.בהצלחה, אחי
You're gonna need it.
Singapore has conscription because it needs a large standing army to keep itself from being wiped off the map and I don't see you complaining.
So does Israel, many times several nations have teamed up to take Israel down. Its a precaution, you can't exactly materialize thousands of soldiers on a moment's notice.
[QUOTE=zombojoe;28813726]Singapore has conscription because it needs a large standing army to keep itself from being wiped off the map and I don't see you complaining.
So does Israel, many times several nations have teamed up to take Israel down. Its a precaution, you can't exactly materialize thousands of soldiers on a moment's notice.[/QUOTE]
Doesn't justify the forced militarization of citizens
[QUOTE=Zeke129;28813771]Doesn't justify the forced militarization of citizens[/QUOTE]
Yes it does... you need your citizens to know how to fight, defend and follow orders.
Military conscription wouldn't be a bad thing in developed countries, especially where a huge amount of narcissism is brewing in young generations.
Behzlaha ahi.
I'm planning on either going to military intelligence, or going to the military project of studying a profession in the university (for instance, engineering), and then getting drafted to the IDF working at that profession.
Good luck stealing homes from the Gaza strip!
[QUOTE=JohnStamosFan;28803894]YES!
Lots of countries still draft people. Just because it isn't happening doesn't mean it came.
The US has a draft that you are required to sign up for at the age of 16, you hope it never happens, but it could.
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On a related note: Good luck OP. It's pretty cool. I would be okay with joining, you get to learn Krav Maga which is badass, and you might get issued a Tavor (I'm not sure if Artillery crews get them, or M4s, but still, there's a chance! The Tavor is badass.)[/QUOTE]
No Tavor, only M16, too bad, I like the Tavor.
[QUOTE=DogGunn;28813819]Yes it does... you need your citizens to know how to fight, defend and follow orders.
Military conscription wouldn't be a bad thing in developed countries, especially where a huge amount of narcissism is brewing in young generations.[/QUOTE]
Military doesn't do jack shit for narcissism, schools can though
[QUOTE=Zeke129;28519520]It baffles me that countries like Norway, Finland, and even Israel with such a good standard of living still adhere to something as archaic and societally damaging as conscription.[/QUOTE]
Don't forget America, we still have to sign up for the draft only none of us have been called to service in a fairly long time.
(You can be imprisoned if you don't sign up, i didn't know this until i was 21, i have until I'm 25 to comply or i can be arrested, lol)
[QUOTE=Zeke129;28812467]Mandatory volunteer work is still kind of silly but it's a much better option that conscription.[/QUOTE]
It's the same thing in my opinion. Force is force
[QUOTE=s0beit;28815105]Don't forget America, we still have to sign up for the draft only none of us have been called to service in a fairly long time.
(You can be imprisoned if you don't sign up, i didn't know this until i was 21, i have until I'm 25 to comply or i can be arrested, lol)[/quote]
Yeah, I knew America still did that but I didn't include you guys because actually conscripting people would be political suicide.
[QUOTE=s0beit;28815105]It's the same thing in my opinion. Force is force[/QUOTE]
Yeah, it's all pretty disagreeable to me but if a country [b]is[/b] going to do it then there definitely should be a non-military option.
[QUOTE=Zeke129;28815082]Military doesn't do jack shit for narcissism, schools can though[/QUOTE]
damn right they can. for starters they can stop pretending that every kid is a special little child. it is the root reason for the ever growing narcissism.
having a conscription into the military will help solve the narcissism problem, as you operate as a team, rather than by yourself, which requires respect and a sense of rank, which you must face up to, regardless of if you like it or not.
[QUOTE=BP's CEO;28809751]Is Israel your home country? That would suck if you are on vacation there and you get drafted..
Wait, why would you go on vacation to Israel[/QUOTE]
Only citizens get drafted.
[QUOTE=Zeke129;28815121]but if a country [b]is[/b] going to do it then there definitely should be a non-military option.[/QUOTE]
agreed
[QUOTE=DogGunn;28815125]damn right they can. for starters they can stop pretending that every kid is a special little child. it is the root reason for the ever growing narcissism.
having a conscription into the military will help solve the narcissism problem, as you operate as a team, rather than by yourself, which requires respect and a sense of rank, which you must face up to, regardless of if you like it or not.[/QUOTE]
I've met a couple soldiers who were hugely full of themselves. My cousin was in the army, I'll ask him what the attitude was of people around him when I get some time.
[QUOTE=Zeke129;28815141]I've met a couple soldiers who were hugely full of themselves.[/QUOTE]
i've met people in high positions who are really down to earth.
you can find outcasts to everything.
[QUOTE=ohadje;28813834]Behzlaha ahi.
I'm planning on either going to military intelligence, or going to the military project of studying a profession in the university (for instance, engineering), and then getting drafted to the IDF working at that profession.[/QUOTE]
I tried that too but I wasn't among the very best of the best. I mean, I passed all the minimum requirements, but if they needed say, 50 people, and 60 people passed, I was in the lowest 10.
[QUOTE=DogGunn;28815154]i've met people in high positions who are really down to earth.
you can find outcasts to everything.[/QUOTE]
Yeah there are always outliers but the military advertises itself as something to boost your confidence so it really doesn't sound like something that intends to combat narcissism
[QUOTE=Zeke129;28815168]Yeah there are always outliers but the military advertises itself as something to boost your confidence so it really doesn't sound like something that intends to combat narcissism[/QUOTE]
? I honestly have no idea what you mean by that. Confidence doesn't always equal narcissism. And regardless, a military that has it's ranks filled by conscripts certainly wouldn't have any reason to advertise. (yes you know what i mean)
i'm sure you've heard people say that they're grilled by their superiors, particularly when training. that certainly won't causes cases of narcissism. anyway narcissism is for another thread anyway.
I can imagine the military teaching you self-confidence and awareness of ability, but certainly not narcissism. Surely narcissism would lead to bravado, which would lead to dead soldiers?
[QUOTE=BagMinge104;28810410]Just try to remember that orders aren't the word of God, and if someone tells you to fire some rockets at Palestinians they are probably wrong and you should think twice about what you are doing.
Amnesty International Human Rights Report 2010 for Israel:
[url]http://www.amnesty.org/en/region/israel-occupied-palestinian-territories/report-2010[/url]
(just a hint, they didn't do too well.)[/QUOTE]
Yeah, except I'm probably going to just be one of the crew who operates the vehicle, and if we get order to fire, it'll be something like "fire on location X Y Z", and we just can't disobey that kind of order. We can only disobey if it's clear that the order is unlawful, for example, if some terrorists surrender and are captured, and your commanding officer tells you to shoot them even though they aren't of any threat to you, then you can disobey. But when the target is 40km away, you can't disobey. You can't tell if you're firing at a threat or not.
[QUOTE=DogGunn;28815203]? I honestly have no idea what you mean by that. Confidence doesn't always equal narcissism. And regardless, a military that has it's ranks filled by conscripts certainly wouldn't have any reason to advertise.[/QUOTE]
I'm pretty sure countries like Norway and Finland advertise their armed forces since they want people to pick that instead of the civilian option
[QUOTE=Zeke129;28815244]I'm pretty sure countries like Norway and Finland advertise their armed forces since they want people to pick that instead of the civilian option[/QUOTE]
probably, but advertising isn't an issue.
Dr_Funk summarised it perfectly.
Good luck OP, don't get killed.
Also is it true that after you have served in the army and if you go through Uni you have to stay in the country for a set number of years doing a job related to the degree you did there before you leave, the upside being that the country pays for all your uni fees?
[QUOTE=Zeke129;28815244]I'm pretty sure countries like Norway and Finland advertise their armed forces since they want people to pick that instead of the civilian option[/QUOTE]
I would say hardly. People taking the "civilian option" are sometimes treated as hippies though. Generally the stereotype is that if you are a "real man" you will go to the army.
בהצלחה,
I'm only in the 10th grade so I've got some time 'till I go to the army :v:
[QUOTE=Konakona940;28815463]Good luck OP, don't get killed.
Also is it true that after you have served in the army and if you go through Uni you have to stay in the country for a set number of years doing a job related to the degree you did there before you leave, the upside being that the country pays for all your uni fees?[/QUOTE]
Nope.
The IDF has this academic program called "Atuda". In "Atuda", people with excellent achievements are picked and allowed to study a profession in the university (for instance medicine or engineering), and all the fees are paid by the military. When they are done studying, they are drafted to the IDF for the amount of years they studied + the standart 3/2 years, working in the profession they studied. For instance, if you studied medicine for 4 years, you'll serve for 7 years (if you're male) or 6 (if female).
At least that's my understanding.. I might have misunderstood.
I was at the draft office a week ago, found fit, but drew a free-number, meaning that I wasn't required to serve.
I am planning to do it anyway, in the latter half of 2012, in the The Royal Life Guards, which means that I get to stand around and look goofy in a weird uniform:
[img]http://www.nipnet.dk/imgme/niels-dk_0516.jpg[/img]
[QUOTE=Strider_07;28809832]:raise: since when? Selective service isn't a draft, it's a database that you enter your name into in case we have to resort to a draft (we won't)
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Hmm, i guess that is true.
In my face!
[QUOTE=BP's CEO;28809751]Is Israel your home country? That would suck if you are on vacation there and you get drafted..
Wait, why would you go on vacation to Israel[/QUOTE]
legendary post
Do they pay tuition or anything? Are there actual benefits after serving the required term?
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