Did anyone else get the implication that the woman who lead the Silence was River Song?
She slapped the Doctor, snogged him, flew the TARDIS, and has been "fighting the psychopath inside her all her life".
I like to think she was. Maybe David Tennant left her in that chair in The Library and she farted out some gold dust and regenerated.
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Oh, double post sorry!
So is Gallifrey not frozen in time in the pocket dimension or whatever they are?
Hang on a second, didn't Clara's mum die??
[QUOTE=Acezorz;43318919]Hang on a second, didn't Clara's mum die??[/QUOTE]
It was her nan, dad, and aunt or step mum I think.
I hope we see more of them.
[QUOTE=Dan2593;43318934]It was her nan, dad, and aunt or step mum I think.
I hope we see more of them.[/QUOTE]
Doubt it. There's been a severe lack of characterization and backstory on Doctor Who for the last few years.
that's moffat's fault.
[QUOTE=Grizz;43318751]I wasn't sure at first - but that clock tower scene is going to go down as one of my favourites.
It has been playing on a loop in my mind (I want that Dalek/Doctor theme mashup on a soundtrack ASAP). I won't say that I wish that had been the full event - because I would only complain about lack of closure. But that whole sequence has become more and more striking on multiple viewings. 11's celebratory dancing and boyish taunting. The clock striking twelve.The tower of energy and the shockwave. Clara helping the folk below. I had also wanted to see a regeneration used as a weapon for some time - oddly enough.
Plus - it's obviously a big addition to the lore.[/QUOTE]
I couldn't see past the silliness of it... He's just standing there waffling on, and all these little ships are flying around shooting and missing like Stormtroopers or something. What was up with that? He was the easiest target in the world to hit, yet they missed every single shot. Or was that meant to be intentional because they were 'scared' to actually shoot him? That frustrated me a bit.
I just realized that the Valeyard was created "Between his 11th and 12th regeneration"
If Meta-Crisis Doctor is the canonical 12th regeneration, [sp]does that mean Donna is the Valeyard?[/sp]
[QUOTE=Sobek-;43319008]I couldn't see past the silliness of it... He's just standing there waffling on, and all these little ships are flying around shooting and missing like Stormtroopers or something. What was up with that? He was the easiest target in the world to hit, yet they missed every single shot. Or was that meant to be intentional because they were 'scared' to actually shoot him? That frustrated me a bit.[/QUOTE]
They were also blowing up the town. He did also joke that they were too busy talking to kill him in time, I'm sure.
But asking why the villains don't just kill The Doctor is a question posed in most episodes :v:
Daleks especially, tend to rant and go in to a manic frenzy. Just part of their character.
11 starts and ends his life with a rooftop show.
[QUOTE=TraderRager;43319044]I just realized that the Valeyard was created "Between his 11th and 12th regeneration"
If Meta-Crisis Doctor is the canonical 12th regeneration, [sp]does that mean Donna is the Valeyard?[/sp][/QUOTE]
...apparently the valeyard's a transsexual then!
I was browsing the Who thread on 4chan's /tv/ and one of the poster's made a good observation; The Man who Forgets promises to remember.
[sp]"I will not forget one line of this, not one day. I swear. I will always remember when the Doctor was me."​[/sp]
somehow i doubt it, since donna only had knowledge of a timelord, not the biology.
meta-crisis doctor is also not the 12th regen, regular tennant was.
see it as a line with the meta-crisis doctor being a side-regen from the main line. there's a reason they call him 10.5 in some circles (though i guess that's 11.5 now).
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[QUOTE=Dazro;43319067]...apparently the valeyard's a transsexual then![/QUOTE]
in The Doctor's Wife, the Doctor mentions the Corsair, a naughty guy (and sometimes girl). Timelords are capable of changing gender.
[QUOTE=Dazro;43319067]...apparently the valeyard's a transsexual then![/QUOTE]
maybe if [sp]she could regenerate. In theory, since she was a half-clone of Post-Crysis 10, she would have one Regeneration left.[/sp]
[QUOTE=Dan2593;43318934]It was her nan, dad, and aunt or step mum I think.
I hope we see more of them.[/QUOTE]
I like how her dad isn't even played by the same person.
I saw a very interesting theory on tumblr today, which if it actually happened would let me completely forgive moffat (but it won't)
[sp]The Doctor’s timeline is shattered.
He should have died.
If he didn’t die then he should never have met Clara.
If he never met Clara she’d not have been able to protect him from dying.
His timeline is shattered and being eaten away.
Twelve forgetting how to fly the TARDIS is not a joke. Eleven didn’t say he’d remember himself just for nostalgia. It’s foreshadowing. The Doctor is collapsing in on himself. He’s forgetting things. He’s turning back into Eight.[/sp]
[QUOTE=Dazro;43318976]Doubt it. There's been a severe lack of characterization and backstory on Doctor Who for the last few years.[/QUOTE]
Well Series 8 is supposed to be totally different in style and tone from the Matt Smith era. Apparently darker and more akin to the classic era. Families and drama didn't fit in the the surreal twisted fairytale of the Smith-years. Moffat himself has said Time of the Doctor marks the end of an era.
Plus the leakers are all saying it's got the potential to be the best series in many years.
So I hold on to hope for lots of good changes coming.
[QUOTE=lintz;43319081]somehow i doubt it, since donna only had knowledge of a timelord, not the biology.
meta-crisis doctor is also not the 12th regen, regular tennant was.
[/QUOTE]
No, Tennant was technically the 11th regeneration, and that would have made Meta-Crisis doctor the 12th, and Smith the 13th and "final".
11th doctor regenerated into himself (12) and shunted the spare regeneration energy into his hand, which became 11.5.
Wouldn't River giving the doctor her regeneration energy technically give him more chances to regenerate?
either all of her regeneration energy was used to destroy the judas poison or it's a plot hole.
[U]Oh while we're on topic of things we want to change: [/U]
- A lot less scenes where aliens and monsters (like the Daleks) just sit and listen in silence and do nothing. The "they are scared" thing has gotten boring. In Series 5 it was a cool line when The Doctor said that monsters were afraid of him, but now it's just taken on a whole life of it's own.
- The Doctor has become overpowered to hell. People are scared of him because they remember him when it's convenient. People don't remember him when it's convenient. His screwdriver solves all the things. He's constantly worshiped as some great hero all over the universe. Or he's worshiped as some great destroyer all over the universe. Moffat is a man of extremes. Theres' never any subtlety.
- Also the whole wooden Cyberman thing was so obviously written because Moffat sat there and thought "a wooden monster should attack so The Doctor can lie about his screwdriver" instead of "there's a technology field and to get through it they send a Cyberman made of wood". This is made even more obvious by the fact the whole "technology field" doesn't make sense and appears from nowhere and then disappears conveniently. A Cyberman regardless of what it's made from is [I]still[/I] technology, if anything it's more impressive. Plus the technology field was only mentioned and necessary for that scene. The entire thing (like a lot of the perils in Moffat-Who) feels self contained.
Maybe spend more time writing yourself into holes that you have to really think your way out of than continuously writing things that are purely cool or scary and then trying to link them all together in a 45 minute episode.
- And feel free to make Strax stupid, but all Sontarans now? They're meant to be a savage war race who have been at war forever with another great race. They're now just a punchline. Infact a lot of monsters are laughed off these days instead of being recognised as genuine threats
One thing I can say Moffat-Who achieved is longevity. In 30 years when people buy a RTD-era DVD and a Moffat-era DVD they'll understand Moffat-era more. RTD was so contemporary, so wrapped up in pop culture and so reliant on connecting with what was a modern audience at the time. In 30 years that will be way more alien and confusing to a new viewer than anything we've had to wrap our heads around in the last 4 years.
It'll improve with age.
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[QUOTE=lintz;43319165]11th doctor regenerated into himself (12) and shunted the spare regeneration energy into his hand, which became 11.5.[/QUOTE]
Yeah pretty much.
Meta-criss hand has nothing to do with the regeneration limit, that was created by Donna.
when Tennant regenerated to heal from the Dalek wound he used up a regeneration. It's that simple. He just used the hand to keep the same face.
Moffat should do a video in which he looks to the camera and says..
"I AM the head writer... whether you like it... or not."
#MoffatStands
[QUOTE=Grizz;43319258]Moffat should do a video in which he looks to the camera and says..
"I AM the head writer... whether you like it... or not."
#MoffatStands[/QUOTE]
I really wouldn't be surprised if that video exists on his harddrive and he watches it as a pep talk every time his son hilariously points out a plothole (which according to his Twitter before he deleted it, happened).
Future head writer material right there
The thing I hate about Moffat is how he casually ignores continuity and how things have been established to work if he feels like it, and there are a lot of moments where stupid things happen and all I go is "this is moffat saying 'look look i'm doing a clever thing'" or "this stupid thing is happening because moffat thinks that it's dramatic".
So has anybody come up with a remotely sensible answer for who [sp]Clara's gran is other then River Song?[/sp]
Hello i am a woman that knows the doctor
Doctor lets make out
Moffat has really run its course. He had his good times, and his bad times, and I really hope Series 8 is his last and Capaldi gets a go with another showrunner.
[QUOTE=TraderRager;43319562]So has anybody come up with a remotely sensible answer for who [sp]Clara's gran is other then River Song?[/sp][/QUOTE]
Clara's gran.
I'll reserve judgement until I've watched Moffat Era Part 2
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