So, the finale's going to be the first two-parter since Rebel Flesh / The Almost People, three and a half years ago.
[QUOTE=TheRealRudy;46329781]This episode had and left [B]ALOT[/B] of plotholes.[/QUOTE]
On the subject of plotholes, shouldn't the trees have left potholes?
I personally didn't find the episode utterly awful. Yes it was really poor, but it wasn't full retard Kill the Moon. The one thing that utterly annoyed me was the same thing that Kill the Moon annoyed me with - the 'magical thing' that was always there all the time and utterly changes what the Earth is. So now Earth has MAGIC FOREST THINGS and A SPACE DRAGON FOR A MOON. They're MASSIVE changes that happened in only one season. AND they're awful ideas too.
Is Moffat really THAT desperate for scripts that these were chosen?
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Jesus Freeze what's your dad up to this time
I quite liked the episode, but there were a few niggles with it.
[QUOTE=ElectronicG19;46329361]Alright I haven't watched the episode yet but from the next time trailer I've updated my Missy theory.
She's an offshoot of Clara that went wrong somehow, the Clara that is travelling with the Doctor is the younger Missy offshoot. The real Clara died on Trenzalore in the s7 finale.[/QUOTE]
Wait,the whole time stream thing dint give the clara clones all of her memories
I mean they do have clara's personality and look like her but they are still diffrent people (river even said that) living in a diffrent time and place
mfw river song is clara
[QUOTE=Nibroc;46329860]mfw river song is clara[/QUOTE]
I'll have clawed my face off.
[QUOTE=Grizz;46329895]I'll have clawed my face off.[/QUOTE]
"if you're not real, clara, then who are you!"
elongated silence
"spoilers ;)"
And we've actually reached page 420, I'm impressed.
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I don't like "time can be rewritten." Just hearing that phrase has me worrying about the finale.
[QUOTE=Grizz;46329925]I don't like "time can be rewritten." Just hearing that phrase has me worrying about the finale.[/QUOTE]
Wasn't that said in that A Christmas Carol episode.
[QUOTE=MrEndangered;46329806]Is Moffat really THAT desperate for scripts that these were chosen?[/QUOTE]You say that as if the writers write an entire script and then Moffat choses one, which he doesn't.
From Moffat's perspective if someone (an experienced writer no less) came to you and pitched the idea 'London is covered in trees one day' you'd probably do the same thing and jump at it.
[QUOTE=Grizz;46329727]FOR THE RETURN OF GRANNY OSWALD
[img]http://www.doctorwhotv.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/time-of-the-doctor-extended-bbca-trailer-7.jpg[/img][/QUOTE]
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I love me some Granny Oswald!
Okay, initial thoughts:
It was a perfectly functional episode, which is to say it got from point a to point b without the broadcast cutting out or the cameraman falling over. There were too many characters, some moments felt totally unnecessary and as a whole it felt like a CBBC show, it did not anger me like kill the moon though with that said I felt nothing towards it positive or negative.
If the lesser episodes to me are still stronger than 90% of the last few years.
I liked it. But it could've been better. I still like the "have a mystery to solve, solve it, have a moral dilemma to debate" approach. It felt really forced here. It just jumped about a lot.
Next week looks... impossible to judge. I hope it's straightforward. I don't think the whole Clara-timeline thing will be relevant. That storyline is done. To bring it back now would be casting an obnoxious shadow over Capaldi's first series. It was all wrapped up and explained! It's done.
But it raises the question... who was Clara before she met the Doctor? What if she was a trap from the very start.
[editline]25th October 2014[/editline]
[QUOTE=Jamsponge;46329329]Finally! I've been annoyed for ages about [sp]why Clara is still here when her jumping into the Doctor's timestream established that she should only be here when the Doctor's life needs saving, and then she disappears.[/sp] At the moment, it's looking like the people who thought [sp]Clara and Missy are the same person[/sp] may well be correct.[/QUOTE]
No you've misunderstood.
All the other Claras are only there to save his life from Great Intelligence. The Clara travelling with The Doctor now is the original. She doesn't exist to save The Doctor. She's a person who just happened to be cloned and scattered through time.
[QUOTE=DiscoInferno;46330052]Wasn't that said in that A Christmas Carol episode.[/QUOTE]
Forest of the Dead
A Christmas Carol
Flesh and Stone
Lets Kill Hitler
The Wedding of River Song
The Angels Take Manhattan
(& now) Dark Water
If the real Clara truly is a puppet that would explain why the TARDIS didn't like her in S7.
[QUOTE=Dan2593;46330289]If the lesser episodes to me are still stronger than 90% of the last few years.
I liked it. But it could've been better. I still like the "have a mystery to solve, solve it, have a moral dilemma to debate" approach. It felt really forced here. It just jumped about a lot.
Next week looks... impossible to judge. I hope it's straightforward. I don't think the whole Clara-timeline thing will be relevant. That storyline is done. To bring it back now would be casting an obnoxious shadow over Capaldi's first series. It was all wrapped up and explained! It's done.
But it raises the question... who was Clara before she met the Doctor? What if she was a trap from the very start.
[editline]25th October 2014[/editline]
No you've misunderstood.
All the other Claras are only there to save his life from Great Intelligence. The Clara travelling with The Doctor now is the original. She doesn't exist to save The Doctor. She's a person who just happened to be cloned and scattered through time.[/QUOTE]
But the process killed her, didn't it? Like, that was the whole point? The Great Intelligence jumped into the Doctor's timestream, killing itself, and then Clara sacrificed herself to save the Doctor. If that sacrifice essentially meant 'you had to jump in a portal and now you're fine again!!!', then it wasn't really a sacrifice.
Additionally- I thought by 'events that are in flux', the Doctor meant relatively small, insignificant things like a single person's life? Obviously, over time that is going to have a larger effect, but the obliteration of Earth would have wide-reaching effects on the universe with immediate effect, not to mention causing an obscene amount of paradoxes and probably fucking up the Doctor's own timeline.
[editline]26th October 2014[/editline]
For instance- Captain Jack Harkness is a fixed point in time. He was born in the 51st Century, on Earth. If Earth had been destroyed, how would he have come into existence? The time stream would be royally fucked, Reapers would shit their pants with the new workflow, and the Doctor would probably become his own dad or something.
Oh wait, of course. Here's my updated theory that I'm pretty sure makes sense.
Missy somehow rewrites time and makes Clara evil (as well as just generally rewriting her entire existence) hence 'time can be rewritten' and 'Clara Oswald never existed'. At the end of the finale the Doctor fixes this meaning all of Clara's character development wasn't for nothing. This also explains why the TARDIS didn't like her because it could sense both timelines.
[QUOTE=Freeze;46330530]Oh wait, of course. Here's my updated theory that I'm pretty sure makes sense.
Missy somehow rewrites time and makes Clara evil (as well as just generally rewriting her entire existence) hence 'time can be rewritten' and 'Clara Oswald never existed'. At the end of the finale the Doctor fixes this meaning all of Clara's character development wasn't for nothing. This also explains why the TARDIS didn't like her because it could sense both timelines.[/QUOTE]
might be a very good say
if she was the one that went back to save the doctor all those times
the world would be fucked if she didnt
[QUOTE=Jamsponge;46330412]But the process killed her, didn't it? Like, that was the whole point? The Great Intelligence jumped into the Doctor's timestream, killing itself, and then Clara sacrificed herself to save the Doctor. If that sacrifice essentially meant 'you had to jump in a portal and now you're fine again!!!', then it wasn't really a sacrifice.[/QUOTE]
No it didn't kill her.
But The Doctor jumps in his timeline to find and save Clara who has somehow survived jumping into the timeline and ended up in a physical tangible timeline. He then gets her out. Somehow. No idea how. It's never explained again. Something to do with a leaf.
But from that point Clara is totally normal and fine. She's just a normal young woman doing her thing.
[QUOTE=Nibroc;46330555]might be a very good say
if she was the one that went back to save the doctor all those times
the world would be fucked if she didnt[/QUOTE]Not just that, but ALL the times she's saved the world with the Doctor. Especially this series with people calling it 'Clara Who' now it would all make sense. It would explain why she's had such a lead role this series - to make it all the more important when she's gone.
[QUOTE=Dan2593;46330558]No it didn't kill her.
But The Doctor jumps in his timeline to find and save Clara who has somehow survived jumping into the timeline and ended up in a physical tangible timeline. He then gets her out. Somehow. No idea how. It's never explained again. Something to do with a leaf.
But from that point Clara is totally normal and fine. She's just a normal young woman doing her thing.[/QUOTE]
Really? I must have forgot that part- although I do remember the leaf from an earlier episode.
[QUOTE=Jamsponge;46330643]Really? I must have forgot that part- although I do remember the leaf from an earlier episode.[/QUOTE]
Yeah that's where they see the old John Hurt incarnation and we get the whole "INTRODUCING JOHN HURT AS THE DOCTOR". Then Clara passes out (why?) and it just ends with no explanation of how they escape.
[QUOTE=Dan2593;46330727](why?)[/QUOTE]I'd assume being splintered across hundreds of different parts of time would really take it out of you.
[QUOTE=TheRealRudy;46330168]So, my personal ratings of Series 8 so far;
Deep Breath: 9.5/10
Into the Dalek: 8/10
Robot of Sherwood: 7.5/10
Listen 10/10
Time Heist: 6.5/10
The Caretaker: 7/10
Kill The Moon: 5.5/10
Mummy on the Orient Express: 9/10
Flatline: 9/10
In the Forest of the Night: 5/10
Dark Water / Death in Heaven: Hopefully 12/10?
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I'm really enjoying this series, but some of these episodes feel so rushed or just badly written.
I still enjoyed these lesser episodes, but mostly because of the preformance of Capaldi.[/QUOTE]
Flatline was honestly, 10/10 for me, the writing was just so fucking refreshing, with backstory characters who have actual personality! Like the train conductor: "I've always wanted to ram something"
-snip i fucked up, and the episode was alright i guess-
The opening shots of the next time trailer look so similar to the Doctor's timestream it surely can't be a coincidence. Right?
[sp]Maybe the episode ends with Eccleston or McGann coming out to help.[/sp] :v:
So I tried that Doctor and the Dalek CBBC game, and for some reason Capaldi says "Fantastic!" a whole bunch.
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