Do you think America is doomed, or that it hit a bump in it's progression as a nation? - General

[QUOTE=DuncanFrost;35132395]America is literally a third-world nation that has utterly failed to meet any of the goals and ideals laid out in the constitution. The global power it holds is already waning in the face of their incredible economic debts to countries they can't just invade to wipe their problems away (China). About the only thing they have going for them is their giant stash of nukes.[/QUOTE] Are you literally angry at America? Like, do you star sweating and turning red when you think of the U.S.?

[QUOTE=King Tiger;35134495]Are you literally angry at America? Like, do you star sweating and turning red when you think of the U.S.?[/QUOTE] Well, I can't blame him if he did.

[QUOTE=King Tiger;35134495]Are you literally angry at America? Like, do you star sweating and turning red when you think of the U.S.?[/QUOTE] It's more of pity if anything.

I'm gonna get a book from a friend about all the foreign US policy (I don't remember the title and the author) but I know it was made by a very good politic-science teacher. I'm impatient to read this book, to learn more about the US. In the history, there were a lot of issues too... I hope, a day, the truth will be revealed about the US. I just gave my opinions about the US, and now I stop here. But if you have any questions, or arguments against my reply; please, post it. :) [QUOTE=Megafan;35132876]I've already told you I didn't. Again, this is not a thread to contest bans.[/QUOTE] I wrote my post with impulsiveness, sorry for the captions... But this problem is done :). This ban isn't the goal of this thread. We are here to talk :wink: .

[QUOTE=LoucoussBe;35134794]I'm gonna get a book from a friend about all the foreign US policy (I don't remember the title and the author) but I know it was made by a very good politic-science teacher. I'm impatient to read this book, to learn more about the US. In the history, there were a lot of issues too... I hope, a day, the truth will be revealed about the US. I just gave my opinions about the US, and now I stop here. But if you have any questions, or arguments against my reply; please, post it. :) I wrote my post with impulsiveness, sorry for the captions... But this problem is done :). This ban isn't the goal of this thread. We are here to talk :wink: .[/QUOTE] I asked this: Why are you so fixated on WTC building 7?

[QUOTE=Governor Goblin;35134592]Well, I can't blame him if he did.[/QUOTE] No one can blame the mis informed.

[QUOTE=ThePinkPanzer;35137996]No one can blame the mis informed.[/QUOTE] Well, you need to be a special kind of ignorant to ignore the bad shit the US does.

[QUOTE=Governor Goblin;35138361]Well, you need to be a special kind of ignorant to ignore the bad shit the US does.[/QUOTE] Perhaps an American?

[QUOTE=Governor Goblin;35138361]Well, you need to be a special kind of ignorant to ignore the bad shit the US does.[/QUOTE] Never ignored it, but I do not blatantly over bloat it like you. [editline]14th March 2012[/editline] [QUOTE=Henzukaya;35138631]Perhaps an American?[/QUOTE] Americans have some of the lowest national pride and trust for their government in the world, quit believing in stereotypes.

[QUOTE=ThePinkPanzer;35140765]Never ignored it, but I do not blatantly over bloat it like you.[/QUOTE] America seems to enjoy getting away with the shit it does. I don't see how talking about it is 'overbloating' it. You on the other hand seem deathly afraid of admitting your country can do wrong.

You talk like American conservatives=American people as a whole. Stop generalizing. I could call you commie scum because you're a liberal, but that wouldn't be fair either, would it?

I'm not a liberal, first of all. Second, conservatives aren't the only ones who at fault. Sure, they're pretty much MOST of the problem, but it's a fair scale.

[QUOTE=Governor Goblin;35135307]I asked this: Why are you so fixated on WTC building 7?[/QUOTE] Because it was strange. The WTC7 was the only one fallen building around the WTC park. The WTC7 wasn't hit by a plane or by something... And about the US gov: "a fire started inside the WTC7 and explosed fuel tanks that destroyed that building"... Lol, they really think that people are dumb to believe that... So I think it is a controlled destruction. Note: [img]http://reopen911.files.wordpress.com/2008/09/wtc7_view02.gif[/img]

[QUOTE=LoucoussBe;35141424]Because it was strange. The WTC7 was the only one fallen building around the WTC park. The WTC7 wasn't hit by a plane or by something... And about the US gov: "a fire started inside the WTC7 and explosed fuel tanks that destroyed that building"... Lol, they really think that people are dumb to believe that... So I think it is a controlled destruction. Note: [img]http://reopen911.files.wordpress.com/2008/09/wtc7_view02.gif[/img][/QUOTE] No other buildings fell? Jesus fuck man did you even look at any pictures of New York? There were tons of buildings that look like bombs hit them. [editline]14th March 2012[/editline] [QUOTE=Governor Goblin;35141306]America seems to enjoy getting away with the shit it does. I don't see how talking about it is 'overbloating' it. You on the other hand seem deathly afraid of admitting your country can do wrong.[/QUOTE] I seem deathly afraid? I never said anything about her capacity to do wrong, stop putting words in others mouths because your own argument does not back up, what I am saying is you act like the US is the sole power in the world that causes all evil and all wars and nothing is worse than it in any way.

[QUOTE=LoucoussBe;35141424]Because it was strange. The WTC7 was the only one fallen building around the WTC park. The WTC7 wasn't hit by a plane or by something... And about the US gov: "a fire started inside the WTC7 and explosed fuel tanks that destroyed that building"... Lol, they really think that people are dumb to believe that... So I think it is a controlled destruction. Note: [img]http://reopen911.files.wordpress.com/2008/09/wtc7_view02.gif[/img][/QUOTE] They gave an official and obvious explanation to it's collapse. LOL NO WAY you're dumb I somehow know better. [editline]14th March 2012[/editline] And why do you people always say "controlled" demolition? Have you ever seen a controlled demolition? The buildings look nothing like the WTC buildings after they are destroyed. Why would the government bother with controlled demolition anyway? Why no just layer the building with explosives and pulverize it?

[QUOTE=LoucoussBe;35141424]Because it was strange. The WTC7 was the only one fallen building around the WTC park. The WTC7 wasn't hit by a plane or by something... And about the US gov: "a fire started inside the WTC7 and explosed fuel tanks that destroyed that building"... Lol, they really think that people are dumb to believe that... So I think it is a controlled destruction. Note: [img]http://reopen911.files.wordpress.com/2008/09/wtc7_view02.gif[/img][/QUOTE] Well your uncertainty just comes from plain lack of knowledge. The WTC 7 building was the only one to collapse, yes, but all the other buildings were shredded apart. The only reason why WTC 7 collapsed is because of its strange design. The fire that raged inside of it did help bring it down, ontop of the fact that the side of the building was carved out by debris, helped drop it. The fires were going for more than 9 hours, this weakened the structure. WTC 7's collapse is actually a common collapse type. It's called a progressive collapse, many damaged buildings in the past have fallen on their own through this means. [editline]15th March 2012[/editline] I mean, you say no other building collapsed. Yeah, that may be partly true, but... [img]http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/1/16/6-wtc-photo.jpg[/img] At what point do you go "okay, 3/4 of the building is missing and standing on a literal thread, so maybe an outright collapse doesn't matter all that much.

[QUOTE=LoucoussBe;35112291]Tell me where Al Quaida attacked the US? The 9/11 ??? Damn dude, [B]we found thermite use in the World Trade Center foundations[/B] and in the WTC7 ! Can you tell me how a plane could install those explosives on the towers structure? Also, other plane crashes are strange! The pentagon attack is a mystery... No trace of a Booeing plane all around... Just some metal pieces (who can be handled by a person). The 9/11 events are just a catalyst to launch the war in the Middle East. I'd say: "The petrol war"... and it is actually called "The war on FEAR". PATRIOT act, FOXshit and other mediashit who try to fear the people about terrorism and Al Quaida are totally bull shit and make the day of every american citizen a bad day of fear! With this shit, American bought many security systems, weapons, etc... In fact the War of Fear is just good for one thing... The profits of big american corporations where you buy the guns, security systems, medias, etc... PS: I know that Talibaneses were formed by the CIA and got many funds to help the US against the Red Army (CCCP) while the Afghan War. I know also that they received a lot of funds... But it was for this war and the country. The money wasn't given in a suitcase like they do in films... The money was on an american bank account... Or else, it'd be easy :P. [I]But Al Quaida never did any attempt on the US territory.[/I] NEVER. Prove me then if you think I'm wrong ^^.[/QUOTE] We've got a fucking Alex Jones conspiracy nut. Wonderful. Also, [url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1993_World_Trade_Center_bombing[/url]

[QUOTE=ShadoWxAssassiN;35144076]We've got a fucking Alex Jones conspiracy nut. Wonderful[/QUOTE] how about the mossad agents who had critical intelligence that the attack was going to happen yet did nothing? i don't believe the government is efficient enough to properly stage a false flag terror attack like this, but there are many facts that haven't been revealed to us about it. they were caught red handed with the oklahoma city bombing; both means and opportunity (cia agents admitting to planting explosives + news reports), as well as motive (to demonize anti-government and militia movements). that was pretty small scale compared to 9/11. what makes anyone think they could do it better? [media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VMrYeMTXifc[/media] simple dismissal of it as "conspiracy nut nonsense" does not progress the debate whatsoever, and is simply immaturity and ignorance at best. give it consideration, take the time to research both sides of the story, then make your conclusion. too few people abide by this rule.

[QUOTE=Hayburner;35145614]how about the mossad agents who had critical intelligence that the attack was going to happen yet did nothing? i don't believe the government is efficient enough to properly stage a false flag terror attack like this, but there are many facts that haven't been revealed to us about it. they were caught red handed with the oklahoma city bombing; both means and opportunity (cia agents admitting to planting explosives + news reports), as well as motive (to demonize anti-government and militia movements). that was pretty small scale compared to 9/11. what makes anyone think they could do it better? [media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VMrYeMTXifc[/media] simple dismissal of it as "conspiracy nut nonsense" does not progress the debate whatsoever, and is simply immaturity and ignorance at best. give it consideration, take the time to research both sides of the story, then make your conclusion. too few people abide by this rule.[/QUOTE] Got any evidence for any of that buddy?

[QUOTE=Governor Goblin;35147947]Got any evidence for any of that buddy?[/QUOTE] i just posted some of it... searching on your own will also help. [url]http://whatreallyhappened.com/RANCHO/POLITICS/OK/ok.php[/url] presents a few interesting points, no? cue you try to dismiss that source... this will prove my point considering the gulf of tonkin, operation northwoods, the warren commission (headed by a former bank CEO after JFK signed EO11110, hmm...), the iran contra scandal, CIA causing the crack epidemic, iran coup d'etat of 1953, operation fast and furious, the "wmds" in iraq, all the horrible dictators we propped up and funded, COINTELPRO, NDAA, bobby hutton, bradley manning, KONY2012, the fact that we are "protecting" opium fields in afghanistan, waco... just to name a few is your government so great after all?

Sorry, I couldn't get past this [img]http://scrd.sitescout.netdna-cdn.com/wrh-diabetes-5431c17.gif[/img] The batshit was a bit too overwhelming.

[QUOTE=Governor Goblin;35148239]Sorry, I couldn't get past this [img]http://scrd.sitescout.netdna-cdn.com/wrh-diabetes-5431c17.gif[/img] The batshit was a bit too overwhelming.[/QUOTE] this is not how you argue effectively...

If the source is so fucking away from the realms of reality, why should I take it seriously? Choose a better source. Clearly if this conspiracy is so apparent, someone else must be reporting on it.

[QUOTE=Governor Goblin;35148390]If the source is so fucking away from the realms of reality, why should I take it seriously?[/quote] really? you're not directly addressing any of its content at all? how about all the examples i just piled up in one of my previous posts? no? then stop replying to my posts. it's apparent you are providing nothing useful other than some less than witty commentary i would expect from the peanut gallery. [quote]Choose a better source. Clearly if this conspiracy is so apparent, someone else must be reporting on it.[/QUOTE] so much is wrong with this statement.. argument from authority argument from personal incredulity begging the question not to mention that doesn't make any sense

Okay, so you're seriously suggesting the federal government bombed its own building to frame some random guy. Yeah, this conspiracy is making a fuck load of sense. [editline]15th March 2012[/editline] What you conspiracy theorists do is, you pick the slightest bit of evidence that doesn't jump out at you as being part of the story, and use that as evidence. Speculation, which that entire webpage is, does not prove or disprove. For example, the WTC 7 building. People find the fire story weird out of pure ignorance, so they think it supports the theory that the government did it. Now, hayburner, if you want to believe that FEMA is going to imprison you, that's on you, I'm just saying, provide a little facts. And do so in your words. sending me a webpage shows me you're lazy.

[QUOTE=Governor Goblin;35148602]Okay, so you're seriously suggesting the federal government bombed its own building to frame some random guy. Yeah, this conspiracy is making a fuck load of sense.[/quote] let me explain to you some context since it happened before you were even born. in the early 1990s the militia movement was rapidly growing due to distrust of the federal government (and with good reason). after big events like waco and ruby ridge people took it upon themselves to exercise their 2nd amendment rights, and that is perfectly fine. the government, who was already totally expanding its power in the 90s would no doubt become afraid of people acting responsibly and self-sufficiently. it is not in our government's interest to make people independent of government aid in its many forms, correct? now here is where mcveigh comes in to the picture. the government takes some "lone nut" with anti-government views, and an obsession with 2nd amendment rights, who was also associated with the michigan militia, and frame him for a politically motivated attack. remind you of anyone (hint: oswald)? why does the conception of people who care about their right to bear arms seem so symbiotic with conspiracy theory, paranoia, aggression, among other things? now after this event the government has a very plausible excuse to pass anti-gun legislation, and this sends a message to states to pass their own as well. it totally suits their goals because it will be harder for individuals to exercise their gun rights the way the founders intended; that is to violently overthrow the government once it has become tyrannical. we are long overdue for such an event, aren't we? simply thinking and questioning things will do you a lot of good. you are obviously young so i will excuse you for being so brash and ignorant. hopefully you can start early in reading and become an intelligent and effective speaker. my first suggestion to you is to stop being an asshole in every one of your posts. you could say that sometimes i am disrespectful but as of now i am attempting to be as polite as i can with a person like you. [quote]And do so in your words. sending me a webpage shows me you're lazy.[/QUOTE] why reinvent the wheel?

[QUOTE=Hayburner;35149295]let me explain to you some context since it happened before you were even born.[/quote] oh sick burn dude! [quote]in the early 1990s the militia movement was rapidly growing due to distrust of the federal government (and with good reason).[/quote] The Milita movement was also out of their fucking mind (Like you for example). [quote]after big events like waco and ruby ridge people took it upon themselves to exercise their 2nd amendment rights, and that is perfectly fine.[/quote] Yeah, but once you start shooting at Federal Agents, and hoard expetionally illegal weapons, I lose sympathy. [quote]the government, who was already totally expanding its power in the 90s would no doubt become afraid of people acting responsibly and self-sufficiently.[/quote] So far your whole argument is a "the government is going to take my guns". And "I'm fucking paranoid as all shit." [quote]it is not in our government's interest to make people independent of government aid in its many forms, correct? now here is where mcveigh comes in to the picture.[/quote] That really didn't make much sense. What aid? Who brought up aid? [quote]the government takes some "lone nut" with anti-government views, and an obsession with 2nd amendment rights, who was also associated with the michigan militia, and frame him for a politically motivated attack.[/quote] The militia movement? McVeigh was not a member of the militia movement. [quote]remind you of anyone (hint: oswald)?[/quote] No, not really. Oswald was, and it pains me to say this, leaning more towards the left. He was an anti-American. No relation to McVeigh. Politically or, pretty much anything at all. [quote]why does the conception of people who care about their right to bear arms seem so symbiotic with conspiracy theory, paranoia, aggression, among other things?[/quote] Because typically they are. You are no exception. [quote]now after this event the government has a very plausible excuse to pass anti-gun legislation, and this sends a message to states to pass their own as well.[/quote] What event are you talking about? The bombing? Or the Michigan Milita? The MM's only significant event was when Norman Olson testified. As for the bombing? It brought up issues regarding domestic terrorism, not gun control. [quote]it totally suits their goals because it will be harder for individuals to exercise their gun rights the way the founders intended;[/quote] 1995 is very different from 1776 [quote]that is to violently overthrow the government once it has become tyrannical. we are long overdue for such an event, aren't we?[/quote] Right... Don't you have an abortion doctor to kill or something? [quote]simply thinking and questioning things will do you a lot of good. you are obviously young so i will excuse you for being so brash and ignorant. hopefully you can start early in reading and become an intelligent and effective speaker.[/quote] Wait that's it? That's all you got? Where's your argument? Where is your facts? What did you just do besides weakly try to insult me and say 'government is bad!!!'? my first suggestion to you is to stop being an asshole in every one of your posts. you could say that sometimes i am disrespectful but as of now i am attempting to be as polite as i can with a person like you. I think your tin foil hat is a bit too tight, darling. [editline]15th March 2012[/editline] Okay, I'll sarcastically bash your theory again: Okay, so you're seriously suggesting the federal government bombed its own building to frame some random guy. [who had no real political impact anywhere] In order to pass gun control [which already existed] using bombs Yeah, this conspiracy is making a fuck load of sense. [editline]15th March 2012[/editline] You know what, lets assume for a second, all the shit you said was relevant and painted a clear picture as to HOW the government could use this to their advantage. Okay: It doesn't matter, McVeigh didn't say he was innocent because he didn't do it, but he declared he was innocent by declaring a, and I'm going to bold this because of how badly it destroys your paranoid argument, [B]Necessity Defence[/B]. Interesting, a man gladly admits to a crime, but somehow he's being framed.

[QUOTE=Governor Goblin;35151945]The Milita movement was also out of their fucking mind (Like you for example).[/quote] source? [quote]Yeah, but once you start shooting at Federal Agents, and hoard expetionally illegal weapons, I lose sympathy.[/quote] so you have the audacity to determine who began shooting? [quote]So far your whole argument is a "the government is going to take my guns". And "I'm fucking paranoid as all shit."[/quote] no, and stop with the ad hominems. [quote]That really didn't make much sense. What aid? Who brought up aid?[/quote] if people use government services more they become more dependent on them, i.e. aid are you so dense that it prevents you from using common sense? [quote]The militia movement? McVeigh was not a member of the militia movement.[/quote] i didnt say he was a member, genius. [url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michigan_Militia#See_also[/url] [quote]No, not really. Oswald was, and it pains me to say this, leaning more towards the left. He was an anti-American. No relation to McVeigh. Politically or, pretty much anything at all.[/quote] again you fail to see context. i did not say he was politically aligned with mcveigh. my point is he was a patsy like mcveigh. [quote]Because typically they are.[/quote] source? [quote]You are no exception.[/quote] oh sick burn dude! [quote]What event are you talking about? The bombing? Or the Michigan Milita? The MM's only significant event was when Norman Olson testified. As for the bombing? It brought up issues regarding domestic terrorism, not gun control.[/quote] the bombing, obviously. the legislation they passed peeled away at the 5th amendment. there was also significant media attention brought to opponents of gun control which has effect on public opinion. are we forgetting cause and effect here? [quote]1995 is very different from 1776[/quote] how is that relevant to what i'm saying? how does that even help your argument (or lack thereof, rofl)? that's just mindless drivel. [quote]Right... Don't you have an abortion doctor to kill or something?[/quote] oh another sick burn dude! also no, quite frankly i am pro-choice. [quote]Where is your facts?[/quote] as opposed to you? i presented several. [quote]What did you just do besides weakly try to insult me and say 'government is bad!!!'?[/quote] what did you just do besides weakly try to insult me and fail to simplify my argument into something that sounds absurd? [quote]my first suggestion to you is to stop being an asshole in every one of your posts. you could say that sometimes i am disrespectful but as of now i am attempting to be as polite as i can with a person like you.[/quote] sorry, stealing my post wont work even if you have no argument at all. you are the one that is being an asshole and you should be banned for not debating at all. [quote]I think your tin foil hat is a bit too tight, darling.[/QUOTE] oh yet another sick burn dude! learn2post [editline]15th March 2012[/editline] [QUOTE=Governor Goblin;35151945]Interesting, a man gladly admits to a crime, but somehow he's being framed.[/QUOTE] hi im Governor Goblin and i dont know what a patsy is and if someone says something then it must be true [quote]Wait that's it? That's all you got? Where's your argument?[/quote] wait, that's it? that's all you got? where's [B]your[/B] argument? why is it that you can only make a post that attacks someone? why are you not banned yet?

[QUOTE=Hayburner;35152156]source?[/quote] Linda Thompson I mean, source? Seriously? A group that is so paranoid about the NWO and FEMA camps and the government doing half the shit it's not, that's not source enough that these guys aren't the LEAST bit out of their fucking minds? [quote]so you have the audacity to determine who began shooting?[/quote] It's well documented that the Davidans and Waco cultists shot first. [quote]no, and stop with the ad hominems.[/quote] whoa whoa whoa, you did it first you silly sausage. [quote]if people use government services more they become more dependent on them, i.e. aid[/quote] Not really true, you got a citation for that? [quote]are you so dense that it prevents you from using common sense?[/quote] Right, I should use your concept of logic. FEMA exists, therefore they must have concentration camps. JUST LOGIC, SHEEPLE. [quote]i didnt say he was a member, genius. [url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michigan_Militia#See_also[/url][/quote] Thanks for that quote, without that link to the Wikipedia article, I would have never known Timothy McVeigh was not a member of the MM. And with that, we can ignore the fact I said McVeigh wasn't a member of MM. [quote]again you fail to see context. i did not say he was politically aligned with mcveigh. my point is he was a patsy like mcveigh.[/quote] Patsy to who? [quote]source?[/quote] A man named Tim McVeigh, who is gun fucking crazy, blew up a building killing several hundred people maybe you've heard of him. [quote]oh sick burn dude![/quote] It's not funny when you say it. It's just kinda tragic. [quote]the bombing, obviously. the legislation they passed peeled away at the 5th amendment. there was also significant media attention brought to opponents of gun control which has effect on public opinion. are we forgetting cause and effect here?[/quote] Discussion is going to flare up, of course. Kid shoots himself by accident or someone else, gun control flares up, does that mean the Government orchestrates it? no. [quote]how is that relevant to what i'm saying? how does that even help your argument? that's just mindless drivel.[/quote] If you understood your own constitution at all, you wouldn't be so lost. There's something called the elastic clause, as society progresses, the living constitution needs to progress. You live in a 1776 2nd amendment interpretation, not in a modern day. As time progresses, you need to progress with it. Gun laws should be discussed, you people go for a completely hands off approach, which is hypocritical as hell. [quote]oh another sick burn dude! also no, quite frankly i am pro-choice.[/quote] [quote]where's [B]your[/B] argument? again from you i just see childish attacks.[/quote] Tell you what, when you get older and understand basic reading comprehension, you can come back and read the posts. [quote]as opposed to you? i presented several.[/quote] No you didn't you lunatic. Just saying "government is bad!" is not an argument. I asked why the hell they'd frame him, you go on a fucking surreal paranoid rant about gun rights. [quote]what did you just do besides weakly try to insult me and fail to simplify my argument into something that sounds absurd?[/quote] You are not smart enough to be arrogant. You are not sane enough to be so confident with your posts. And you especially are not coherent enough to declare how much sense you are making. You are pitiful. It's kinda funny actually. [quote]sorry, stealing my post wont work even if you have no argument at all. you are the one that is being an asshole and you should be banned for not debating at all.[/quote] "why does the conception of people who care about their right to bear arms seem so symbiotic with conspiracy theory, paranoia, aggression, among other things?" This has nothing to do with Tim McVeigh. [quote]oh yet another sick burn dude! learn2post[/QUOTE] You really shouldn't be so arrogant, especially at how ridiculous you are. You're like an even more paranoid version of Jenkem and Glabor. [editline]15th March 2012[/editline] [QUOTE=Hayburner;35152156] hi im Governor Goblin and i dont know what a patsy is and if someone says something then it must be true wait, that's it? that's all you got? where's [B]your[/B] argument? why is it that you can only make a post that attacks someone? why are you not banned yet?[/QUOTE] Do you have any evidence at all, that isn't just denying the apparent facts?

[QUOTE=Governor Goblin;35152428]Linda Thompson I mean, source? Seriously? A group that is so paranoid about the NWO and FEMA camps and the government doing half the shit it's not, that's not source enough that these guys aren't the LEAST bit out of their fucking minds?[/quote] so your own speculations are a source? good job :downs: [quote]It's well documented that the Davidans and Waco cultists shot first.[/quote] show me unbiased proof and i will give you credit on that. [quote]whoa whoa whoa, you did it first you silly sausage.[/quote] not really, and even if i did it was not to your degree of absurdity. think of it more as my educated observations of your character. [quote]Not really true, you got a citation for that?[/quote] how do you cite something conceptual? please use logic and common sense. [quote]Right, I should use your concept of logic. FEMA exists, therefore they must have concentration camps. JUST LOGIC, SHEEPLE.[/quote] when did i ever mention FEMA in this thread? yet another clear example that all you can write is ad hominem and strawman fallacies. you are so talented! [quote]Thanks for that quote, without that link to the Wikipedia article, I would have never known Timothy McVeigh was not a member of the MM. And with that, we can ignore the fact I said McVeigh wasn't a member of MM.[/quote] again i never said he was a member, i said he was association. association != membership [quote]Patsy to who?[/quote] the CIA. in fact there were several CIA agents reported in the vicinity of the building prior to the attack. [quote]It's not funny when you say it. It's just kinda tragic.[/quote] you missed the point for the billionth time. i am pointing out your tremendous hypocrisy. [quote]Discussion is going to flare up, of course. Kid shoots himself by accident or someone else, gun control flares up, does that mean the Government orchestrates it? no.[/quote] more irrelevant drivel? are you that desperate? [quote]If you understood your own constitution at all, you wouldn't be so lost.[/quote] that more applies to you. [quote]There's something called the elastic clause, as society progresses, the living constitution needs to progress. You live in a 1776 2nd amendment interpretation, not in a modern day. As time progresses, you need to progress with it. Gun laws should be discussed, you people go for a completely hands off approach, which is hypocritical as hell.[/quote] so how is being given the right to bear arms in order to keep the government in line irrelevant by modern day standards, at all? revolution is a timeless concept, darling. [quote]Tell you what, when you get older and understand basic reading comprehension, you can come back and read the posts.[/quote] the pot just called the kettle black. [quote]No you didn't you lunatic. Just saying "government is bad!" is not an argument.[/quote] when did i directly come out and say that? is that the only thing i said? you fail at argument. [quote]I asked why the hell they'd frame him, you go on a fucking surreal paranoid rant about gun rights.[/quote] so my posts are solely concerned with gun rights? i presented a clear and concise hypothesis concerning the governments motive for the attack and this is the best you can reply with? pathetic. [quote]You are not smart enough to be arrogant.[/quote] studies show stupid people believe they are smart. by observation you fit that category. that, combined with your childish anger, makes you arrogant. [quote]You are not sane enough to be so confident with your posts.[/quote] insanity implies delusion so no, confidence can be associated with delusion. maybe thats the ordeal you are experiencing with yourself? [quote]And you especially are not coherent enough to declare how much sense you are making.[/quote] what sense are you making at all? it seems all you do is attack people for no reason other than the fact that differing opinions make you rage. [quote]You are pitiful. It's kinda funny actually.[/quote] yes you are, i feel sorry for you indeed. [quote]You really shouldn't be so arrogant, especially at how ridiculous you are. You're like an even more paranoid version of Jenkem and Glabor.[/QUOTE] the same could be said about you, even moreso. all and all, you have turned this discussion into a flame war because all you can do is flame. i expected rational counterarguments from you but all you can do is insult me. what is your problem? are you upset about something? does anyone that disagree with you just make you want to kill them? you are going to have many problems with your life, i guarantee. i am done here, this is going nowhere. [quote]Governor Goblin has now been successfully added to your ignore list.[/quote]