Kurzgesagt: Is the European Union Worth It Or Should We End It? - General

[QUOTE=RB33;52109817]Can you literally not read?[/QUOTE] hmmm i read that as low German contributions as in how little german culture has contributed anyway im gonna bugger off cuz im kinda grossed out by your nationalistic nonsense

[QUOTE=Saturn V;52109818]hmmm i read that as low German contributions as in how little german culture has contributed[/QUOTE] No, Low German is actually a thing. [url]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Low_German[/url] [QUOTE]Low German or Low Saxon is a West Germanic language spoken mainly in northern Germany and the eastern part of the Netherlands. It is descended from Old Saxon in its earliest form.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=RB33;52109803]If it pushes away local culture, then the answer is always yes. I'm grateful for the Low German contributions to our culture, but Low German itself is on the decline. As it's being considered just a dialect and not it's own regional language.[/QUOTE] Ok. What about Middle Eastern contributions to Swedish culture? Should they be removed too?

[QUOTE=RB33;52109727]You have kept making the theoretical argument that no ones cares and haven't left any possibility open that they might accept it voluntary. Was the argument to counteract that you thought I believed that everyone will always gladly accept what I want? I never believed and said that either, we have all just assumed each others stances at this point. And when did I ever argue for segregation, closed borders or whatever you're getting at now? If you're going to say that, you should have something to back it up.[/QUOTE] I have made no such argument I have never said "no one cares" You fundamentally cannot read apparently

[QUOTE=Big Bang;52109832]Ok. What about Middle Eastern contributions to Swedish culture? Should they be removed too?[/QUOTE] 5 or so words and 'kåldolmar'? I'm not well versed in what the Middle East has contributed to the western culture overall, but it has not contributed much in particular to Swedish culture. To answer your question, it depends. [editline]15th April 2017[/editline] [QUOTE=HumanAbyss;52109848]I have made no such argument I have never said "no one cares" You fundamentally cannot read apparently[/QUOTE] Sorry, if I thought you did an extension of Firgof Umbra's argument then. But you have failed to understand my points as well.

[QUOTE=RB33;52109859]5 or so words and 'kåldolmar'? I'm not well versed in what the Middle East has contributed to the western culture overall, but it has not contributed much in particular to Swedish.[/QUOTE] Rinkeby Swedish is one such contribution. Even smaller things that are nonetheless Middle Eastern or Turkish in origin like kebab pizza can be considered contributions. It seems like you only want to keep the culture that you like.

Not sure if this counts as culture but the Middle East absolutely did contribute to Western civilisation on a whole, with scientific advances such as say algebra, etc.

[QUOTE=RB33;52109559]Like I have said, it can be due that it's being forgotten, not by choice but by different priorites and changes. That's why we should remind people that it's here, come and take part while it still exist, before it's too late and you regret it. Other cases could be because of discrimination in the past, that have forcefully removed people's interest in it or be punished.[/QUOTE] Dude, the pathos here is unbearable. There are literally clubs for people who want to try out old cultures if they want. Like, dude, you're literally figuratively putting on a fedora and growing the beard on your neck whilest complaining about being in the wrong time. Please name some things that the EU has phased out you feel weren't a good idea

[QUOTE=RB33;52109859]5 or so words and 'kåldolmar'? I'm not well versed in what the Middle East has contributed to the western culture overall, but it has not contributed much in particular to Swedish culture. To answer your question, it depends. [editline]15th April 2017[/editline] Sorry, if I thought you did an extension of Firgof Umbra's argument then. But you have failed to understand my points as well.[/QUOTE] No I've fully understood your points. You have even failed to read mine because you keep conflating one user with another for whatever fucking reason. I fully, and I do mean fully, understand your argument. [editline]15th April 2017[/editline] You're literally ignorant as can be. HEMA, Historical European Martial Arts, which I am a practitioner of(Fledgling) is proof you have 0 idea of what you're talking about when you act like we want culture destroyed or forgotten. There is no destruction of history here. You're literally afraid of nothing. [editline]15th April 2017[/editline] Even Firgof's argument wasn't "NO ONE CARES" so I wish you would just fucking read what [B]anyone[/B] here says to you rather than replying to [B]absolutely no one[/B]

[QUOTE=RB33;52109772]Keep the parts of the EU that fights off threats to Europe, business regulation, preferably a united and strong foreign and environmental policy.[/QUOTE] And this requires the EU to be strong.

[QUOTE=gokiyono;52109876]Dude, the pathos here is unbearable. There are literally clubs for people who want to try out old cultures if they want. Like, dude, you're literally figuratively putting on a fedora and growing the beard on your neck whilest complaining about being in the wrong time. Please name some things that the EU has phased out you feel weren't a good idea[/QUOTE] I'm not going to name one thing since it's not my argument nor place to make a case for that. Ask someone who believes the EU is currently or have been phasing out stuff. [QUOTE=HumanAbyss;52109880]No I've fully understood your points. You have even failed to read mine because you keep conflating one user with another for whatever fucking reason. I fully, and I do mean fully, understand your argument. [editline]15th April 2017[/editline] You're literally ignorant as can be. HEMA, Historical European Martial Arts, which I am a practitioner of(Fledgling) is proof you have 0 idea of what you're talking about when you act like we want culture destroyed or forgotten. There is no destruction of history here. You're literally afraid of nothing. [editline]15th April 2017[/editline] Even Firgof's argument wasn't "NO ONE CARES" so I wish you would just fucking read what [B]anyone[/B] here says to you rather than replying to [B]absolutely no one[/B][/QUOTE] Exactly what you said here, is why I keep opposing you. [QUOTE]There is no destruction of history here. You're literally afraid of nothing.[/QUOTE] But there is, local culture and traditions are dying. You guys have been very clear that cultures inevitable change, so obviously this is true. People are stopping to take part in old things and they are forgotten. In a couple of decades more, the vast depth of dialects will gone or reduced to basic differences in sound (which they often are already). This a part of culture that is being destroyed and not enough is done to slow down its destruction.

[QUOTE=RB33;52109859]5 or so words and 'kåldolmar'? I'm not well versed in what the Middle East has contributed to the western culture overall, but it has not contributed much in particular to Swedish culture. To answer your question, it depends.[/QUOTE] What do you even define as a culture? I mean you specifically, because you seem to think that cultures shouldn't interact, when the entire swedish culture is made up of previous cultures interacting. Cultures interact and somehow you're against that? Do you think the current "swedish" culture is the most superior culture in the world and everybody should be like it or do you think that all cultures are equal or what? Do you care about swedish culture only or also about african and middle eastern culture - and if you do care about other cultures, why are you so against cultures mixing? [editline]16th April 2017[/editline] Because people in poorer parts of the world are not able to preserve their culture when they're starving and dying in disease, so you have to save the people before you save their culture, but then if you save the people I guess you're causing cultures to interact and therefor destroying them? I dunno, I'm trying to understand your reasoning.

[QUOTE=MrJazzy;52109918]And this requires the EU to be strong.[/QUOTE] Strong how? Centralized through a decreasingly democratic government or with more power to the member states and people. With greater transparency and accountability.

[QUOTE=RB33;52109947]Strong how? Centralized through a decreasingly democratic government or with more power to the member states and people. With greater transparency and accountability.[/QUOTE] Centralized in a way that they have power to stop countries like hungary from violating the UNHCR and countries like Greece to crash economically as they have. With greater transparency and accountability aswell.

[QUOTE=RB33;52109928]I'm not going to name one thing since it's not my argument nor place to make a case for that. Ask someone who believes the EU is currently or have been phasing out stuff. Exactly what you said here, is why I keep opposing you. But there is, local culture and traditions are dying. You guys have been very clear that cultures inevitable change, so obviously this is true. People are stopping to take part in old things and they are forgotten. In a couple of decades more, the vast depth of dialects will gone or reduced to basic differences in sound (which they often are already). This a part of culture that is being destroyed and not enough is done to slow down its destruction.[/QUOTE] Which is just part of how things are? Like fundamentally you're failing to understand the point [B]anyone[/B] has fucking made to you. What do you want to be done to slow it's "Destruction"? I go back to the example of my Father in the 40's. [B]SHOULD REFRIGERATED RAIL CARS HAVE BEEN BANNED AS THEY FACTUALLY CAUSED DESTRUCTION THAT YOU'RE SAYING NOT ENOUGH IS DONE TO MITIGATE[/B] Do you see the inherit natural contradiction in your bullshit now?

[QUOTE=MrJazzy;52109938]What do you even define as a culture? I mean you specifically, because you seem to think that cultures shouldn't interact, when the entire swedish culture is made up of previous cultures interacting. Cultures interact and somehow you're against that? Do you think the current "swedish" culture is the most superior culture in the world and everybody should be like it or do you think that all cultures are equal or what? Do you care about swedish culture only or also about african and middle eastern culture - and if you do care about other cultures, why are you so against cultures mixing? [editline]16th April 2017[/editline] Because people in poorer parts of the world are not able to preserve their culture when they're starving and dying in disease, so you have to save the people before you save their culture, but then if you save the people I guess you're causing cultures to interact and therefor destroying them? I dunno, I'm trying to understand your reasoning.[/QUOTE] I swear, I said everything that can be said at some point in this thread. Here it is, funny enough this was an earlier response to you: [QUOTE=RB33;52104937]I was talking about Europe, our culture is who we are. From our first words, social interactions through working life. What we do, how it's appropriate to act with others, what we like as entertainment (although, this has grown more individual over time). Why we celebrate Christmas every year, light a fire on Valborg and wave a flag for our country or culture. Without it, we lose much of who we are. That's why it's important.[/QUOTE] I think cultures should respect each other and never crackdown on parts of each other, unless it's actively harmful. Other than for being harmful, we are equal. I'm a great believer in equality, I would be a hypocrite if didn't apply this to culture as well. I don't get where you're going with that second part, we can't do foreign aid because foreigners are scary? [editline]16th April 2017[/editline] [QUOTE=HumanAbyss;52109971]Which is just part of how things are? Like fundamentally you're failing to understand the point [B]anyone[/B] has fucking made to you. What do you want to be done to slow it's "Destruction"? I go back to the example of my Father in the 40's. [B]SHOULD REFRIGERATED RAIL CARS HAVE BEEN BANNED AS THEY FACTUALLY CAUSED DESTRUCTION THAT YOU'RE SAYING NOT ENOUGH IS DONE TO MITIGATE[/B] Do you see the inherit natural contradiction in your bullshit now?[/QUOTE] And I still don't care, because I still want to do it. Why should it matter to you, for you to stop me, because you think it's inevitable? I have already refuted your argument twice, are you me expecting to come with a different answer? [B]It's not about traditions dependent on technology and we have to work around what technology does and not live technologically in the past for the third time, i'm saying this.[/B] Edit: Forgot to add NOT between and and live, big difference.

guys can we just stop feeding RB33 now it's just getting tedious and ridiculous

[img]https://i.gyazo.com/454e9f0af6674c91070e07b0141d09c6.png[/img] Do you have Borderline Personality Disorder RB33. You seem to have a need to always be right ie this thread and the "Don't call pregnant women 'expectant mothers' as it might offend transgender people, BMA says" thread.

[QUOTE=01271;52110596][img]https://i.gyazo.com/454e9f0af6674c91070e07b0141d09c6.png[/img] Do you have Borderline Personality Disorder RB33. You seem to have a need to always be right ie this thread and the "Don't call pregnant women 'expectant mothers' as it might offend transgender people, BMA says" thread.[/QUOTE] Do anyone want to be wrong and do they need to have personality disorders to stand by their beliefs. I don't know if you have gotten it yet, but it's an discussion based on subjective beliefs. There isn't an objective right in caring about culture, or do you think there is? I'm not "right" in this subjective discussion, there's mine and there are others beliefs regarding this topic. Yours are not worth less than mine but I may still disagree with them.

People have spent 10 pages(11 now) just trying to point out a simple fact like "You cannot save ancient culture without stopping the progress of time and further cultures". All you can do is preserve and remember it, and only one person even remotely argued somewhere in that vein. I mean I know I'm a pretty stubborn person from time to time, but it really wouldn't hurt for you to just take a few seconds and question some of the weird shit you've said so far.

[QUOTE=HumanAbyss;52111135]People have spent 10 pages(11 now) just trying to point out a simple fact like "You cannot save ancient culture without stopping the progress of time and further cultures". All you can do is preserve and remember it, and only one person even remotely argued somewhere in that vein. I mean I know I'm a pretty stubborn person from time to time, but it really wouldn't hurt for you to just take a few seconds and question some of the weird shit you've said so far.[/QUOTE] And why do you still think that I don't get it? What statement do you want me to make to make you see that I understand it? But maybe it's just better to leave it at "weird shit" and move on.