war for the same reason Al-Qaeda decided to attack it. They attack when they feel a country has its head is up its own ass (be that values, religion, government, whatever (you might consider that humanist, but killing people isn't humanist at all)).[/QUOTE] Tell me where Al Quaida attacked the US? The 9/11 ??? Damn dude, we found thermite use in the World Trade Center foundations and in the WTC7 ! Can you tell me how a plane could install those explosives on the towers structure? Also, other plane crashes are strange! The pentagon attack is a mystery... No trace of a Booeing plane all around... Just some metal pieces (who can be handled by a person). The 9/11 events are just a catalyst to launch the war in the Middle East. I'd say: "The petrol war"... and it is actually called "The war on FEAR". PATRIOT act, FOXshit and other mediashit who try to fear the people about terrorism and Al Quaida are totally bull shit and make the day of every american citizen a bad day of fear! With this shit, American bought many security systems, weapons, etc... In fact the War of Fear is just good for one thing... The profits of big american corporations where you buy the guns, security systems, medias, etc... PS: I know that Talibaneses were formed by the CIA and got many funds to help the US against the Red Army (CCCP) while the Afghan War. I know also that they received a lot of funds... But it was for this war and the country. The money wasn't given in a suitcase like they do in films... The money was on an american bank account... Or else, it'd be easy :P. But Al Quaida never did any attempt on the US territory. NEVER. Prove me then if you think I'm wrong ^^.

[QUOTE=LoucoussBe;35112291] Damn dude, we found thermite use in the World Trade Center foundations and in the WTC7 ! Can you tell me how a plane could install those explosives on the towers structure?[/QUOTE] No you didn't. You know there isn't. you can't possibly think there is. Why are you people so fixated on building 7? what logic is there "on top of orchestrating the greatest crime in history, lets destroy a building near by that has no real value or purpose! And we'll leave clues EVERYWHERE."

[QUOTE=Wealth + Taste;35027640]Because the American government is the only government, ever, to hide things from its people.[/QUOTE] That's not what I said at all, maybe you should re-read that post.

[QUOTE=BlackMuffin;35110905]America isn't Democratic, it's a republic. And congress declares war for the same reason Al-Qaeda decided to attack it. [B]They attack when they feel a country has its head is up its own ass [/B](be that values, religion, government, whatever (you might consider that humanist, but killing people isn't humanist at all)).[/QUOTE] Definitely not about mineral wealth or the control of international markets nu-ahh

Why did you ban that guy, megafan?

That part when he got into WTC conspiracies was ridiculous but other than that he just had very blunt but otherwise legit opinions.

That doesn't seem like a valid ban reason to me.

Honestly, it seems like america is going rather downhill at quite a pace. And the fact that several other countries believe that it's the greatest country to be in makes it kind of worse, since their getting dragged into it. I don't know very much about the US, but I do know that it influences the world, mostly in negative ways.

[QUOTE=Governor Goblin;35119116]Why did you ban that guy, megafan?[/QUOTE] Megafan bans people when he doesn't like their opinions. [editline]13th March 2012[/editline] [QUOTE=Henzukaya;35125576]Honestly, it seems like america is going rather downhill at quite a pace. And the fact that several other countries believe that it's the greatest country to be in makes it kind of worse, since their getting dragged into it. I don't know very much about the US, but I do know that it influences the world, mostly in negative ways.[/QUOTE] Great job not supplying evidence and making baseless claims while ADMITTING that you know nothing about the subject. HEY MEGANFAN THESE ARE THE GUYS YOU'RE SUPPOSED TO BAN.

Bad job Megafan I'm sorry but that's not how to moderate, no matter how stupid he is.

Posting an all-caps exclamation of something hyperbolic as he did falls under the category of bad posting in Mass Debate. If you think I do a poor job, you are free to, but this is not the place to contest bans.

Yeah, but it was pretty apparently bullshit. It's clear you banned him because you disagreed with him. Besides, no one is arguing anything, he was the only person providing a counter argument. And he's gone for now, so it's boring again. Good job, megafan.

[QUOTE=Governor Goblin;35113558]No you didn't. You know there isn't. you can't possibly think there is. Why are you people so fixated on building 7? what logic is there "on top of orchestrating the greatest crime in history, lets destroy a building near by that has no real value or purpose! And we'll leave clues EVERYWHERE."[/QUOTE] I love how Goblin is the one making immense amounts of sense.

America is literally a third-world nation that has utterly failed to meet any of the goals and ideals laid out in the constitution. The global power it holds is already waning in the face of their incredible economic debts to countries they can't just invade to wipe their problems away (China). About the only thing they have going for them is their giant stash of nukes.

[QUOTE=Governor Goblin;35131042]Yeah, but it was pretty apparently bullshit. It's clear you banned him because you disagreed with him. Besides, no one is arguing anything, he was the only person providing a counter argument. And he's gone for now, so it's boring again. Good job, megafan.[/QUOTE] I've already told you I didn't. Again, this is not a thread to contest bans.