A little theory about the girl..
[sp]Maybe Hershel WAS keeping Sophia from the group because he knew their feelings on the walkers and felt that if they found her, even though it was the girl they were looking for, that they would kill her outright, and wanted to protect her from that. He knew that they saw walkers as inhuman, so they wouldn't show any sympathy for Sophia either. His motives could have been honest enough.[/sp]
[QUOTE=carcarcargo;33477031]That portal reference was so cliche nerd[/QUOTE]
"Yeah let's spark up some excitement among our gamer demographic."
[QUOTE=Pascall;33477063]A little theory about the girl..
[sp]Maybe Hershel WAS keeping Sophia from the group because he knew their feelings on the walkers and felt that if they found her, even though it was the girl they were looking for, that they would kill her outright, and wanted to protect her from that. He knew that they saw walkers as inhuman, so they wouldn't show any sympathy for Sophia either. His motives could have been honest enough.[/sp][/QUOTE]
That sounds the most likely IMO. It's not like the guy [sp]who wants to redeem the walkers[/sp] will just go [sp]"Hey, we have a little girl in our barn that I was secretive about."[/sp] Especially not since the group would be outraged.
[QUOTE=Zeraxify;33475533]she also didn't 'act out' any recoil, which made it worse[/QUOTE]
If my memory serves me correct, she's using a Beretta m9 a gun which doesn't have too much recoil to it. Now that doesn't excuse a lack of recoil, and I might also be wrong on the use and recoil of the M9.
[QUOTE=Sift;33474996]I want a youtube clip of them mowing down all the zombies.[/QUOTE]
Better yet, someone make a .gif of it.
Okay. This last episode blew my mind to bits.
[sp]When Sophia stepped out of that barn my jaw was through the freakin' floor. Did not expect that.[/sp]
That's why I love this series. Every episode is epic and leaves you wanting more.
[QUOTE=Cap'nSpacePants;33477532]If my memory serves me correct, she's using a Beretta m9 a gun which doesn't have too much recoil to it. Now that doesn't excuse a lack of recoil, and I might also be wrong on the use and recoil of the M9.
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i'm no gun nut, but i'm pretty sure a puny woman won't hold a m9 perfectly still while shooting it
Hey, use some spoiler tags there.
Also my best guess is [sp]Hershel (or Otis or whoever) found zombie Sophia, took her to the barn, then were hoping for a cure before anyone found out that she's in there.[/sp]
Hershel isn't a bad man, really. He just wants what's best and right (by his views).
I don't like how Dale is that character that many shows have where he knows absolutely everything by just looking at people
It gets to the point where it's not even slightly believable
[QUOTE=Meller Yeller;33477643]I don't like how Dale is that character that many shows have where he knows absolutely everything by just looking at people
It gets to the point where it's not even slightly believable[/QUOTE]
I disagree, his assumptions about Shane made sense, what with Shane's dramatic moment of not taking the scope of Rick when it was [i]clearly[/i] him that was making a noise in the woods. As soon as I saw that scene I knew it was foreshadowing something about him and his morals.
The slow-mo. headshot execution by shane pretty much regained all of my respect for him.
That was the most badass scene I've ever seen him in.
[QUOTE=carcarcargo;33477031]That portal reference was so cliche nerd[/QUOTE]
And so incredibly forced. Being lowered down into a well does NOT bring portal to mind for me.
I could have cracked up at that last bit, I remember every episode of the first season being like this, hopefully the second part of season 2 will be better.
Oh man now I'm sad that they are having a mid-season break. Loved the newest episode.
[QUOTE=gnome;33477736]I disagree, his assumptions about Shane made sense, what with Shane's dramatic moment of not taking the scope of Rick when it was [i]clearly[/i] him that was making a noise in the woods. As soon as I saw that scene I knew it was foreshadowing something about him and his morals.[/QUOTE]
It's not just that though. He does that with EVERYTHING.
He's already been able to tell two people had sex just by looking at their face.
Just saw the mid-season finale. I'm truly shocked that [sp]Rick shot Zombie Sophia[/sp]. But I guess that had to be done to finalize his character's transformation to the post-apocalyptic world.
[QUOTE=Meller Yeller;33479197]It's not just that though. He does that with EVERYTHING.
He's already been able to tell two people had sex just by looking at their face.[/QUOTE]
The man has lived a long time and has seen and done it all. That's how I see his character. Now all he has to do to occupy his time is people watch. He observes everything. When you think about it, none of the others(Rick's group) spends much time on anyone but themselves. So of course they don't know much beyond what they are personally involved with.
Plus, Dale spends a lot of time at camp. This means he gets to see who comes and goes, and what their mood is and so on. He has a front row seat to everything.
About Shane's rampage, I think he actually came out ahead of Rick in everyone's eyes. [sp]He lead the group into taking charge of the barn situation. He got everyone to shoot, it wasn't just Shane killing everything. Rick shot the kid, but I thought that was more of a "Oh shit, Shane's taking over, I need to look badass quick!" reaction by Rick. Too little too late.
I mean, Shane was leading them to get rid of the barn zombies and what was Rick doing? Bringing more frickin' zombies! What a dumbass. [/sp]
[QUOTE=cecilbdemodded;33479458]The man has lived a long time and has seen and done it all. That's how I see his character. Now all he has to do to occupy his time is people watch. He observes everything. When you think about it, none of the others(Rick's group) spends much time on anyone but themselves. So of course they don't know much beyond what they are personally involved with.
Plus, Dale spends a lot of time at camp. This means he gets to see who comes and goes, and what their mood is and so on. He has a front row seat to everything.
About Shane's rampage, I think he actually came out ahead of Rick in everyone's eyes. [sp]He lead the group into taking charge of the barn situation. He got everyone to shoot, it wasn't just Shane killing everything. Rick shot the kid, but I thought that was more of a "Oh shit, Shane's taking over, I need to look badass quick!" reaction by Rick. Too little too late.
I mean, Shane was leading them to get rid of the barn zombies and what was Rick doing? Bringing more frickin' zombies! What a dumbass. [/sp][/QUOTE]
[sp] I really dont see what everyones problem with the walkers was. Hershel believed that they could be cured and was (rather safely IMO) keeping them stored and fed. They were sealed up tight and not really bothering anyone. Then Shane and the others have a fucking freak attack on another guys property and shoot all of them. IMO Hershel and Rick were completely in the right. [/sp]
[QUOTE=cecilbdemodded;33479458]The man has lived a long time and has seen and done it all. That's how I see his character. Now all he has to do to occupy his time is people watch. He observes everything. When you think about it, none of the others(Rick's group) spends much time on anyone but themselves. So of course they don't know much beyond what they are personally involved with.
Plus, Dale spends a lot of time at camp. This means he gets to see who comes and goes, and what their mood is and so on. He has a front row seat to everything.
About Shane's rampage, I think he actually came out ahead of Rick in everyone's eyes. [sp]He lead the group into taking charge of the barn situation. He got everyone to shoot, it wasn't just Shane killing everything. Rick shot the kid, but I thought that was more of a "Oh shit, Shane's taking over, I need to look badass quick!" reaction by Rick. Too little too late.
I mean, Shane was leading them to get rid of the barn zombies and what was Rick doing? Bringing more frickin' zombies! What a dumbass. [/sp][/QUOTE]
I dont think rick [sp]was trying to look bad ass by killing sophia. The only reason he wasn't shooting was because he was hanging on to a zombie behind shane. When shane killed it then he went and shot sophia.[/sp] Also what rick was doing was just trying to get on herschels good side so they could [sp]live with his family so they can have a child. What shane did will most likely result in MANY problems in the next episodes with herschel being broke the way he was.[/sp]
If Hershel doesn't understand what the fuck Shane was trying to explain to him [sp]by shooting out the lungs, spleen and heart of a zombie to show that they are not living. Then he can be declared as the dumbest character to appear on the show[/sp]
[QUOTE=David Tennant;33472225]I'm starting to really like Shane, he's the no-nonsense protect the group at all costs person and gets things done[/QUOTE]
He definitely went over board with [sp]the zombie shed thing. I mean is it really worth getting kicked out over? They have people at watch at all hours so even if it broke open which is unlikely they could probably handle it. Building a brick wall around it or something would make much more sense.[/sp]
[QUOTE=imasillypiggy;33480367]He definitely went over board with [sp]the zombie shed thing. I mean is it really worth getting kicked out over? They have people at watch at all hours so even if it broke open which is unlikely they could probably handle it. Building a brick wall around it or something would make much more sense.[/sp][/QUOTE]
This is true and if I was Rick this is what I would have suggested as a compromise. However, remember Herschel was insisting that they leave- period. He was not open to ANY compromise since he did not want them to stay in the first place.
[QUOTE=Sunday_Roast;33480226]If Hershel doesn't understand what the fuck Shane was trying to explain to him [sp]by shooting out the lungs, spleen and heart of a zombie to show that they are not living. Then he can be declared as the dumbest character to appear on the show[/sp][/QUOTE]
Being a veterinarian, you would think he could comprehend the situation but I guess your emotions can cloud your judgement.
[QUOTE=cecilbdemodded;33480486]This is true and if I was Rick this is what I would have suggested as a compromise. However, remember Herschel was insisting that they leave- period. He was not open to ANY compromise since he did not want them to stay in the first place.[/QUOTE]
True, but Shane kind of jumped the gun. Hershel seemed to be willing to let them stay towards the end of the episode. He didn't say it, but he was acting that way. Then Shane went on and did what he did in a situation that was already working out. He's acting like having them in the barn where they know where they are and can watch them is somehow worse than leaving the camp and not knowing where the next walker could be. He seems to be unwilling to have them in confinement, but he's more than willing to go off of the farm to a place where they don't know where they will eat, or how safe they are.
Doesn't make sense to me.
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The only plus side i see to what Shane did is that they [sp]found Sophia, so they wouldn't have to risk looking for her anymore[/sp].
Episode 8 spoiler [sp]Looking at the cast list for episode 8 on IMDb there seems to be 2 other living humans. I guess they'll end up being hostile. http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1804272/fullcredits#cast[/sp]
[QUOTE=camaroni;33480530]Being a veterinarian, you would think he could comprehend the situation but I guess your emotions can cloud your judgement.[/QUOTE]
I think it's harder for him.
All Hershel saw of it all was that some sickness was spreading, and that people were getting infected.
Then his wife got infected, and his son. He kept them as best he could hoping someday to cure it.
It's a lot to take in all of the sudden to have some man just shoot all the people you had worked so hard to save, and show you how they can't be cured.
[QUOTE=JohnStamosFan;33480681]I think it's harder for him.
All Hershel saw of it all was that some sickness was spreading, and that people were getting infected.
Then his wife got infected, and his son. He kept them as best he could hoping someday to cure it.
It's a lot to take in all of the sudden to have some man just shoot all the people you had worked so hard to save, and show you how they can't be cured.[/QUOTE] The thing is they visited a scientist who explained how the infection works and it proves that they are dead. All curing them would do is kill them and Rick should have explained that to him.
[QUOTE=cecilbdemodded;33479458]The man has lived a long time and has seen and done it all. That's how I see his character. Now all he has to do to occupy his time is people watch. He observes everything. When you think about it, none of the others(Rick's group) spends much time on anyone but themselves. So of course they don't know much beyond what they are personally involved with.
Plus, Dale spends a lot of time at camp. This means he gets to see who comes and goes, and what their mood is and so on. He has a front row seat to everything.
About Shane's rampage, I think he actually came out ahead of Rick in everyone's eyes. [sp]He lead the group into taking charge of the barn situation. He got everyone to shoot, it wasn't just Shane killing everything. Rick shot the kid, but I thought that was more of a "Oh shit, Shane's taking over, I need to look badass quick!" reaction by Rick. Too little too late.
I mean, Shane was leading them to get rid of the barn zombies and what was Rick doing? Bringing more frickin' zombies! What a dumbass. [/sp][/QUOTE]
[sp]They shot because once Shane opened the barn door, they [i]had[/i] to shoot, that's why he was so intent on breaking the lock. They were left with no choice, there were way too many walkers to push back into the barn with neck harnesses, so once they were all roaming free Hershel didn't have much room to object, and everyone carrying a gun had to do something or let themselves and their friends be killed. As for Rick, he was just playing the peacemaker. He wasn't comfortable with the zombies being in the barn, but he was looking out for the group by trying to get Hershel to agree to let them stay on the farm. He didn't shoot until the end because he didn't exactly want it to be happening, and there was kind of already a firing line pointed at the doorway. Shooting Sophia was like a final statement about the group not being hypocritical about the whole "zombies aren't people" thing.[/sp]
[QUOTE=JohnStamosFan;33480605]True, but Shane kind of jumped the gun. Hershel seemed to be willing to let them stay towards the end of the episode. He didn't say it, but he was acting that way. Then Shane went on and did what he did in a situation that was already working out. He's acting like having them in the barn where they know where they are and can watch them is somehow worse than leaving the camp and not knowing where the next walker could be. He seems to be unwilling to have them in confinement, but he's more than willing to go off of the farm to a place where they don't know where they will eat, or how safe they are.
Doesn't make sense to me.
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The only plus side i see to what Shane did is that they [sp]found Sophia, so they wouldn't have to risk looking for her anymore[/sp].[/QUOTE]
Shane had no way of knowing what deal Herschel and Rick made. Not only that, but Herschel wasn't allowing them to be armed, so they couldn't defend themselves in the event of a breakout. So actually Shane was doing the right thing. AND Shane suggested leaving, as in respecting Herschel's wishes and leaving the barn alone and just moving on, Rick canceled that idea. It's hard to believe, but Shane was completely reasonable and making every effort to do right by everyone for once.
Herschel really brought this on himself.
Finally got to watch episode 7.
Damn.
[B][I]DAMN.[/I][/B]
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