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[QUOTE=Rusty100;26381265]this show has shockingly little characterization, especially considering how much focus there is on the characters [editline]30th November 2010[/editline] like, they don't really seem to have all that distinct personalities. [editline]30th November 2010[/editline] all the characters feel very flat, i feel like it really tries to give them life, but in trying to hard it falls so short[/QUOTE] I realize that they don't have much time to work with but I have to agree with this to an extent. For example, they made a big deal about the Mexican family leaving and I was kind of like "lol who the fuck are you guys anyway? You've said maybe 3 things throughout the season." but the characters that are still alive I feel have pretty deep and well done characters.

[QUOTE=Teh Iron Man;26395612]When [sp] her sister comes back and tries grabbing at her and her sister somehow intreprets that as "amy" being there and understanding what she is saying[/sp] I wanted to fucking shoot her.[/QUOTE] I actually felt that (yeah I understand that she's a zombie that's still taking the effect in) the whole time that was happening I was saying to myself "kill the bitch you idiot"

I know this was probably answered a bunch of times but I don't wanna risk accidentally coming across a spoiler while looking for a link for the latest episode. But can anyone pm me a link to where I can watch the latest episode? I missed it sunday and its encore.

Just started watching this (finally) tonight. Currently very addicted and watching the 3rd episode in a row.

[QUOTE=Pops;26379653][sp]the next week thing on tv they showed looks more like a flashback or security camera recording rather than the center being overrun. most likely, the scientist will tell them what he can through what the CDC has already, but obviously we won't learn the origin, more likely that's how rick will come to determine that they are the walking dead and that bites aren't the only way to reanimate. also, the gated community is where they meet tyrese, so unless the writers are scrapping those characters (bad idea), then it's definitely still in. also, the prison is supposed to be in at the last episode of season 2, so there would still be plenty of time for the gated community, herschel's farm (how do you spell that guy's name), and getting to the prison.[/sp][/QUOTE] [sp] Actually, Tyrese and his daughter + her insane lover get found a little before they enter the community while they're still out on the road, so they could cut out the community and still keep him in. [/sp]

Amy's death was the only thing to piss me off so far. I didn't feel any connection with her and it was dragged out for about 30 minutes. I know it was to try and make you feel emotional but honestly I was more emotional at the 5 minute dumping of Jim. Fucking Amy and her bi-polar sister can both go and die. Wasted half the episode.

Amy's purpose isn't for the viewer to feel sorry for or connect with her, but to shape and torment Andrea throughout the show. You'll see.

Darnit, I liked Jim :(

[QUOTE=cephalopoid;26391161]I'm not sure which characters you're talking about. I already see Rick, Lori, Shane, Dale (Old Dude with Hat), Glenn, Carol (Shaved Hair Woman), Blonde Sister, Merle, Daryl, to name a few, as being pretty deep. Merle can seem racist and a bigot and a womanizer, but we see through his actions that he's got a very strong will to survive. He also is very religious, as seen through his comments on the roof. Daryl, his brother, seems very round. We first meet him as a hunter, providing food for the rest of the group, which means that although it's family first for him, and although he is impulsive, he does have common sense and he does sorta care . . . even if he doesn't want to. Carol has only been on screen a few times, but we see her as being very round, trapped in an abusive loveless relationship, and her catharsis after the attack speaks volumes about her ethos. Dale has known loss. He seems like the father figure, forever vigilant yet forgiving and nurturing. He also seems very fair and the most rational of the group. I think it's doing a great job of characterization, given how many characters there are. Hell, I see less round characters in a traditional nightly drama that deal with fewer characters than I do with this one. Maybe you could give specific examples of why you think the characters are flat? [editline]29th November 2010[/editline] When was the last time, on a TV SHOW, that you saw bits of brain matter splatter on the camera? Do you even know what special effects are? Do you even know what "sci-fi" is???[/QUOTE] haha you just described exactly what i am talking about. the most you can write about them is to summarise the most obvious personality traits like 'caring mother' or 'will to survive' or just describing their current situation this is NOT deep. your post was incredibly shallow, which really drives my point further. they just seem like cardboard people who can only be described by their current circumstances and not their inner selves. like, if you had to actually do a legitimate analysis of the characters, you wouldn't get very far at all, unlike in other movies and shows where you could write one or two pages per character.

To be honest, I'm completely fine with flat characters in this particular series. I dont want them to waste entire episodes on building up personalties and filling in personal history of each and every character. In fact, if they actually did that I'm not quite sure if I would like the series as much as I do right now.

im not saying the show is bad because of it. it's just a part of the show that falls short. i still really enjoy it. [editline]30th November 2010[/editline] [QUOTE=Melnek;26402779]To be honest, I'm completely fine with flat characters in this particular series. I dont want them to waste entire episodes on building up personalties and filling in personal history of each and every character. In fact, if they actually did that I'm not quite sure if I would like the series as much as I do right now.[/QUOTE] the point is that if the writers were more talented they'd be able to work more little things in that compound over episodes into better character portraits and deeper personalities and would not detract from the storyline at all as it stands though, they put too much focus on the characters without actually succeeding in bringing life to them.

[QUOTE=SeneorGoat;26390471]$20 says they [sp]will never even get to the prison, gun training, carl killing someone or anything else from the fucking comic[/sp][/QUOTE] $20 says you should gtfo.

[QUOTE=Melnek;26391223]To be honest, the only thing I didnt like throughout the ENTIRE miniseries so far is the over stretching and dragging of [sp]Amy's death and the aftermath where her sister mourned that shit for a whole of 25 minutes combined from 2 episodes.[/sp]. I understand why they did it, I guess I just wanted them to move on with the storyline a bit, maybe go back to explore abandoned cities and houses.[/QUOTE] Honestly when [sp] Amy re-animated i thought her sister wouldn't be careful enough and she'd be bitten[/sp] :ohdear: my first time using the [sp] :h:

I never got why in zombie related things, the military always gets fucked over. Also, I felt bad for that guy that they [sp]Left behind[/sp]

Comics much cheaper on ipad than in store getting tonight

Ok. Holy shit. The latest ep was the best so far (short of the first which will ALWAYS be too awesome). I don't care if they're diverting away from the comic, really I don't. [editline]1st December 2010[/editline] [QUOTE=PaChIrA;26405141]I never got why in zombie related things, the military always gets fucked over. Also, I felt bad for that guy that they [sp]Left behind[/sp][/QUOTE] [sp]They leave him behind him in the comic, it was very sad when he was talking about wanting to see his family again.[/sp]

Anyone else think that when the lab guy mentioned he needed fresh samples, that they'd end up going back for the dead guy?

[QUOTE=Rusty100;26402823] as it stands though, they put too much focus on the characters without actually succeeding in bringing life to them.[/QUOTE] THIS. They spend half the episode in the camp focusing on characters and yet nothing much is being developed.

I just hated the last episode because they built up so much tension between the characters and then threw it out to put the survivors on the move. D:

At least it's a shoe in for season 2 :keke:

[QUOTE=PaChIrA;26405141]I never got why in zombie related things, the military always gets fucked over.[/QUOTE] Soldiers not going AWOL, hordes just overrunning the base, commanders being killed or civilians getting in the way, some stupid shit. Let's look at 28 Days Later for examples. The soldiers are promised women, and kill the men that try to stop them. As a result, Jim lets the infected soldier loose, using him to kill off the soldiers and escape with the women before they are raped. So it's a good possibility something similar happens here in TWD. Also, in a bunch of the Living Dead spin-offs, the military is usually the cause for zombies in the first place, as a biological weapon test gone wrong that makes the dead reanimate. In Revenge of the Living Dead I believe, the military just nukes the town to destroy all evidence of the test subjects. So the military isn't always fucked over, but shit does always hit the fan.

Eh... I mean the military always sucks in these things.

[QUOTE=Pops;26410227]Soldiers not going AWOL, hordes just overrunning the base, commanders being killed or civilians getting in the way, some stupid shit. Let's look at 28 Days Later for examples. The soldiers are promised women, and kill the men that try to stop them. As a result, Jim lets the infected soldier loose, using him to kill off the soldiers and escape with the women before they are raped. So it's a good possibility something similar happens here in TWD. Also, in a bunch of the Living Dead spin-offs, the military is usually the cause for zombies in the first place, as a biological weapon test gone wrong that makes the dead reanimate. In Revenge of the Living Dead I believe, the military just nukes the town to destroy all evidence of the test subjects. So the military isn't always fucked over, but shit does always hit the fan.[/QUOTE] It was Return of the Living Dead. And nuking the city caused the chemical to evaporate, eventually raining over the whole continent. Yeah.

Wish: In the comic we still don't know what caused the outbreak, I hope they don't explain it next episode just to satisfy people going "Why is this happening" all the time. Flat characters; Some posters here say the characters are flat, perhaps, perhaps not, but for me who has been reading the comic I find it hard to see, 'cause I understand where the character is going, coming from and others, choices they make. Personally I think their isn't much to see because the series is starting, where still somewhat in the introduction. Series not like the Comic Episode 5 they go to the CDC, I still think they will eventually get to the prison, I don't mind the extra stuff, all the main key events are happening, maybe not exactly like the comic, but they are happening. So I little different twist can be good. Dying Characters **** dead and her **** moping for 25 minutes was a pain to watch, but hopefully it's just because it's all new to them, this zombie stuff, and their still getting used to it..... I feel like the last episode was Filler, but hopefully they wont do that to often.

spoiler warning Loved the last episode. I think their take on infection and people's reaction to it was phenomenal. The sisters' gunshot farewell was my favorite part. The whole time I was expecting her to pull a "get eaten because I can't let go" bullshit move, and when she said goodbye and pulled the trigger it completely reformed my impression of her. Great buildup of suspense ending in a meaningful climactic event. Character development!

When does the next season start? 6 episodes is brutal.

Six months would be the best case scenario, probably.

It starts in October...doesn't anyone read?

[QUOTE=Rusty100;26402484]haha you just described exactly what i am talking about. the most you can write about them is to summarise the most obvious personality traits like 'caring mother' or 'will to survive' or just describing their current situation this is NOT deep. your post was incredibly shallow, which really drives my point further. they just seem like cardboard people who can only be described by their current circumstances and not their inner selves. like, if you had to actually do a legitimate analysis of the characters, you wouldn't get very far at all, unlike in other movies and shows where you could write one or two pages per character.[/QUOTE] Negating my post without doing any analysis or proving your own point does not make your opinion valid, and happens to make your post as shallow, if not more shallow, than mine. But I digress, attacking the shallowness of your post is a fallacy I am not willing to commit. I merely did not do a deep analysis because frankly this is a video game board and I didn't want to spend a half an hour analyzing the characters. I do agree that some characters are flat; however, I would argue that the characters I mentioned are not flat, but round. I could analyze their dialogue, their actions, and how they are portrayed through camera angles and musical underscore, even their costuming (Dale wearing the "vacation" clothes and the binary opposition of Shane and Rick's clothing choices [Shane wearing black and Rick still wearing the Sheriff garb {notice I used the words "binary opposition"? Holy fuck, I must know what I'm talking about <and god damn, I'm 4 deep in parentheses, I must know advanced grammar kung-fu and shit>}]). Furthermore, I would argue that maybe they feel flat because we not even half way through their character arcs, meaning they feel a little flat because as characters they are "young" and "not fully developed" in their respective arcs. Obviously, as the plot progresses, I'd expect that some characters would become more round and some would remain flat, and even some previous minor characters might have a bigger role (I haven't read the comic book). At the end of the second season we shall see . . . I could be wrong and maybe some of the characters don't develop any more than they are . . . at that point we could say they are flat. However, in each episode the characters surprise me in unexpected ways . . . further evidence that they are round and growing more round. I invite you to argue my points, but please, don't waste my time with simply negating what I say without providing evidence and analysis.

[url=http://tv.ign.com/articles/113/1137550p1.html]Walking Dead Writing Staff Let Go[/url] [quote]The Walking Dead has gotten terrific ratings for AMC and a quick renewal, as it heads into its season finale this weekend. But now comes word of a curious overhaul behind the scenes. Deadline is reporting that executive producer Frank Darabont has let go of the show's entire writing staff, including his number 2, Charles H. Eglee (Dexter, The Shield). As Deadline notes, many shows have some writer changes in-between seasons, but it's unusual for such a major overhaul. In addition, Deadline says they hear Darabont wants to go forward into Season 2 without a set writing staff, instead assigning all scripts he doesn't write himself to freelancers. Deadline points out that Darabont fully wrote two episodes of the first season (and co-wrote or re-wrote the others) and that two of the others were written by non-staff writers, including Walking Dead comic book creator Robert Kirkman. They also note that Darabont would be using the same model employed by Torchwood, which has several writers working on episodes for the upcoming re-launch on Starz (including Buffy's Jane Espenson), but no full time writing staff. One hurdle for Darabont to do this however may come in the form of the Writer's Guild. Torchwood -- which just added another Buffy alum, Kelly Manners, as a producer -- is coproduced by the BBC, who got the okay from the Writer's Guild to continue with their UK template.[/quote] hmmmm, don't know what to think about this.