[sp] Just worked out why the soldier figure was significant to the doctor a great soldier doesnt need a weapon[/sp]
How many seasons will we have peter for?
[QUOTE=Lexinator;45977191][sp] Just worked out why the soldier figure was significant to the doctor a great soldier doesnt need a weapon[/sp]
How many seasons will we have peter for?[/QUOTE]
I'm calling two. I want three but he's getting on a bit and the schedule is gruelling.
I dunno, I'd think 3. Moffat said something about the next season ending on a big cliffhanger and i think it being a regeneration would just be a bit unimaginative and boring really.
When he was announced I'd have said one or two. Now? I'd guess four.
[QUOTE=Freeze;45977318]When he was announced I'd have said one or two. Now? I'd say four.[/QUOTE]
Four series confirmed.
Would be nice to get that fourth, I suppose. But I wouldn't be surprised if The Doctor has to regenerate in a standalone special, now.
[QUOTE=ElectronicG19;45971063]One of Rupert's mates messing around. The "Listen" on the blackboard at the beginning was written by the Doctor but he forgot.
Everything to do with the "monster" in this episode can be explained by lines of dialogue spoken by Clara, adding the rational view. The Doctor was just being driven to believe it absolutely by his childhood fear. Fucking perfection.[/QUOTE]
But if something was so [I]good [/I]at hiding then there would be 'rational' explanations. There's even an explanation for The Doctor having the dream.
I think it's left intentionally vague. All the characters accept it didn't exist. But there's the possibility it did. That's terrifying.
That episode was great up until that bit with the barn.
Fucking stupid-ass feel good speech and jerking the audience around, grumble grumble.
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[QUOTE=Dan2593;45977941]But if something was so [I]good [/I]at hiding then there would be 'rational' explanations. There's even an explanation for The Doctor having the dream.
I think it's left intentionally vague. All the characters accept it didn't exist. But there's the possibility it did. That's terrifying.[/QUOTE]
I'm going with this and giving a hidden two fingers to anyone saying otherwise.
[QUOTE=ElectronicG19;45977203]I'm calling two. I want three but he's getting on a bit and the schedule is gruelling.[/QUOTE]
"But Oh, God, God, they make me feel ninety – and treat me as if I was 106" - Alec Guiness on the way people treat him in Star Wars. He was 62.
Capaldi will last fine if he wants to. I put at least 4 to his name.
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[QUOTE=DiscoInferno;45977945]That episode was great up until that bit with the barn.
Fucking stupid-ass feel good speech and jerking the audience around, grumble grumble.[/QUOTE]
I liked the bit with the barn. I'd have preferred the reference to War to be left a [I]bit[/I] more vague. The speech was based around a line of dialogue from the First Doctor too.
[QUOTE=Dan2593;45977966]I liked the bit with the barn. I'd have preferred the reference to War to be left a [I]bit[/I] more vague. The speech was based around a line of dialogue from the First Doctor too.[/QUOTE]I know that as fans we get it but even [I]with[/I] the War Doctor flashback there's still a chunk of people that didn't get that A. It was the Doctor as a child and B. That it was the same barn.
I think a vague reference would lose the audience less than the shot of Hurt. The casual audience could gloss over it and not really pick up on it. But a lot of casual people would've forgot Hurt was The Doctor, despite it being recent. It was only really important to us.
They could've used the shot of the three in the barn but there risks overshadowing Capaldi's debut with Smith.
I'm sad only 4.8 million people saw this Doctor Who masterclass
[QUOTE=Dan2593;45978108]I'm sad only 4.8 million people saw this Doctor Who masterclass[/QUOTE]
Now now, it was good, but it was no [i]masterclass[/i] it's far better then most episodes we've had recently but it is by no means a masterclass.
[QUOTE=Chrisordie;45978259]Now now, it was good, but it was no [i]masterclass[/i] it's far better then most episodes we've had recently but it is by no means a masterclass.[/QUOTE]
Honestly it's my favourite episode of Nu-Who. I can't think of an episode that examines the characters better and it was pretty scary. The scene with the bed sheet was terrifying to me.
I hope John Hurt comes back and does a few Big Finish audios when they get the Nu-Who license in a couple of years, but I don't really see it happening. I see Ecclestone doing some though.
eccleston will do it when he's 80 and realizes the impact of doctor who on himself and on others
[QUOTE=Freeze;45978519]eccleston will do it when he's 80 and realizes the impact of doctor who on himself and on others[/QUOTE]
So he'll be this generation's Tom Baker?
[QUOTE=Mio Akiyama;45978526]So he'll be this generation's Tom Baker?[/QUOTE]exactly
except more grumpy (about the show) and less loved
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imagine if it was david tennant who didn't like doctor who, it'd be awful!
[QUOTE=ElectronicG19;45978322]Honestly it's my favourite episode of Nu-Who. I can't think of an episode that examines the characters better and it was pretty scary. The scene with the bed sheet was terrifying to me.[/QUOTE]
I dunno I've always thought that 'Dalek' was a better character study of The Doctor, the role of the Companion and The Dalek(s) as it did something with The Doctor that wasn't just cooked up for the sake of the episode; In 'Dalek' they showed the Doctor actually hating the Daleks to the point of breaking his rule on not killing anything, up to that point it was more of a bitter aggravation in that it was out and out psychotic rage.
I like the setup to this episode, I like the idea to it but it really amounts to very little for me.
In this episode The Doctor is driven manic (but when is he never?) by 'something', not a specific 'thing' or anything that has been hinted at or signified at a prior point in the character's history which make it seem to just exist so we can say in the pre' show blurb that 'the doctor is going to face his greatest fear!' -or words to that effect- and what we are then met with is just a 'thing' which may or may not exist or ever be fully explored other than as an excuse to have that bit at the end.
I myself did not find it scary as it was just constant build and tension all in service -seemingly- of nothing, well bar setting up the ending, it's like someone starting a joke and stopping before the punchline.
There are no stakes, there is no jeopardy, it's just really The Doctor and Clara chasing shadows, we don't learn anything new, and anything that is learnt is solved almost completely during that episode. All we learn is [sp]The Doctor had a nightmare as a child, the nightmare it's self has not effected him really since until now and it was Clara who caused it, oh, and the reason why The Doctor is a pacifist is because he as given a toy soldier without a gun. Personally I hate when the show dives into it's own mythology like this as Doctor Who is better the less we know about The Doctor and his history, he's supposed to be a mysterious stranger, knowing effectively what set him down the path he follows really takes a chunk out of that mystery.[/sp]
All in all it's just watching The Doctor having a funny turn and going a little mad, he goes on a journey that -seemingly- goes nowhere. But sure, yeah, this is more a character driven piece, and what we get of Clara and Mr. Pink I think is great, their relationship in this is growing nicely and they make for a good couple and I hope to see more of them on screen together, in relation to The Doctor we didn't really learn much [sp]bar the bit in the barn which bar a flashback at the end of the series or when Clara eventually leaves will never be referenced ever again[/sp] and he didn't really change or develop as a character he ends the episode much as he started, even though it feels as though the point of the episode is that that should be the case.
The chances are are that this will be built upon and explored some more in the final episode or so but for now it just feels like filler to me, great filler, but filler nonetheless.
Dude nothing in Doctor Who is filler. Every episode is a self contained story, with the odd series arc and two parter. Classic Who never had any running stories apart from the villains returning. You can't really call any episode filler. This is, to me, Moffat's greatest story and he did it without any gimmicky aliens which is what he usually falls back on.
That episode was absolute buttholes in my opinion.
the scene in the restaurant actually had me wanting to end my life with the nearest sharpest implement.
[QUOTE=Cloak Raider;45978805]That episode was absolute buttholes in my opinion.
the scene in the restaurant actually had me wanting to end my life with the nearest sharpest implement.[/QUOTE]
how does it feel to have a wrong opinion?
EDIT: Clara is a huuuuuuge bitch to Danny, dunno why he gives her a second chance. That remark about him killing children actually meaning something was fucking terrible, and then when Danny tries to defend himself she goes off on one. Terrible. She shouldn't be liked.
[QUOTE=ElectronicG19;45978817]how does it feel to have a wrong opinion?[/QUOTE]
feels almost as bad as watching an entire episode literally about clanking noises and ~2spooky~ ghost sheets
if only writers had mastered the art of tension like steven 'set all scary dr who episodes in a mansion surrounded by fog' moffat.
lest me forget the character of the soldier man who was a soldier don't you know don't mention anything to do with war because he fought in one don't you know *sheds single tear*[I] so deep oh my[/I]
[QUOTE=Cloak Raider;45978837]feels almost as bad as watching an entire episode literally about clanking noises and ~2spooky~ ghost sheets
if only writers had mastered the art of tension like steven 'set all scary dr who episodes in a mansion surrounded by fog' moffat.[/QUOTE]
You are wrong
[QUOTE=ElectronicG19;45978802]Dude nothing in Doctor Who is filler. Every episode is a self contained story, with the odd series arc and two parter. Classic Who never had any running stories apart from the villains returning. You can't really call any episode filler. This is, to me, Moffat's greatest story and he did it without any gimmicky aliens which is what he usually falls back on.[/QUOTE]
In regards the 'Promised Land' story arch that we are in it certainly feels like filler.
And Classic Who did have running stories The E-Space Trilogy, Trial of a Timelord, The Key to Time all story arcs that took place over several stories and seeing as stories in Classic Who were comprised of up to 13 episode at most thats some rather long story arcs.
[QUOTE=Chrisordie;45978858]In regards the 'Promised Land' story arch that we are in it certainly feels like filler.
And Classic Who did have running stories The E-Space Trilogy, Trial of a Timelord, The Key to Time all story arcs that took place over several stories and seeing as stories in Classic Who were comprised of up to 13 episode at most thats some rather long story arcs.[/QUOTE]
Yeah but they were more like series arcs than something like, say, Breaking Bad, which has one story throughout the entirety of it's run. It's impossible to have filler in Doctor Who.
[QUOTE=ElectronicG19;45978873]Yeah but they were more like series arcs than something like, say, Breaking Bad, which has one story throughout the entirety of it's run. It's impossible to have filler in Doctor Who.[/QUOTE]
You can if it adds nothing to that series' story arc which ever series we've had since Who came back has had.
'Love and Monsters' adds nothing to that series' story arc but it's there, they do try to cover it at times by adding references to that series' story arc to guest written episodes (see the monitor in Robot Hood, no one mentions The Promised Land yet the monitor says that's where they are heading even though they are supposed to be going to London), this one -for the time being- sits oddly amongst it all with no connection.
While it may not be filler in the literal sense, for what impact it has it sure feels like that.
[QUOTE=Cloak Raider;45978805]the scene in the restaurant actually had me wanting to end my life with the nearest sharpest implement.[/QUOTE]
i wish you had so i wouldn't have had to read this garbage
[sp]jk don't kill yourself just get a better opinion[/sp]
I myself like the bit in the restaurant it felt the most real a relationship and exchange I think I've seen in Who, possibly full stop, a nice counterpoint to the tear down the cheek bit from the first episode that Mr. Pink was introduced in, I mean really, the pauses were enough in that to show that he was troubled the tear bit was overkill.
[QUOTE=Chrisordie;45979083]I myself like the bit in the restaurant it felt the most real a relationship and exchange I think I've seen in Who, possibly full stop, a nice counterpoint to the tear down the cheek bit from the first episode that Mr. Pink was introduced in, I mean really, the pauses were enough in that to show that he was troubled the tear bit was overkill.[/QUOTE]
I can't wait for Mr. Blue, Mr. Brown, Mr. Blonde, Mr. White and Mr. Orange to become characters in the show.
Absolutely loved this episode, fantastic.
Also Time Heist Doctor Who/Payday 2 crossover confirmed 100% confirmed
[QUOTE=ElectronicG19;45979334]I can't wait for Mr. Blue, Mr. Brown, Mr. Blonde, Mr. White and Mr. Orange to become characters in the show.[/QUOTE]
Didn't we have Ms. Blue (or something similar) in the 'Into The Dalek' episode?
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