Gaiman looks like a great bassist. Or a Nick Cave-esque vocalist/guitarist.
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Moffat on drums
It won't happen - but how would you guys feel if Matt regenerated in the 50th unexpectedly? What if him leaving at Christmas was fake and he was actually leaving in November?
Won't it happen?
Surprise would be nice. But I don't want it to be distracting from the celebration. I'd like to see Matt get a good farewell story.
But that means Capaldi sooner...
[QUOTE=Dan2593;41896319]Won't it happen?[/QUOTE][I]Technically[/I] possible but unlikely considering they start filming the Christmas special really soon. You'd have to have Matt on set as a fake and keep all of Capaldi's filming indoors.
EDIT: What better farewell story than dying in the timewar? Imagine if ten got to see him regenerate even! How cool would that be? They'd have to do some explaining on how eleven doesn't remember what he now looks like though (unless he did remember which would be cool too).
Or film it entirely indoors. Not that it would help, Capaldis regeneration would've been indoors but they still had to reveal him early because somebody on set won't be able to keep their mouth shut.
Gotta say they did a great job keeping it secret as long as the did. I've learnt more about British actors in the last few months than I have in my life. Also I don't think the fandom (the overwhelming majority) has ever felt so secure about a casting decision in the history of the show. Apart from Eccleston I guess.
Here's a particularly silly idea: Eleven gets mortally wounded in the 50th special, but realises there's still something he needs to do to save the universe before he regenerates. Before it starts, he zips back in time (leaving Clara, Ten, and whoever else behind) but in the 50th episode, all we see is him disappearing in the TARDIS. The TARDIS then re-materialises shortly after, looking worse for wear. The doors fly open, smoke and steam billow out. And then, out staggers an unfamiliar figure. Cue end credits.
Then at Christmas, we get the story of what he did after he dematerialised. He's actually busy sorting out some threat that in the 50th special seemed to magically get fixed. He also grabs past Clara at one point and she helps him out (he's visibly suffering at this point, so a few times during the 50th Clara asks pre-injury him if he's feeling okay, and the audience doesn't know what the fuck). Then once the threat is dealt with, he finds his way back to his TARDIS, flips the fast return switch, and the regeneration happens. After he's done checking out his new face and appearance, the TARDIS lands, and the last shot of the episode is the twelfth Doctor leaving the TARDIS to greet his friends. Cue end credits.
How's that for timey-wimey?
I like this.
Way to much capaldi in here baker to the rescue
also Can't wait for november creeping up it be
[QUOTE=CoolCorky;41896695]Here's a particularly silly idea: Eleven gets mortally wounded in the 50th special, but realises there's still something he needs to do to save the universe before he regenerates. Before it starts, he zips back in time (leaving Clara, Ten, and whoever else behind) but in the 50th episode, all we see is him disappearing in the TARDIS. The TARDIS then re-materialises shortly after, looking worse for wear. The doors fly open, smoke and steam billow out. And then, out staggers an unfamiliar figure. Cue end credits.
Then at Christmas, we get the story of what he did after he dematerialised. He's actually busy sorting out some threat that in the 50th special seemed to magically get fixed. He also grabs past Clara at one point and she helps him out (he's visibly suffering at this point, so a few times during the 50th Clara asks pre-injury him if he's feeling okay, and the audience doesn't know what the fuck). Then once the threat is dealt with, he finds his way back to his TARDIS, flips the fast return switch, and the regeneration happens. After he's done checking out his new face and appearance, the TARDIS lands, and the last shot of the episode is the twelfth Doctor leaving the TARDIS to greet his friends. Cue end credits.
How's that for timey-wimey?[/QUOTE]
Similar to Moffats plan for the 10-11 regeneration.
At the start of Series 5 Tenannt would've landed in young Amelia's garden in a banged up TARDIS looking worse for wear. Amelia takes him in, feeds him, and he goes off again. When she's an adult the Doctor visits her again but he doesn't know who she is (he hasn't met her yet) and at the end of Series 5 we see what happens that causes him to get so beaten up and on the edge of death, and we see him regenerate into Eleven.
David really liked it but was worried if he did another year he would never leave.
Wow. fuck. That'd have made Amy into the single most awesome companion in series history, if she isn't already a serious competitor.
Something just dawned on me. You can't travel back to fetch people who were victims of weeping angels, right? Well. Could Cap. Jack not travel to sometime before then and just... LIVE up to that point and then take them away?
God i want them back. Help me!
Concerning how much of a huge Dr Who fan Capaldi is, if he did even one series, he may not be able to leave.
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The Doctor Who Prom will be on BBC1 at 4pm on Monday
[QUOTE=Bomimo;41902756]Wow. fuck. That'd have made Amy into the single most awesome companion in series history, if she isn't already a serious competitor.
Something just dawned on me. You can't travel back to fetch people who were victims of weeping angels, right? Well. Could Cap. Jack not travel to sometime before then and just... LIVE up to that point and then take them away?
God i want them back. Help me![/QUOTE]
There are so many plot holes with the weeping angels that fans picked up straight away.
[QUOTE=lintz;41902837]There are so many plot holes with the weeping angels that fans picked up straight away.[/QUOTE]
It's as if they quit with two hours notice.
The reason The Doctor can't go back to save Amy and Rory is because he read in the book that he never returned for them.
If he goes back for them it will cause a huge paradox taking the whole of reality with it. He's never allowed to see them again.
He knew he wasn't supposed to read the book but he kept going and as a result he can no longer see his friends again.
No plot holes at all. Just a pretty massive tragedy based on spoilers.
Just save them and be like "dont mention this bit in the book"
He can't. He's already read it. It has already happened.
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I mean the whole book thing was still a plot device that appeared from nowhere and contradicts Moffat-time-travel from the past. But it was the rules set in the episode so we have to accept it.
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PS as for the "90 missing episodes returned rumour" Outpost Skaro have this to say:
[QUOTE]So, here's what WE'VE BEEN TOLD at Outpost Skaro.
A cache of television episodes thought wiped from the 60s have been discovered in a non-European country. These are a mix of BBC and ITV and include, we're told, Morecambe and Wise, Steptoe & Son, Dads Army and Doctor Who amongst others. Not all the episodes found are "missing".
In the case of the Doctor Who episodes discovered we've been informed that Marco Polo, Enemy of the World and Web of Fear are now complete and that people are starting to get to see them, particularly Enemy of the World. The BBC are dealing with the return of these episodes, and clips, single episodes and various bits and bobs at a very senior level. One of the other episodes perhaps discovered is Power of the Daleks ep 1. I know, the holy grail. We're very close to a member of the Skaro team getting a first hand look at some of this.
Whilst some of these episodes are in safe hands, restoration is in the very early stages, if began at all (I know that's slightly different from what I said the other day, but, well, it's a new week!) but they're quite a fair bit off from being popped on a DVD and sold to us.
Until these episodes are secured and tied up there won't be a statement - not because there's a big conspiracy, just because there's nothing to say. Our personal feeling is that a) release is WAY off b) announcements won't be anytime soon. This, of course, is not set in stone.
We hear this from more than one source, which is what made us jump into the missing episode pond in the first place. And no one has guessed any of our sources, despite the devilment surrounding that.
A final underlining - until we see for ourselves any of this stuff, we cannot be 100% on anything. We COULD be victim of a massive hoax! But if we are, it's our sources who've been duped, not us. We're just reporting what they're telling us.
Right, that's it, final word. Hope that makes sense.[/QUOTE]
The explanation was nothing to do with the book (it should have been though) - Amy could have easily just walked back into the TARDIS instead of leaving. That's the entire reason Amy's grave wasn't there UNTIL she got touched.
What the actual explanation was:
'The Doctor desperately tries to talk her out of it, warning her that she would be creating fixed points in time and that he would never be able to see them again.'
This fixed points in time stuff is stupid though, because in the episode it was stated that the fixed point was in 1930s Manhattan and the TARDIS just wouldn't go there (iirc that is). Why can't Amy and Rory just travel outside of Manhattan? Or why couldn't River just give them a time manipulator or something?
Also why the hell are Amy and Rory fixed points at all? What would have changed in history if they had stayed with the Doctor. Let's be honest they both died doing nothing important, did they?
[QUOTE=Freeze;41904610]The explanation was nothing to do with the book (it should have been though) - Amy could have easily just walked back into the TARDIS instead of leaving. That's the entire reason Amy's grave wasn't there UNTIL she got touched.
What the actual explanation was:
'The Doctor desperately tries to talk her out of it, warning her that she would be creating fixed points in time and that he would never be able to see them again.'
This fixed points in time stuff is stupid though, because in the episode it was stated that the fixed point was in 1930s Manhattan and the TARDIS just wouldn't go there (iirc that is). Why can't Amy and Rory just travel outside of Manhattan? Or why couldn't River just give them a time manipulator or something?
Also why the hell are Amy and Rory fixed points at all? What would have changed in history if they had stayed with the Doctor. Let's be honest they both died doing nothing important, did they?[/QUOTE]
if amy hadn't have gone, then the book wouldn't have been published
[QUOTE=LordCrypto;41905770]if amy hadn't have gone, then the book wouldn't have been published[/QUOTE]And then what would have happened? How did the book help at all?
(no seriously I actually don't remember how much the book helped them if at all)
EDIT: And they could have just gotten someone else to publish the book. :v
EDIT2: They used it to find Rory? I doubt they had no other way to find him (such as a scanner or something).
EDIT3: Also, how come the Doctor can go and reassure young Amy? That would change the events that happened in the Eleventh Hour since Amy wouldn't be as mad at him and wouldn't have locked up the Doctor (which then means he wouldn't have as much info about the enemy he was fighting which would mean it would be A LOT more difficult to fight him).
I just heard on the telly, Doctor Who Proms, BBC One, Bank Holiday Monday at 4. I assume it's the filmed version.
Yep. Rumour has been for a very long time that Bank Holiday Monday would have some kind of Doctor Who broadcast. Originally speculated to be the 12 announcement program. But it was announced to be proms after the 12 announcement.
But the rumour also said the 50th trailer or Mcgann Prequel would come with it. So keep an eye out.
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[QUOTE=Freeze;41905882]And then what would have happened? How did the book help at all?
(no seriously I actually don't remember how much the book helped them if at all)
EDIT: And they could have just gotten someone else to publish the book. :v
EDIT2: They used it to find Rory? I doubt they had no other way to find him (such as a scanner or something).
EDIT3: Also, how come the Doctor can go and reassure young Amy? That would change the events that happened in the Eleventh Hour since Amy wouldn't be as mad at him and wouldn't have locked up the Doctor (which then means he wouldn't have as much info about the enemy he was fighting which would mean it would be A LOT more difficult to fight him).[/QUOTE]
Once it was written down it was a fixed event. The used the book throughout the story to find out what to do next even though River kept warning them not to as it was spoilers. It's how they found Rory (twice) and broke Rivers wrist and a bunch of other things.
Once it was written down and somebody read it, it was fact and The Doctor was not allowed to change it.
Young Amy wasn't a fixed point, Amy and Rory becoming trapped in New York was.
[QUOTE=Dan2593;41906313]Once it was written down it was a fixed event. The used the book throughout the story to find out what to do next even though River kept warning them not to as it was spoilers. It's how they found Rory (twice) and broke Rivers wrist and a bunch of other things.
Once it was written down and somebody read it, it was fact and The Doctor was not allowed to change it.
Young Amy wasn't a fixed point, Amy and Rory becoming trapped in New York was.[/QUOTE]But pretty much everything in creation is documented somewhere and someone will have read it. Hell - that book was even published which means why does it matter if the Doctor reads? Tons of other people already have!
In the Waters of Mars the Doctor changes the future. It alters a major event, yes, but nothing (that we can see) happens to anything but the Doctor emotionally (hell even the writing on the wikipedia page changes, why can't the book do that?!). If he saved Amy it wouldn't even alter a major event! Why is it a fixed point in time?
Fixed points are bullshit honestly. Paradoxes are fine but there's nothing making this a paradox.
(also if fixed points are a thing young amy should be a fixed point because the Doctor could have lost as I said in the eleventh hour)
I can't really explain it better than the episode itself. If you want answers I suggest you rewatch it.
[QUOTE=Dan2593;41906804]I can't really explain it better than the episode itself. If you want answers I suggest you rewatch it.[/QUOTE]I understand. My real problem is the fact that the episode (at least in my opinion) explained it well. :(
[QUOTE=Freeze;41906648]But pretty much everything in creation is documented somewhere and someone will have read it. Hell - that book was even published which means why does it matter if the Doctor reads? Tons of other people already have!
In the Waters of Mars the Doctor changes the future. It alters a major event, yes, but nothing (that we can see) happens to anything but the Doctor emotionally (hell even the writing on the wikipedia page changes, why can't the book do that?!). If he saved Amy it wouldn't even alter a major event! Why is it a fixed point in time?
Fixed points are bullshit honestly. Paradoxes are fine but there's nothing making this a paradox.
(also if fixed points are a thing young amy should be a fixed point because the Doctor could have lost as I said in the eleventh hour)[/QUOTE]
There's this big thing about "personal timelines" in Who. Like, you can go back in time and mess with historical figures and the timeline is okay about it, but you couldn't go back in time 10 minutes and stop yourself from tripping over, because you've already tripped over and it would cause a paradox to change it.
[QUOTE=CoolCorky;41906872]There's this big thing about "personal timelines" in Who. Like, you can go back in time and mess with historical figures and the timeline is okay about it, but you couldn't go back in time 10 minutes and stop yourself from tripping over, because you've already tripped over and it would cause a paradox to change it.[/QUOTE]But he's not going back in their timeline, only in regular human time.
EDIT: As in, he's not changing anything that happened. River could easily write the book as a fake thing as to not muck up anything.
50th anniversary of the howl-around creation today
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EDIT3: Also, how come the Doctor can go and reassure young Amy? That would change the events that happened in the Eleventh Hour since Amy wouldn't be as mad at him and wouldn't have locked up the Doctor (which then means he wouldn't have as much info about the enemy he was fighting which would mean it would be A LOT more difficult to fight him).[/QUOTE]
Because that would break Moffat's weird rules of time travel, and when the Doctor met Amy when she was older, she wouldn't have chained him to the radiator.
The way I see it, Moffat makes it so just about everything the Doctor interacts with becomes a fixed point in time. Meeting young Amy made that a fixed point. Promising her that he would be back in five minutes became a fixed point. Not returning until she was much older by accident became a fixed point. I'm sure there are some exceptions to the rule, but for the most part, that's how Moffat has been writing the rules of time with Eleven.
After the rings of akhaten speech. I've been thinking how emotional it would be if he ever reminiscences all of his bigger companions in a fit if bitterness, rage and sadness.
Come to think of it. Matt Smith got a few good speeches in there. I don't remember if Chris and Tennant got any?
The reason i thought about this, was because i was reflecting on how he was "retired" in the christmas special. Imagine if he'd gone off on the universe after the angels took Amy and Rory and had just exploded instead of whimpered. That's where i thought it'd happen if it'd ever happen.
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[QUOTE=Lordgeorge16;41907487]Because that would break Moffat's weird rules of time travel, and when the Doctor met Amy when she was older, she wouldn't have chained him to the radiator.
The way I see it, Moffat makes it so just about everything the Doctor interacts with becomes a fixed point in time. Meeting young Amy made that a fixed point. Promising her that he would be back in five minutes became a fixed point. Not returning until she was much older by accident became a fixed point. I'm sure there are some exceptions to the rule, but for the most part, that's how Moffat has been writing the rules of time with Eleven.[/QUOTE]
As in: you can't change the timeline. Which has been a rule all along. Him not returning for Amy in time wasn't set before he turned up and she was angry. Now her timeline is set and if he changes that, he changes all of time that happened in between. As in everything that happened gets another go at happening or not happening. This is why he's always so goddamn careful about it.
[QUOTE=Bomimo;41907987]Come to think of it. Matt Smith got a few good speeches in there. I don't remember if Chris and Tennant got any?[/QUOTE]They had some shorter ones:
'I'm the Doctor. I'm a Time Lord. I'm from the planet Gallifrey in the Constellation of Kasterborous. I'm 903 years old and I'm the man who is gonna save your lives and all 6 billion people on the planet below. You got a problem with that?'
'No! 'Cause this is what I'm gonna do - I'm gonna rescue her. I'm gonna save Rose Tyler from the middle of the Dalek Fleet, and then I'm gonna save the Earth, and then just to finish off, I'm gonna wipe every last stinking Dalek outta the sky!'
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