[QUOTE=Dazro;43319595]Clara's gran.[/QUOTE]
Then why does she [sp]know the doctor and play with her ring?[/sp]
This might sound idiotic of me to say but since Moffat took over, I started to dislike Doctor Who, when David said "timey wimey" it was funny, and he still explained things in later episodes, when Moffat came over he basically uses it all the time and doesn't explain anything, even when he does it is less than the Timey Wimey excuse, heck even The War Doctor pointed out how idiotic it sounded. The 11th Doctor uses his Screwdriver all the time, even when it isn't needed, and waves it around at people like a weapon, once again, The War Doctor pointed out how idiotic it was.
I still don't understand what the Silence is, and what they are doing, I think that is just me being stupid, so if anyone could tell me, that would be nice.
Also instead of having 2 part episodes, it's just 1 episode, except for Pandorica Opens/Big Bang and the 2 first episodes of Season 6, with 2 parters, you have more time to work on the story, rather than leaving plotholes everywhere in a 45 minute episode, I seriously think that there is at least 1 plothole in each episode since Moffat took over.
He started to get better from Series 7 Part 2, and so far it's my favorite series yet, I'd explain why I dislike River, Amy and Rory, I will just say it feels like they were used way to much, milking the characters basically.
His writing could also be a part of it due to the fact his writing on the 11th Doctor wasn't that good, I don't really like Matt, I use to really dislike him but 7 Part 2 changed my view on him.
Fez's also got used way to much, it was funny at first, then it just got really annoying. And like others said the enemies are less threatening anymore, the sontaran's look the same as Strax, could of at least put some effort into more designs, and they act stupid, they were smart in the previous episodes they were in, Strax is fine as a single character, but making his species the same as him isn't funny nor good. Heck even in the Pandorica Opens there was more than 1 design, and weren't dumb.
Also one thing I really dislike, 2 part seasons, how is that even good? I mean there isn't any point to it, there would be if it was so they could put more effort into the episodes, but it feels like they don't put any effort into even 1 episode, except for a couple.
Also bring back the Zygons for the 50th was a good idea, but it was done terribly, they just left them and never explained what happened next, are they still human, did they ever figure out who was which? Did they try and take over the Planet?
Besides that there is some stuff I did like that Moffat did.
Such as making it possible for Gallifrey to return along with the master, bringing an older actor to play the Doctor, and also talking about The Time War, got a bit more information about it. Also I did like how Matt did get older in the latest episode, infact I thought that was clever, my favorite scene is when the Clock is striking 12 and he is full of energy while regenerating.
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[QUOTE=TraderRager;43319620]Then why does she [sp]know the doctor and play with her ring?[/sp][/QUOTE]
It isn't stated she knows who he is.
The Fez was mostly Matt, Moffat destroyed the fez every chance he could to keep Matt from wearing it.
Is everything 11 wears on his head Matt's idea?
I must say - I'm enjoying the debate that the special has caused. It's less bye-bye Matt and more bye-bye Moffat.
[QUOTE]I accept that everyone has an opinion. I don't think many episodes of Doctor Who are ever perfect. And while some might have thought last nights episode was fantastic I also realise there are a thousand opinions in between and many people who genuinely hated it. Fine. That's great. Better to cause such fierce opinions all across the spectrum. Irrelevance is what should he feared.
But some of the comments made about the episode and Moffat in particular have astounded me in the last 24 hours to the extent I have stopped reading. I am sure its a minority but deary me they are vocal. I have seen it called the worst episode of TV of the year. Someone called it atrocious and that Moffat should be sacked. Some people are behaving as if it was a crime against Doctor Who. What nonsense.
Yes it wasn't perfect. But it was made with love and care and beautifully directed and acted. And even the story elements never always worked Moffat as always was full of imagination (possibly too much...I think his ideas push the budget and running time to the limit) and an obvious affection for the material. So even if the episode didn't work for some people lets be honest here...it wasn't bad TV. There is so much shit clogging up the airwaves these days. I'm not saying Doctor Who should get a free pass because it shouldn't but lets get things in perspective.
I loved RTD and Tennant. Almost as much as Moffat and Smith. But on social media alot of the hatred, the real bile seems to be coming from the very people who still wont let go of the old era. And how they have sharpened their knives. So Moffat would never have won whatever he did because for some people they cannot forgive that the show changed.
There are a vocal group on Twitter led by a few shouty types,..i wont name them as they deserve no credit...but they post constantly about the show all day every day and they spout such horrid things about the show and its current production team. Their 'biography' says 'We want our show back'. Pathetic. And laughable as they only started watching with Rose and Ten. Alas like intense music fans shows like DW attract alot of what RTD rightly called Ming Mongs. No wonder Moffat left Twitter.
So yes. Hate it if you must. But in a world where there is so much crap all over TV and things have never been so dumbed down I will never stop fighting the good fight in praise of a show like Doctor Who and an episode which even if you ignore all the other good points had two performances from Smith And Jenna that were among the best you will ever be lucky enough to see on a screen.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE]I personally think Moffat receives too much criticism. In my opinion, he's had more hits than misses. From 2010 onwards, The Eleventh Hour, Time of Angels/Flesh and Stone, The Pandorica Opens (statistically DS's favourite episode since 2005), The Impossible Astronaut/Day of the Moon, Asylum of the Daleks, Name of the Doctor and Day of the Doctor have been very well received. Then you have slightly more divisive episodes which seem to either loved or hated such as The Big Bang, A Good Man Goes to War, Let's Kill Hitler and The Angels Take Manhattan, a number of episodes which fandom seem to be mainly apathetic towards such as The Bells of Saint John and The Snowmen, and only very few episodes which attract a lot of criticism such as The Wedding of River Song, The Doctor, The Widow and The Wardrobe and Time of the Doctor.
And in my experience, people seem to forget that Moffat doesn't actually write every episode. On here I often see people blaming Moffat for episodes he didn't even write. Dinosaurs on a Spaceship and The Rings of Akhaten being recent examples. I've been told that he is responsible for the scripts which go on to make episodes, which is true, but if an episode which looked good on paper doesn't quite turn out the way he expected, he can hardly throw weeks of work in the rubbish tip. Equally, he can hardly be held responsible if he actually liked the script and it just so happened to not be to some viewers' tastes.
And then there's his work on Sherlock. A Study in Pink and Scandal in Belgravia are, in my opinion at least, some of the finest examples of television there have ever been.
So, yes, Moffat has his flaws, but at the end of the day the general consensus does appear to be mainly positive towards the episodes he had written and I do think he receives a little too much criticism.[/QUOTE]
Think about this for a second.
For the past few years the series have been split, correct? Think about this from what Moffat has had to write - only openers, closers and specials. He hasn't been able to write just a general episode for a long time and take it from me, he wants to. Luckily with Series 8 not being split, there's probably going to be room for that. No pressure on it being 100% amazing and fan pleasing and totally fantastic in every second - which makes it all the better when it [I]is[/I] perfect (see: Blink/The Doctor Dances/The Empty Child). :v:
The only reason Clara's grandmother likes the doctor is because he walked in naked and offered to play twister with her.
I missed the episode and I can't find it anywhere to record it on BBC America, and I just skipped the last ten pages to avoid spoilers. Does anyone have a link where I can watch it online?
Short regeneration
[sp]Giant fuckin' yellow light has nothing to do with the regeneration, nor Matt saying that it's taking longer than normal.[/sp]
[QUOTE=Xonax;43319628]It isn't stated she knows who he is.[/QUOTE]
Sheila Reid (Gran) also played Etta in Vengeance on Varos. It is a reference to that. She plays with her ring because I assume she had recently lost her husband (as this can be typical for people of that age)
I just realised how silly the Time Lords were. There were what, a 1000 ships or so in orbit around Gallifrey on the last day of the Time War? Just shoot 1000 Time Lords and have them Kamehameregeneration-ha the ships!?
[sp]wait didnt the daleks forgot who the doctor was, what happened, did they suddenly remember?[/sp]
i also kind of agree with the other posters in saying the aliens arent so scary now
the daleks went from making everyone cry when they broadcasted exterminate to going "doctor-senpai please no!"
"But now I wonder if Ten was so hesitant to go because he knew he was regenerating for the final time."
Saw this on /tv/ and now I don't hate 10's last words
also I hate how everyone has forgotten that the time lords were preparing to completely destroy the universe with the final sanction
[QUOTE=Ezhik;43320528]also I hate how everyone has forgotten that the time lords were preparing to completely destroy the universe with the final sanction[/QUOTE]
not the time lords, the high council, who were stated in Day of the Doctor & The End of Time to be completely mental and not indicative of Time Lord attitude at the time at all.
[QUOTE=lolwutdude;43320294][sp]wait didnt the daleks forgot who the doctor was, what happened, did they suddenly remember?[/sp][/QUOTE]
[sp]The daleks who take over Tasha state that they 'harvested' their information about the doctor from her body.[/sp]
I am sorry but whenever I see people whinging about Moffat putting in continuity issues in the show and leaving in a couple of plot holes here and there i just roll my eyes and scroll to the next post, its such a whingy fanboy topic
I like to think that the reason he didn't become Capaldi on the tower is because the regenerative energy that was given to him healed his body whilst giving him a new set, and that the energy from River reacted against it, causing the explosion of energy that killed the Daleks, but also causing fatal damage to the Doctor, forcing him to regenerate. He simply waited to say goodbye to Clara, sort of like Ten postponing it to get his "reward".
[QUOTE=ElectronicG19;43320541]not the time lords, the high council, who were stated in Day of the Doctor & The End of Time to be completely mental and not indicative of Time Lord attitude at the time at all.[/QUOTE]
But they are still there, so what is the doctor supposed to do about that?
That clock-tower scene; I almost wish he said his goodbye to Clara first, then climbed the tower and shot the Dalek ship down. Those would have been epic last words - and I don't say epic in its overused-internet-meme context. He climbs to the tower, thanks Clara for saving him, winds his arms up like a badass and taunts the Daleks with "Love from Gallifrey, boys!"
It would have been [I]epic[/I].
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Although, rewatching that last scene, it was a very sweet send-off. Both are good, I really enjoyed that episode and I'll miss Matt.
[sp]I find it really funny that Smith's doctor regenerated due to old age. Considering he was so young when he was cast and all.[/sp]
[QUOTE=lintz;43319106]I saw a very interesting theory on tumblr today, which if it actually happened would let me completely forgive moffat (but it won't)
[sp]The Doctor’s timeline is shattered.
He should have died.
If he didn’t die then he should never have met Clara.
If he never met Clara she’d not have been able to protect him from dying.
His timeline is shattered and being eaten away.
Twelve forgetting how to fly the TARDIS is not a joke. Eleven didn’t say he’d remember himself just for nostalgia. It’s foreshadowing. The Doctor is collapsing in on himself. He’s forgetting things. He’s turning back into Eight.[/sp][/QUOTE]
That is genius, I love that theory.
Could return Paul Mcgann for an Episode or 2.
But one thing, how is he turning back into Eight?
Wouldn't he just turn back into an earlier 11? Or at least, 10?
[QUOTE=Xonax;43322060]That is genius, I love that theory.
Could return Paul Mcgann for an Episode or 2.
But one thing, how is he turning back into Eight?
Wouldn't he just turn back into an earlier 11? Or at least, 10?[/QUOTE]
I think he just means he's forgetting stuff just like 8 had amnesia just after his regeneration.
I think there's a definite point to it and I imagine it's not going to be a temporary thing, given 11's whole speech about remembering who he's been.
It does seem like it pretty much undoes all of the huge recent character developments that 11 went through though if it is permanent
Pretty sure the David Tennent doctor had amnesia at the start as well, doesn't seem like a major plot point to me.
Yeah they usually always have amnesia to an extent.
Finished it last night wow Matt smith i have to say was "my" Doctor going to miss his energy and bubblyness.
i remember him being announced when i was in a hotel just outside of Warrington visiting family.
I remember defending him on facebook and saying how good he looked
I also remember how good eleventh hour was. Classic doctor who episode
I remember hating him but kept it to myself. After a month I started getting excited by the idea of a new Doctor.
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