Kurzgesagt: Is the European Union Worth It Or Should We End It? - General

[QUOTE=Xubs;52099931]The "destruction" of lingual and dialect differences seems far more guided by information technology than anything the government ever did. The spread of instantaneous information is less efficient if not everyone can understand each other. That's why you right now are speaking English and not Swedish.[/QUOTE] By his logic that means he is practically British and so are we.

[QUOTE=Zukriuchen;52099950]what the fuck is even the point of this conversation you're essentially just copy pasting your earlier posts at this point, never addressing any of the relevant arguments people are bringing up. how is it someone so keen on keeping things ~interesting~ has such a one-note mentality?[/QUOTE] Okay, what points do you want me to address and I will do so right now. Sorry, I can get repetitive at times. [editline]13th April 2017[/editline] [QUOTE=Aredbomb;52099949]A fully homogenized culture is only possible in microstates, and even then it's not guaranteed. The bigger a country gets, the more its people will vary in terms of lifestyle, job opportunities, living conditions, and population density. Culture cannot be homogenized beyond that point without access to a literally infinite amount of resources, which nobody has.[/QUOTE] Of course, fully identical cultures will never happen but what i'm talking about is culture who are mostly the same, understandable to each other, due to all the shared culture. You can understand his speech, but probably not his interests or work. You may not know all the details of the traditions he adhere to, you still understand a large part of it. Because almost everything cultural will be shared, if society manage to progress that far. Education will play a large part of this, since that's were we learn most things. If we are taught most things of this unified culture, there won't be that much left out of it.

[QUOTE=RB33;52099911]Dialects were once their own cultures, until one of them got themselves an army and a country and declared itself a national language. The others have had to adapt to that, French regional languages are pretty dead, i've heard, Germany's are dying. Arabic displaced previous native language and became the new major language by the ruling powers. China is doing that now, i think.[/QUOTE] Have you ever tried to talk to a person who has such a vastly different dialect than your own? Even though you speak the same language, it's insanely difficult to understand them. So what is the problem?

[QUOTE=Xubs;52099931]The "destruction" of lingual and dialect differences seems far more guided by information technology than anything the government ever did. The spread of instantaneous information is less efficient if not everyone can understand each other. That's why you right now are speaking English and not Swedish.[/QUOTE] [url]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vergonha[/url] Not saying this [I]would[/I] happen, but government policies sure can be extremely damaging towards minority languages.

[QUOTE=gokiyono;52099993]Have you ever tried to talk to a person who has such a vastly different dialect than your own? Even though you speak the same language, it's insanely difficult to understand them. So what is the problem?[/QUOTE] If you have lingua franca or at least de facto, a standard dialect or something. There's no problem, I welcome the differences. I don't want it gone though. [editline]14th April 2017[/editline] [QUOTE=Xubs;52099999]No, there's nothing stopping anyone from trying, the thing is is that in a long timescale and across a wide enough number of people, that kind of cultural destruction is very hard (national level) if not impossible (global level) to pull off in a thorough and efficient manner long-term, and even then, once it is pulled off, give these people a long time to grow and new cultures will just pop up after enough time anyway. Even language continually evolves. For example, English itself is rapidly evolving even over measurable decades. Although some claim British English is Americanizing itself, American English itself is changing [I]extremely[/I] rapidly and diversifying at the same pace. Who is to say that British English and American English will even be mutually intelligible, given extremely long timescales? This can happen with any language and any dialect and is how new languages form. The same can happen to the native languages of these countries when we're talking at that kind of timescale. Nothing really garauntees that the pace we are rapidly setting ourselves toward is one that will last forever. Things can change rapidly -- and they do.[/QUOTE] Have you taken into account modern technology, which unites us (as right now) and keeps us together, so we can communicate? I think we can diversify but technology will bring us back together as we are all still connected to each other.

[QUOTE=RB33;52099966]Okay, what points do you want me to address and I will do so right now. Sorry, I can get repetitive at times.[/QUOTE] Well, there was my post talking about how we've lost a shitton of different cultural aspects over the years already, yet these new losses are arbitrarily worse in your mind. Why? I know you've said "there's a difference between going from 1000 cultures to 100 and from 100 to 50 and even fewer", but this is still entirely arbitrary. I don't see that difference. Can future man Joe, who will be born 300 years from now, not be just as proud of an entirely unified culture as you are of yours? Why's that unification not an achievement to be celebrated? Why is one cultural development better than another? Why are our current advances worth less than the "hundreds of years" that came before us? Then there's the question of whether or not this unification will even happen on the scale you suggest, and the answer from everyone here seems to be a resounding "no". Yet you're still parading it around as fact. Why? Advances in technology and communication may very well make different cultures more similar. But don't those exact same advances make [I]preserving[/I] culture even more effective? Wouldn't the economic aspects, too, [I]deter[/I] the loss of specific cultural aspects, as we inch closer and closer to economic equality and people then have less reasons to move out of their countries?

[QUOTE=RB33;52100006]Have you taken into account modern technology, which unites us (as right now) and keeps us together, so we can communicate? I think we can diversify but technology will bring us back together as we are all still connected to each other.[/QUOTE] Do you seriously not realize that this is the answer to your question? The reason why cultures are "disappearing" is not because of the EU, it's not because of the governments, it's not because patriots stopped being born, it's because the invention of the airplane made month long trips take hours, it's because the telephone allowed people to instantly talk to each other at two different ends of the world, it's because film allowed us to see moments of reality taken thousands of miles away, perhaps even decades ago. The reason why your culture will die, is not because of the action of any government, but instead through the same mechanism you are now using to argue with strangers from all over the world. You are now aware of people beyond what you can reach by foot. Your culture is no longer defined by your parents, hell, it's not even defined by your borders. And there's nothing you can do about it, you can isolate yourself as much as you want but the days of old are gone and they'll never return, culture will evolve and transform whether you like it or not. Languages will die, transform, sometimes they even become reborn.

[QUOTE=RB33;52098311]Well, let's not get rid of all differences we got and should cherish at once. Let's just lump together into a big booring cultural blob, where no one is unique over time. That would be the most wasteful and tragic thing to happen in modern times.[/QUOTE] I like this post, it's a good example of somebody caring more about a vague idea of cultural identity than the lives of the people who live and die in poverty as a result of others refusal to let go of said idea.

[QUOTE=Zukriuchen;52100046]Well, there was my post talking about how we've lost a shitton of different cultural aspects over the years already, yet these new losses are arbitrarily worse in your mind. Why?[/QUOTE] Why should we keep changing more, can't we simply have enough at some point? We don't miss what our ancestors have lost, we can miss what we have right now. [QUOTE]I know you've said "there's a difference between going from 1000 cultures to 100 and from 100 to 50 and even fewer", but this is still entirely arbitrary. I don't see that difference. Can future man Joe, who will be born 300 years from now, not be just as proud of an entirely unified culture as you are of yours? Why's that unification not an achievement to be celebrated? Why is one cultural development better than another? Why are our current advances worth less than the "hundreds of years" that came before us?[/QUOTE] The fewer cultures become, the more noticeable is it. If I could find myself 100 different cultures a hundred years ago, today I might only find 10 with noticable differences. What if he hates his unified culture and rather have diversity, like some might want a unified culture now. Some will never be content and want something different, often for the sake of it. We all have our preferences, that's why. Their opinion isn't worth less than mine and vice versa. [QUOTE]Then there's the question of whether or not this unification will even happen on the scale you suggest, and the answer from everyone here seems to be a resounding "no". Yet you're still parading it around as fact. Why? Advances in technology and communication may very well make different cultures more similar. But don't those exact same advances make [I]preserving[/I] culture even more effective? Wouldn't the economic aspects, too, [I]deter[/I] the loss of specific cultural aspects, as we inch closer and closer to economic equality and people then have less reasons to move out of their countries?[/QUOTE] Yes, they might also help preserving. But overall, i think a decline in unique cultures will be happening, although maybe slow. If we unite into a larger country, what is our country then? Spain for example is no longer foreign, it's just another province of the EU. People can move all over the place and share their culture freely, a culture will no longer stay in one place. The culture will become more shared and common. [editline]14th April 2017[/editline] [QUOTE=MrJazzy;52100135]I like this post, it's a good example of somebody caring more about a vague idea of cultural identity than the lives of the people who live and die in poverty as a result of others refusal to let go of said idea.[/QUOTE] Yes, all the people who die because others want to celebrate Midsommar and eat fika. Can you even give me valid example of that? [editline]14th April 2017[/editline] [QUOTE=Big Bang;52100131]Do you seriously not realize that this is the answer to your question? The reason why cultures are "disappearing" is not because of the EU, it's not because of the governments, it's not because patriots stopped being born, it's because the invention of the airplane made month long trips take hours, it's because the telephone allowed people to instantly talk to each other at two different ends of the world, it's because film allowed us to see moments of reality taken thousands of miles away, perhaps even decades ago. The reason why your culture will die, is not because of the action of any government, but instead through the same mechanism you are now using to argue with strangers from all over the world. You are now aware of people beyond what you can reach by foot. Your culture is no longer defined by your parents, hell, it's not even defined by your borders. And there's nothing you can do about it, you can isolate yourself as much as you want but the days of old are gone and they'll never return, culture will evolve and transform whether you like it or not. Languages will die, transform, sometimes they even become reborn.[/QUOTE] And people wonder why uniting further into the EU and such is such a scary thing for some people? Exactly this rethoric is what scares people, you will remove their culture, their identity, who they are. You give them no hope, just a depressing path forward. That's why some people want to leave the EU. You're not giving them any favours. Yes, I know this. That's why i'm in favour of safeguarding culture to keep it alive as in order to not lose our history, tradition and what made us into what we are. The solution to bad stuff is not to lay down and accept defeat.

i don't know why i was expecting you to get more reasonable when i asked you to elaborate. you just got crazier instead "spain is no longer foreign", what the fuck does this even mean? [editline]13th April 2017[/editline] and fyi you're still repeating yourself lol

[QUOTE=Zukriuchen;52100255]i don't know why i was expecting you to get more reasonable when i asked you to elaborate. you just got crazier instead "spain is no longer foreign", what the fuck does this even mean? [editline]13th April 2017[/editline] and fyi you're still repeating yourself lol[/QUOTE] Have you forgot that this an EU thread and we have (or at least I) talked about a federal Europe? Basically everything, i've said has been in the context of a Federal Europe.

[QUOTE=RB33;52100169]Yes, all the people who die because others want to celebrate Midsommar and eat fika. Can you even give me valid example of that?[/QUOTE] Is that what this is about? Well don't worry then, you can keep on doing those things, the EU won't take away your midsommar and fikapauser, nor will any immigrants.

[QUOTE=RB33;52100169] And people wonder why uniting further into the EU and such is such a scary thing for some people? Exactly this rethoric is what scares people, you will remove their culture, their identity. You give them no hope, just a depressing path forward. That's why people want to leave the EU. You're not giving them any favours. Yes, I know this. That's why i'm in favour of safeguarding culture to keep alive as in order to not lose our history, tradition and what made us into what we are. The solution to bad stuff is not to lay down and accept defeat.[/QUOTE] I'm sorry, but this is reality. I don't need to sugar coat this for you, you can be depressed all you want but your culture will die, and be transformed into something else whether you like it or not, it has happened to thousands others before, and it has nothing to do with government more than it has to do with humans being. And the worst part is, you're being part of its death right now. Barring completely isolating your culture from the rest of the world, this is a natural process that happens due to the simple action of communicating with people outside your culture. Your history will be recorded, and so will your traditions, and so will what made you what you are. But culture is a living thing, you can't lock it away in a box and safeguard it, it's being created and transformed by the people, and you have no right to pick how and when. It's a consequence of there being more people than just you living around you.

[QUOTE=MrJazzy;52100302]Is that what this is about? Well don't worry then, you can keep on doing those things, the EU won't take away your midsommar and fikapauser, nor will any immigrants.[/QUOTE] Yeah, culture. So why are we disagreeing? Can you still give me an example of that? [editline]14th April 2017[/editline] [QUOTE=Big Bang;52100314]I'm sorry, but this is reality. I don't need to sugar coat this for you, you can be depressed all you want but your culture will die, and be transformed into something else whether you like it or not, it has happened to thousands others before, and it has nothing to do with government more than it has to do with humans being. And the worst part is, you're being part of its death right now. Barring completely isolating your culture from the rest of the world, this is a natural process that happens due to the simple action of communicating with people outside your culture. Your history will be recorded, and so will your traditions, and so will what made you what you are. But culture is a living thing, you can't lock it away in a box and safeguard it, it's being created and transformed by the people, and you have no right to pick how and when. It's a consequence of there being more people than just you living around you.[/QUOTE] Do you like being this overly dramatic? Yes, change is inevitable and you're still doing as diservice to the EU, by acting like it's a complete dystopia. Ordinary people never want to hear that, they want security and stability. Not "Your culture is going to die horribly and stuff". This stuff pushes people away from anything even resembling international unification.

[QUOTE=RB33;52100320]Do you like being this overly dramatic? Yes, change is inevitable and you're still doing as diservice to the EU, by acting like it's a complete dystopia. Ordinary people never want to hear that, they want security and stability. Not "Your culture is going to die horribly and stuff". This stuff pushes people away from anything even resembling international unification.[/QUOTE] Oh, I'm sorry, I'm the one being overly dramatic? I'm not saying it's a dystopia. I'm not even saying the death of a culture is a bad thing. I actually want that, and to some extent, so do you. The marked differences between decades since the last century have all been a result of new trends being imposed over old ones. This doesn't mean the old stopped to exist, it's just not part of what is currently considered to be culturally relevant. I embrace the change, and so has the rest of the world. If you wanna look at the past with rose tinted glasses so be it, but it's long gone and it's not coming back, and something tells me that what you care about is not actually midsommar or fika. This whole "preserving culture" shit feels euphemistic.

[QUOTE=Marbalo;52100390]:huh: A united Europe is the epitome of security and stability. And the more united Europe is, the more stable and secure it becomes. I really dont understand what point you're arguing.[/QUOTE] They don't feel secure though, if they hear stories of dystopia and that's how we got Brexit and similar sentiment.

It's even worse that he uses fika as the pinnacle of Swedish culture when it involves drinking coffee, a bean from Africa, exported to the Middle East that then made it's way to Europe, who then brought it to the Americas, where most of the coffee drank in Sweden actually comes from; who also accompany it by buying desserts from a konditori (A word that is actually German) which are mostly adapted from French confectionery. It's one of the best examples of positive cross cultural influence, and it happened hundreds of years before the EU even existed.

[QUOTE=Big Bang;52100371]Oh, I'm sorry, I'm the one being overly dramatic? I'm not saying it's a dystopia. I'm not even saying the death of a culture is a bad thing. I actually want that, and to some extent, so do you. The marked differences between decades since the last century have all been a result of new trends being imposed over old ones. This doesn't mean the old stopped to exist, it's just not part of what is currently considered to be culturally relevant. I embrace the change, and so has the rest of the world. If you wanna look at the past with rose tinted glasses so be it, but it's long gone and it's not coming back, and something tells me that what you care about is not actually midsommar or fika. This whole "preserving culture" shit feels euphemistic.[/QUOTE] Everyone hasn't embraced the change and you should know better than generalizing. Ever heard of conservatives, isolated people or countries? For many and in some places the majority, "the past" is still the present. That doesn't change because some other people want change. Feel free to tell me what I really think if you think i'm not being honest, i won't take offense. [editline]14th April 2017[/editline] [QUOTE=Big Bang;52100423]It's even worse that he uses fika as the pinnacle of Swedish culture when it involves drinking coffee, a bean from Africa, exported to the Middle East that then made it's way to Europe, who then brought it to the Americas, where most of the coffee drank in Sweden actually comes from; who also accompany it by buying desserts from a konditori (A word that is actually German) which are mostly adapted from French confectionery. It's one of the best examples of positive cross cultural influence, and it happened hundreds of years before the EU even existed.[/QUOTE] And that might be gone, because that is apparently not going far enough in having a unified culture. No Swedish fika, no German words, no French food, it's all going to be European. Because cultural identities are apperently bad and should be done away with it. Why though? Why is it bad? We are not killing each other anymore in the EU because of it, are we? This kind of rethoric started this: [QUOTE=Marbalo;52098127]Cultural identity becoming a potential victim is a totally acceptable collateral victim of this process, because it serves very little purpose beyond cultivating aggressive nationalism, distrust of arbitrarily condemned "foreigners", and sews the seeds of isolationism in both the public and the government. It would basically be an empire that isn't hellbent on war, monarchies, or subjugation - but rather a superstate built upon the foundations of economic and military cooperation, and would get us much closer to the concept of a unified Earth. If this goal involves mass riots and unrest from people who are offended at the concept of letting go of their "cultural identities" (whatever that means, the definition is so vague, broad and subjective you cant even pinpoint what it actually is), then so be it. In a very short period of time, people will suddenly start living more comfortably than ever before in history, and money is the greatest persuader. Who cares about flags when your children could have the best education and the greatest financial stability they could ever hope for?[/QUOTE] Just give up your culture and become "European", no, people won't do that. Their cultural identity is a large part of who they are.

[QUOTE=Marbalo;52100481]Brexit didn't happen because people heard stories of "Dystopia", it happened because people felt like they were being hustled by the EU. Which wasn't true, but people (sharing your sentimentality), who often let feelings in the way of facts, decided that it was. Let me put it this way, the EU isn't going to get bigger and better based on my rhetoric of "cultural identities being acceptable victims". It's just going to get bigger and better, period. There wont be need to convince anybody of anything as the economy grows, education is made better, and social services improve. People will see the fruits of unification in the eyes of their children. The process will take years of steady growth and gradual assimilation, and it will be subtle enough for the majority not to give a shit, because the majority have careers, families and lives to worry about rather than some silly unnoticeable trend towards unification that only people on certain internet forums argue over for hours on end.[/QUOTE] You're very optimistic that everything will go fine though. EU has failed in major ways up to now, how will it suddenly keep going without future errors and provide all the good stuff, you're promising?

[QUOTE=Marbalo;52100481]Brexit didn't happen because people heard stories of "Dystopia", it happened because people felt like they were being hustled by the EU. Which wasn't true, but people (sharing your sentimentality), who often let feelings in the way of facts, decided that it was. Let me put it this way, the EU isn't going to get bigger and better based on my rhetoric of "cultural identities being acceptable victims". It's just going to get bigger and better, period. There wont be need to convince anybody of anything as the economy grows, education is made better, and social services improve. People will see the fruits of unification in the eyes of their children. The process will take years of steady growth and gradual assimilation, and it will be subtle enough for the majority not to give a shit, because the majority have careers, families and lives to worry about rather than some silly unnoticeable trend towards unification that only people on certain internet forums argue over for hours on end.[/QUOTE] The Brexit also happened because the Brits rightfully felt like the EU's current leadership isn't interested in any sort of reforms to make their leadership structure more democratic and more in touch with the European citizens they are supposed to represent. And as such, there were many British citizens who felt like leaving the EU was the only way to get the EU leadership to maybe reconsider their stances.... Which they still haven't done. The whole economy and social services improving doesn't go for most Europeans as well. Just ask the Spanish, Italians and Greeks about that one. Hell, even in better-off countries, like the Netherlands, there is the general feeling of both not improving at all, given how many formerly big Dutch companies have went under and social services keep getting more expensive and less viable. They expect that my generation will have a pension age of 72..... If there is even a pension system left then, with how it seems to get worse by the year. It just feels like the EU is operating on a huge bubble right now with some hideously out-of-touch career politicians at the helm who don't even have to worry about the consequences the average European citizen or the children of said citizens have to face.

[QUOTE=RB33;52100438] And that might be gone, because that is apparently not going far enough in having a unified culture. No Swedish fika, no German words, no French food, it's all going to be European. Because cultural identities are apperently bad and should be done away with it. Why though? Why is it bad? We are not killing each other anymore in the EU because of it, are we?[/QUOTE] Except that the reason why fika would disappear wouldn't be because of an imposition by the EU, because [I]the EU doesn't do that and it hasn't ever[/I]. You still speak Swedish, and Germans still speak German despite the EU existing for decades. However, you also speak English, and depending on how much you actually use the internet, you may find yourself writing more English than Swedish in your everyday life. This is how languages actually die, simply because it's more convenient to speak another language that more people know. Here's a simple example you may be aware of, less and less people speak with a Skånska dialect simply because of urbanization. This is a completely Swedish phenomenon that has happened without any sort of intervention from the EU, people from the north mostly think that Skånska sounds stupid or weird, so people who moved from rural Skåne into northern cities transformed the way they spoke. The average Swede isn't really exposed to Skånska regularly particularly because it's very rarely used in mass media, so that's the reason why they think it sounds weird.

[QUOTE=Big Bang;52100552]Except that the reason why fika would disappear wouldn't be because of an imposition by the EU, because [I]the EU doesn't do that and it hasn't ever[/I]. You still speak Swedish, and Germans still speak German despite the EU existing for decades. However, you also speak English, and depending on how much you actually use the internet, you may find yourself writing more English than Swedish in your everyday life. This is how languages actually die, simply because it's more convenient to speak another language that more people know. Here's a simple example you may be aware of, less and less people speak with a Skånska dialect simply because of urbanization. This is a completely Swedish phenomenon that has happened without any sort of intervention from the EU, people from the north mostly think that Skånska sounds stupid or weird, so people who moved from rural Skåne into northern cities transformed the way they spoke. The average Swede isn't really exposed to Skånska regularly particularly because it's very rarely used in mass media, so that's the reason why they think it sounds weird.[/QUOTE] Yes and I believe the EU can keep working and still respect cultures as it should. Why would it otherwise have all the languages of the member nations as official languages? Yes, that's how they die, you're right, speakers need to speak and read each other writings more. Other Swedes got their own dialects as well but Skånska just sounds terrible, not just due to lack of mass media coverage.

[QUOTE=RB33;52100590]Other Swedes got their own dialects as well but Skånska just sounds terrible, not just due to lack of mass media coverage.[/QUOTE] Ok, then, actually all that shit you said about wanting to preserve tradition and Swedish culture is complete bullshit. I mean congratulations, you've just discovered how your culture is gonna die, it's not gonna be because the big bad EU is going to take it away from you, it's going to come from the day where those Swedish things you cherish are going to be seen in a negative light by the majority of the people around you. Saying that Skånska sounds terrible, or that it is somehow an inferior dialect is going to make people stop speaking it, thus causing it to fucking disappear.

[QUOTE=Big Bang;52100685]Ok, then, actually all that shit you said about wanting to preserve tradition and Swedish culture is complete bullshit. I mean congratulations, you've just discovered how your culture is gonna die, it's not gonna be because the big bad EU is going to take it away from you, it's going to come from the day where those Swedish things you cherish are going to be seen in a negative light by the majority of the people around you. Saying that Skånska sounds terrible, or that it is somehow an inferior dialect is going to make people stop speaking it, thus causing it to fucking disappear.[/QUOTE] No, it isn't. Because Skånska sounds terrible? Lots of languages probably sound terrible and I still woudn't want them to disappear. They can still speak it in Skåne and I personally won't annoy them for speaking it in front of me. I also like how you have ignored a bunch of questions, that I asked you so far. Is there a reason for that?

The logistics and day-to-day of a multi-national military would be a absolute nightmare, we already face an insane amount of ineptitude in pretty much every military when it comes to the chain of command; throw in other things like national rivalries, language barriers and it's going to get a whole lot messier. source; I was Infantry in the Army for 4 years.

[QUOTE=RB33;52100723]No, it isn't. Because Skånska sounds terrible? Lots of languages probably sound terrible and I still woudn't want them to disappear. They can still speak it in Skåne and I personally won't annoy them for speaking it in front of me. I also like how you have ignored a bunch of questions, that I asked you so far. Is there a reason for that?[/QUOTE] I don't think you're understanding what he's saying Basically everything you've said for 3 pages can be boiled down to "Change is fucking bad"

[QUOTE=HumanAbyss;52101083]I don't think you're understanding what he's saying Basically everything you've said for 3 pages can be boiled down to "Change is fucking bad"[/QUOTE] Destruction of cultures and diversity is bad. Especially if made for some vague goal of stopping opposition to a unified state. Which really can be compared to what the Soviets wanted to do. People here seem very willing and having no problems with throwing it away.

[QUOTE=RB33;52101140]Destruction of cultures and diversity is bad. Especially if made for some vague goal of stopping opposition to a unified state. People here seem very willing and having no problems with throwing it away.[/QUOTE] How did your current culture come to exist?

[QUOTE=RB33;52101140]Destruction of cultures and diversity is bad. Especially if made for some vague goal of stopping opposition to a unified state. Which really can be compared to what the Soviets wanted to do. People here seem very willing and having no problems with throwing it away.[/QUOTE] All anyone here has said is cultures will change but that your monoculture or vast deterioration of culture is not gonna happen. So far you've continued to assert that without providing any evidence other than dialects becoming unified, not cultures dying.

[QUOTE=HumanAbyss;52101149]How did your current culture come to exist?[/QUOTE] Thousands of years of developing into the language it is today, starting with farmers seeking north for more places to live, rise of the vikings and a culture of traveling abroad to raid and colonize other land. A christianisation during the middle ages and standardisation as a culture over the last hundreds of years. With borrowings of words and phrases of other cultures. All while keeping some traditions from the middle ages and beyond. If your point is that it's the same thing, just on a smaller scale. There may come a point, where further centralization of culture is enough. When we just want to keep what we got and not assimilate into a larger, European culture. Some people rather not do that, so why pressure them to? [editline]14th April 2017[/editline] [QUOTE=DOG-GY;52101211]All anyone here has said is cultures will change but that your monoculture or vast deterioration of culture is not gonna happen. So far you've continued to assert that without providing any evidence other than dialects becoming unified, not cultures dying.[/QUOTE] Dialects are cultures, many have died or are dying. [QUOTE=Kljunas;52099994][url]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vergonha[/url] Not saying this [I]would[/I] happen, but government policies sure can be extremely damaging towards minority languages.[/QUOTE] [QUOTE=RB33;52099911]Dialects were once their own cultures, until one of them got themselves an army and a country and declared itself a national language. The others have had to adapt to that, French regional languages are pretty dead, i've heard, Germany's are dying. Arabic displaced previous native language and became the new major language by the ruling powers. China is doing that now, i think.[/QUOTE] Dialects don't live on their own, they belong to a culture/a people who speak it. With their means of speaking gone, their traditions and other culture have often soon followed.