• Merry Christmas or Happy Holidays? Political Correctness Run A muck
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[QUOTE=TestECull;33762814]I make it a point to wish anyone who says "Happy Holidays" a merry christmas instead. Nine times out of ten their face turns red faster than a red light between you and something your late for.[/QUOTE] Sounds like you're trying to be an arse to them. Maybe not do that? Personally I don't care if someone says happy hanukkah to me, I won't be offended at all. With this I warrant I can say it to anyone else too.
[video=youtube;nUKku3MhCPs]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nUKku3MhCPs[/video] It works. [editline]17th December 2011[/editline] I tend to say Merry Christmas, but I have yet to meet somebody who gets pissed over me saying it.
Frankly I think it's a idiotic and lazy issue no one should be concerned with. It's heavily affiliated with tradition and religion, both which are loaded with highly volatile ingredients.
[QUOTE=AK'z;33756975]You don't have a British accent, so no, I won't say "Hehpy Hawledays".[/QUOTE] I have never heard a British person that sounds anything like that. You are exaggerating, and wrong. That is not how a British accent sounds, and you are being foolish.
Holidays is used to celebrate the Pastafarian holiday, Holiday. Happy Holidays, may you be touched by his noodly appendage.
No one gets upset if you say "Merry Christmas." The only people who make any form of deal about the issue is the people who made this "rule." The simple sentence "I don't celebrate it, but I appreciate your wishes, and wish the same to you!" solves all of our problems.
So my Christmas tree is just a holiday tree? Okay, so that's an everyday rag-hat and a seven day candle holder. This can go both ways.
So many uninformed people. Corporations say happy holidays to address the wide range of celebrations. It is a marketing decision. Oh and here's another fun fact: the war on Christmas? Fabricated. A few lawsuits over nativities and public institutions understandably avoiding religion and the media flocks. And everyone assumes the "holidays" is a result of this. But it's not. As a matter of fact, saying happy holidays ellicits more ridiculous reactions than saying Christmas. [URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christmas_controversy#Retailer_controversies"]Here [/URL]you will find that the "American Family Association", a Christian group, protests every company that so much as mentions "holiday" as opposed to catering to their personal beliefs. They even got upset because one company which, while listing a large variety of winter holidays, mention Solstice, the Pagan one (which ironically, Christmas basically is). Now, scan through that page and tell me with a straight face that the war is really on Christmas. The truth that you won't find in the sea of ignorance that the media perpetuates is that it is a war [I]by[/I] Christmas. The media complains, people complain, hell you even made a whole thread about it. Yet, how often do you really hear anyone in person complain that someone said "Christmas"? Almost never. Christians have fabricated an enemy and spread it to the ignorant. It's just another big piece of propoganda so the Christmas season can bring us all together by hating on the heathens. [URL="http://www.todayifoundout.com/index.php/2011/12/the-x-in-xmas-doesnt-take-the-christ-out-of-christmas/"]Also on a side note, the X in X-mas still means Christ.[/URL]
[QUOTE=ThatIrishSOB;33739238]'Tis the season for caroling, decorations, and political correctness. This Christmas we have the new holiday tree! See here: [url]http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/rhode-island-gov-lincoln-chafee-holiday-tree-remark-angers-thousands-roman-catholic-church-article-1.987823[/url] I don't own a holiday tree but I own a Christmas Tree! :) So here is my debate. Political correctness has overrun Christmas this year. I can't watch a show without being wished a happy holidays or watching a commercial about a holiday tree. The name of the NATIONAL U.S. HOLIDAY is CHRISTMAS! NOT HOLIDAY! I don't care if you have Hanukkah or Kwanzaa or whatever, the name of the holiday is Christmas! You know, the celebration of Jesus Christ being born? The holiday that celebrates Jesus? Obviously not too many people have heard of it. You can say Merry Christmas, it's understood what day it is. You don't have to say Happy Holidays! Even if you're an atheist you can just celebrate Christmas as "a day of giving" or something, [b]but don't force everyone into you're beliefs by attacking anyone who says Merry Christmas.[/b][/QUOTE] Same could be said about you. Don't force everyone into your beliefs by attacking anyone who says Merry Christmas. Actually it applies to you to a much bigger degree, because nobody saying "Happy Holidays" are attacking people saying Merry Christmas, they are simply including more people and religions, while you instantly go on the hate rage against Happy Holidays. And the thing about Jesus as well, is quite funny, because back in the day the celebration was actually Yule, which was a celebration of the winter solstice, and Jesus' birth was actually moved to coincide with it. Source: [url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yule[/url] Here in Norway, Sweden and Denmark, the whole celebration and period is still called Jul.
People are still upset about this shit? What kind of over-privileged, mouth-breathing fuckwit thinks he/she is being persecuted over two goddamn words?
I don't give a fuck what you say, If you say merry christmas or Happy holidays both are associated with goodwill and for that I shall celebrate with you, I do not give a fuck of your nationality or religion, if you wish to celebrate the goodwill then I shall join you.
I hate this "political correctness", it's just abandoning your own culture and indentity.
Depends on which language I'm talking. Like other people already said in Scandinavia we don't really celebrate Christmas (as a Christian tradition), so I just say "happy Yule" to anyone here. In English however, I generally say "happy holidays" because of two reasons; firstly, I don't celebrate Christmas, I celebrate Yule. Secondly, I feel it's generally more appropriate because it acknowledges cultural differences within a society, and in a multi-cultural society mutual respect is important. I'm not saying anyone should get offended by someone saying "merry Christmas", as you probably have good intentions saying it anyway, but "happy holidays" is just more appropriate.
[QUOTE=oskutin;33989043]I hate this "political correctness", it's just abandoning your own culture and indentity.[/QUOTE] Why are culture and identity important?
Atheists should deal with hearing the word christ.
[QUOTE=supercopter;34000381]Atheists should deal with hearing the word christ.[/QUOTE] read the thread and watch your life turn around when you realize you have been manipulated into perpetuating a non-issue.
imo if you get offended by the mere mention of a religious festival you don't celebrate then you need to lighten the fuck up
What's weird is most of you guys are probably atheist and yet you support everyone throwing Christmas everywhere Now I don't really care what it's called, I celebrate it because it's a nice thing to do, but I don't have any strong belief behind it But, I can see where people are coming from. See it from their point of view: we're trying to treat everyone in the entire country, if said country is Christian, as Christians. Now clearly this isn't the case, but we're stuck in our ways and that's understandable. But as the population becomes more diverse and as religion slowly begins to fade, other views must be tolerated. It's like a modernization, if you will, and you best get used to it because unfortunately (or fortunately) it looks as though that is how the world will end up.
[QUOTE=Trumple;34001136]What's weird is most of you guys are probably atheist and yet you support everyone throwing Christmas everywhere[/QUOTE] Why is this weird at all. Half the stuff that happens during Christmas isn't even related to religion, and pretty much everyone celebrates Christmas, even though they're not religious, because it's tradition. Being Atheist doesn't immediately mean you hate all Christians and every Christian tradition either.
[QUOTE=Kung Fu Jew;33770726]I have never heard a British person that sounds anything like that. You are exaggerating, and wrong. That is not how a British accent sounds, and you are being foolish.[/QUOTE] Wow, I don't really care who is right and wrong here, but assuming you know more about British accents than a person who actually lives in Britain is pretty silly. [editline]2nd January 2012[/editline] On-topic, I don't really care what other people call it as long as they don't get pissy if I call it something different.
[QUOTE=supercopter;34000381]Atheists should deal with hearing the word christ.[/QUOTE] By this logic, it's just as fair for Jews to say 'Christians should deal with hearing the word hannukah' or for Atheists to say 'Christians should deal with hearing the phrase happy holidays'. It's just nonsense. Say what feels best, I can't be bothered to get upset over 'happy hannukah' or 'merry christmas'. For example, there's a Jewish family me and my mom had dinner with on one of the days of Hannukah, and we sat in for the traditions just fine. It's no problem.
I personally think it's a noble goal to avoid offending people, that's why I say "Merry Christmas" instead of "Happy Holidays", so I don't strike anyone's nerves concerning the whole "War on Christmas" malarkey.
[QUOTE=LCBADs;34006700]I personally think it's a noble goal to avoid offending people, that's why I say "Merry Christmas" instead of "Happy Holidays", so I don't strike anyone's nerves concerning the whole "War on Christmas" malarkey.[/QUOTE] But what if they're Jewish?
I am personally am open to both. If someone tells me to have a happy holiday, I just associate it with Christmas anyways. No one should push their beliefs either way.
I mostly wish everyone a happy Solstice since it's technically what they are celebrating.
[QUOTE=znk666;34010013]I mostly wish everyone a happy Solstice since it's technically what they are celebrating.[/QUOTE] don't let the AFA hear you say it
saying "i don't care what you celebrate, i'm calling it christmas" sounds pretty ignorant to me, and it's mostly the argument people use when they try to defy political correctness and saying "happy holidays"
I don't really care what people call it, but I do find it funny when commercials say happy holidays and then proceed to have a commercial completely associated with Christmas. What other holiday do people bring up without knowing whether that person actually celebrates it? For example, why don't atheists say happy holidays during Easter time? Also, ironically, the word holiday comes from the phrase 'holy day' which is still a Christian phrase.
Political correctness is a term invented by conservatives that allows them to demonise activists and anybody whose opinions they disagree with. Don't buy into the popular myth because all you're doing is letting a rich old white dude use more racial epithets.
Haha I didn't think there were really people who had strong opinions on this. I don't see why anyone should be offended when people say either one.
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