[QUOTE=Corndog Ninja;36320928][url=http://boxlunches.tumblr.com/post/24876437494/disclaimer-last-weeks-episode-was-pretty-awesome-in]Here's a really good post/rant[/url] about some of the issues with this series. It focuses on some of the pacing struggles due to the smaller number of episodes and how that affects the relationships (romantic and otherwise) between the characters. It also touches on the "show, don't tell" aspect of writing
[sup]I still like this show, though[/sup]
[sup][sub]Try to overlook the massive amount of tumblr gifs[/sub][/sup][/QUOTE]
I think the post is way too nitpicky.
Am I wrong in thinking Amon's pretty much got the right idea? Bending is useful, yes, but it creates a divide between people that cannot be fixed. Effectively, bending creates a higher class of people. Why hire normal people to do a job when benders will do it better?
No one cared during the war because the existence of benders meant normal people could just live their lives and chill because the benders could defend them. But when there's no war, there's just resentment.
If Superman ran out of bad people to protect and wanted to just settle down and raise a family or something and decided to go get a job, he would do literally EVERYTHING better than normal people. Noe imagine one in every twenty people is a bender.
How it's Made: Amon.
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The Last Airbender Megathread V. r/thelastairbender
[QUOTE=Zinayzen;36326780]Am I wrong in thinking Amon's pretty much got the right idea? Bending is useful, yes, but it creates a divide between people that cannot be fixed. Effectively, bending creates a higher class of people. Why hire normal people to do a job when benders will do it better?
No one cared during the war because the existence of benders meant normal people could just live their lives and chill because the benders could defend them. But when there's no war, there's just resentment.
If Superman ran out of bad people to protect and wanted to just settle down and raise a family or something and decided to go get a job, he would do literally EVERYTHING better than normal people. Noe imagine one in every twenty people is a bender.[/QUOTE]
Yeah sure bending will be gone, but what do you think will happen after that? Later on(100 years) people will find out new ways to improve in a technologically way and they will be the new higher class.
Think Deus Ex:HR,
people get augments so they can get a better life. But wouldn't that make them the higher class now? People would start protesting and it would start all over again just like in Avatar...
[QUOTE=doomevil;36327184]Think Deus Ex:HR[/QUOTE]
I've been meaning to draw Adam Jensen as a metalbender for a while now. I wonder, could a metalbender with prosthetic arms 'bend' their arms into normal movement?
[QUOTE=Zinayzen;36326780]Am I wrong in thinking Amon's pretty much got the right idea? Bending is useful, yes, but it creates a divide between people that cannot be fixed. Effectively, bending creates a higher class of people. Why hire normal people to do a job when benders will do it better?
No one cared during the war because the existence of benders meant normal people could just live their lives and chill because the benders could defend them. But when there's no war, there's just resentment.
If Superman ran out of bad people to protect and wanted to just settle down and raise a family or something and decided to go get a job, he would do literally EVERYTHING better than normal people. Noe imagine one in every twenty people is a bender.[/QUOTE]
Exterminating people because they do things better than others is a terrible idea.
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You just can't go wrong making these videos.
I laugh every time you post one.
[QUOTE=Zinayzen;36326780]Am I wrong in thinking Amon's pretty much got the right idea? Bending is useful, yes, but it creates a divide between people that cannot be fixed. Effectively, bending creates a higher class of people. Why hire normal people to do a job when benders will do it better?
No one cared during the war because the existence of benders meant normal people could just live their lives and chill because the benders could defend them. But when there's no war, there's just resentment.
If Superman ran out of bad people to protect and wanted to just settle down and raise a family or something and decided to go get a job, he would do literally EVERYTHING better than normal people. Noe imagine one in every twenty people is a bender.[/QUOTE]
I'd only agree if losing your bending made you as awesome as Amon. But it doesn't, it just seems to make you tired and depressed.
Plus "Let's make everyone else as shit as me!" has never been an appealing arguement to me.
[QUOTE=Inufin;36327599];___;
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I cry every time
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I drew this. I was going to make a comic but I had troubles concentrating since I have such a short attention sp-
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[QUOTE=Janus Vesta;36327556]I'd only agree if losing your bending made you as awesome as Amon. But it doesn't, it just seems to make you tired and depressed.
Plus "Let's make everyone else as shit as me!" has never been an appealing arguement to me.[/QUOTE]
It's not about making everyone shitty, it's about equality. Benders and non-Benders are not on an equal playing field. Period. Benders will always have the advantage because of their bending.
It makes them tired and depressed because they can't do things the easy way anymore, they have to actually work like everyone else.
Korra's the bad guy, almost. She's not protecting the people or spreading harmony. Amon's the one working for equality.
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Based on what we've seen of republic city, I'm assuming it's a caste system. The non-benders, besides being the largest group by far, has no representation in the council, while there are two water tribe representatives as well as Tenzin, who speaks for his family and his island. Big deal.
Amon's p chill. The only people he's removed the bending from (so far) were criminals (zolt & tarlokk) or the police (who were a threat). I'm not saying he's perfect or whatever, but I'm pretty sure he's got the right idea.
[QUOTE=Zinayzen;36328177]It's not about making everyone shitty, it's about equality. Benders and non-Benders are not on an equal playing field. Period. Benders will always have the advantage because of their bending.
It makes them tired and depressed because they can't do things the easy way anymore, they have to actually work like everyone else.
Korra's the bad guy, almost. She's not protecting the people or spreading harmony. Amon's the one working for equality.[/QUOTE]
People are better than other people. There is someone better than you at everything you will ever do. You don't make it fair by eliminating their advantage, that is what a bad guy would do.
That is like eliminating black slavery by using white slaves aswell.
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[QUOTE=Zinayzen;36328177]
Based on what we've seen of republic city, I'm assuming it's a caste system. The non-benders, besides being the largest group by far, has no representation in the council, while there are two water tribe representatives as well as Tenzin, who speaks for his family and his island. Big deal.
Amon's p chill. The only people he's removed the bending from (so far) were criminals (zolt & tarlokk) or the police (who were a threat). I'm not saying he's perfect or whatever, but I'm pretty sure he's got the right idea.[/QUOTE]
Have we actually seen the other members of the council bending. Couldn't they just be wearing the clothes of their people like the air acolyte who was on the council back during that trial?
[QUOTE=squids_eye;36328387]People are better than other people. There is someone better than you at everything you will ever do. You don't make it fair by eliminating their advantage, that is what a bad guy would do.
That is like eliminating black slavery by using white slaves aswell.
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Have we actually seen the other members of the council bending. Couldn't they just be wearing the clothes of their people like the air acolyte who was on the council back during that trial?[/QUOTE]
...no, it's like eliminating slavery by not using slaves of either race and putting them on equal ground.
There's a difference between someone having an innate advantage and someone who worked for it. Benders have a (genetic?) advantage that they did not work for in the slightest. Which is how caste systems work.
The solution is to give everyone bending.
And then make fighting tournaments with the best of these people.
[QUOTE=Yahnich;36328477]sokka was the southern tribe representative and ATLA made it damn clear he can't bend worth shit[/QUOTE]
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Managed to make Amon into Jack of Blades from Fable. Was bored so i thought i would make this.
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[QUOTE=squids_eye;36328387]People are better than other people. There is someone better than you at everything you will ever do. You don't make it fair by eliminating their advantage, that is what a bad guy would do.
That is like eliminating black slavery by using white slaves aswell.[/QUOTE]
Just reread this. Are you saying white people are better at everything black people will ever do and they have an advantage? And eliminating that advantage is what a bad guy would do?
holy shit that's racist yo
[QUOTE=Zinayzen;36328526]...no, it's like eliminating slavery by not using slaves of either race and putting them on equal ground.
There's a difference between someone having an innate advantage and someone who worked for it. Benders have a (genetic?) advantage that they did not work for in the slightest. Which is how caste systems work.[/QUOTE]
Except it is not because in both situations, one side is no different and the other loses out instead of either side gaining anything.
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[QUOTE=Zinayzen;36328783]Just reread this. Are you saying white people are better at everything black people will ever do and they have an advantage? And eliminating that advantage is what a bad guy would do?
holy shit that's racist yo[/QUOTE]
It was an example with a lack of rights instead of a lack of physical ability. You correct it by giving them the same rights not removing them from the people who are better off. In this case you should give non benders the same abilities, not take abilities away from benders.
[QUOTE=squids_eye;36328791]Except it is not because in both situations, one side is no different and the other loses out instead of either side gaining anything.[/QUOTE]
I'm not entirely sure I understand what bizarre point you're trying to make. It's only fair if both parties gain something?
bro if we're talking about slavery it's only fair when both sides are equal. the reason we went with neither party being slaves instead of both is because:
A: that's hilariously retarded
B: equality yo. by definition you can't be equal if you're owned as property
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[QUOTE=squids_eye;36328791]It was an example with a lack of rights instead of a lack of physical ability. You correct it by giving them the same rights not removing them from the people who are better off. In this case you should give non benders the same abilities, not take abilities away from benders.[/QUOTE]
You can't give non-benders the ability to bend. So the only way to make it equal is by removing the ability to bend from benders. Then everyone's on the same page.
[QUOTE=Zinayzen;36328830]I'm not entirely sure I understand what bizarre point you're trying to make. It's only fair if both parties gain something?
bro if we're talking about slavery it's only fair when both sides are equal. the reason we went with neither party being slaves instead of both is because:
A: that's hilariously retarded
B: equality yo. by definition you can't be equal if you're owned as property
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You can't give non-benders the ability to bend. So the only way to make it equal is by removing the ability to bend from benders. Then everyone's on the same page.[/QUOTE]
You give non-benders the same abilities using technology like the equalists are doing. That part of the rebellion is perfectly fine, taking peoples bending away isn't fine.
[QUOTE=squids_eye;36328913]You give non-benders the same abilities using technology like the equalists are doing. That part of the rebellion is perfectly fine, taking peoples bending away isn't fine.[/QUOTE]
I can't help but feel that you're not getting my point.
[QUOTE=Zinayzen;36328951]I can't help but feel that you're not getting my point.[/QUOTE]
I don't think you are getting mine either.
[QUOTE=squids_eye;36329023]I don't think you are getting mine either.[/QUOTE]
Your point is that the Equalists shouldn't be tryin to take bending away because that's lowering the bar until it's equal. Instead, they should...magically gain bending powers, apparently.
My point is that they can't just become benders, and society's basically ruled by benders, shunting those who can't bend into a weird lower-class scenario. Amon's fighting for the common man, albeit in a questionable (but probably the only way that would work) manner, by taking their bending away and making everyone equal.
Republic City was built on the notion that there would always be a hero there, which is ultimately flawed from the start.
[QUOTE=Zinayzen;36329085]Your point is that the Equalists shouldn't be tryin to take bending away because that's lowering the bar until it's equal. Instead, they should...magically gain bending powers, apparently.
My point is that they can't just become benders, and society's basically ruled by benders, shunting those who can't bend into a weird lower-class scenario. Amon's fighting for the common man, albeit in a questionable (but probably the only way that would work) manner, by taking their bending away and making everyone equal.
Republic City was built on the notion that there would always be a hero there, which is ultimately flawed from the start.[/QUOTE]
Obviously they can't get bending powers but they could invent equivilents. Infact that is basically one of the main themes of this series and how the equalists can even combat benders to begin with.
Also where has this non-bending lower class been shown? The two biggest companies we have seen are both owned by rich non-benders. Infact Mako and Bolin are benders but they are also homeless, not exactly high class living.
So from the Promise Part 2 is [sp]Suki gonna leave Sokka for Zuko or is she really just that caring about everyone and if that happens what happens to Sokka[/sp]
[QUOTE=t h e;36329290]So from the Promise Part 2 is [sp]Suki gonna leave Sokka for Zuko or is she really just that caring about everyone and if that happens what happens to Sokka[/sp][/QUOTE]
Man I still need to get that. And by that I mean download it.
I'd say Tokka but that ship still bugs me. Toph as a single mom works for me.
[QUOTE=t h e;36329290]So from the Promise Part 2 is [sp]Suki gonna leave Sokka for Zuko or is she really just that caring about everyone and if that happens what happens to Sokka[/sp][/QUOTE]
I thought there was some sketch from a storyboard floating around that showed [sp]an older Zuko with Mai and his daughter[/sp], but I can't find it right now.
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