I just noticed the weapon Missy used on Doctor Chang looks quite similar to the case with the dream patches which Clara picks up at the beginning of the episode, it is a similar size and has the two circular bits in the same place.
[QUOTE=Xonax;46404830]So you are telling me that the Mondas Cybermen, the original Cybermen, the same Cybermen we've had for around 50 years, that the new ones are based on, are not "true" cybermen?[/QUOTE]
No, not at all. I'm saying that they introduced a new sort of choreography, and it's pretty iconic. I thought that should be really how a cyberman walks along with the metal sound. I'm not saying they're not true cybermen from the first doctor who seasons, I'm saying that the new ones don't hold up to the way the 'modern' choreography is going
[QUOTE=verynicelady;46406040]I just noticed the weapon Missy used on Doctor Chang looks quite similar to the case with the dream patches which Clara picks up at the beginning of the episode, it is a similar size and has the two circular bits in the same place.[/QUOTE]
I noticed the hilt of her umbrella looks eerily similar to the Tissue Compression Eliminator..
I like Kate Stewart being around. She's been in like 2 stories but served on screen with three Doctors so far. Soon to be four.
I wish we had her around more. It ties the show together nicely whenever she is visited. I'd have preferred Deep Breath to involve her than Vastra & Co. Because she's been on screen with David it makes it feel like she's been around much longer for some reason.
How splendid that this saturday is UNIT and The Doctor trying to stop The Master's scheme.
The critics will be watching Death in Heaven today and the Cardiff screening is tonight... be aware.
I did see a reassuring tweet about there being [sp]no timey wimey dream nonsense[/sp]
[QUOTE=Covalent;46406090]No, not at all. I'm saying that they introduced a new sort of choreography, and it's pretty iconic. I thought that should be really how a cyberman walks along with the metal sound. I'm not saying they're not true cybermen from the first doctor who seasons, I'm saying that the new ones don't hold up to the way the 'modern' choreography is going[/QUOTE]
The Cybus Cybermen were 90% robotic with 10% human, the bit of flesh in the C symbol on their chest and the brain, so of course they would have a metal sound, it's because the pistons are moving and it is more stiff, but the mondas cybermen that we have today, they still have a human skeleton, in fact the robot parts replaced human parts, while the cybus cybermen just removed the brain and flesh and moved them into a metal exoskeletons. In the Tenth Planet, the Cybermens first appearance, they still had biological human hands, and some people say that the weird rag over their head is a bit of their biological face covered up.
From [url]http://tardis.wikia.com/wiki/Cyber-conversion[/url] (Mondas)
(TV: Attack of the Cybermen) Partial conversion, with the victim retaining autonomy and a human identity and body parts, was possible. (TV: The Invasion)
The Mondas Cybermen could be 1% Robot and 99% human, 50/50, or around 90% (I assume 90 is the limit since they would need a type of Skeleton.
Also yes, I know that there was a cyberman from Pandorica opens and the one where that guy from the lodger gets converted (body inside the case), but it isn't clear on what one it is, as the C Symbol on the chest isn't visible, and the symbol represents Cybus, some people theorize that it is the Mondas Cybermen which can also be backed up due to the fact later on the Mondas and Cybus cybermen meet and they merge their groups together, sharing knowledge of each other. That is how we got the Cybermen from Nightmare in Silver, which are the same ones we still have.
[url]http://tardis.wikia.com/wiki/Cyberma...ecified_origin[/url]
According to comments made in The Brilliant Book 2012, the Cybermen of the Cyber Legions were the original Mondasian versions because, despite having the Cybus-style suits, they lacked the "C" logo on their chest. If so, the Cybus Industries Cybermen joined the Alliance and the Cybermen that have appeared since then (without the "C" logos) are the Mondasian models.
No fictional source has given a clarification, and the matter is made all the more complicated by the fact that the Cyber Legions Cybermen have displayed characteristics of both the Mondasian and Cybus Cybermen, as stated in the overview above.
Basically what I am saying, the Cybus were more heavier and had more Robotic movement, stiff and strong, with two bits of Human in them while the Mondas were lighter and had less-robotic movement because they had more Human remains in them. And since they (probably did due to the cyber-wars, see below) met together and kinda ended up merging together in Nightmare of Silver, they were 50/50 of each other.
Summary
The Cybus Cybermen were more restricted and more Robotic due to the fact they only had the Brain and a bit of Flesh in the Cybus Symbol on their chest.
The Mondas Cybermen could be 1% Robot and 99% human, 50/50, or around 90% (I assume 90 is the limit since they would need a type of Skeleton.
(After that I just go on about some history and Theories about the Mondas and Cybus Cybermen, read it if you want, it kinda adds to the main post)
[url]http://tardis.wikia.com/wiki/Cyberma...ecified_origin[/url]
Neil Gaiman, writer of The Doctor's Wife in Series 6 and Nightmare in Silver in Series 7, has stated in an interview[1] that he believed the Cybermen in the "'Tom Baker' universe" had all but died out. That left the Cybus Cybermen who had escaped the Void and ended up in Victorian London, and were sent into the Time Vortex at the end of The Next Doctor. Rather than be disintegrated as Jackson Lake predicted, they were scattered through time and space and eventually encountered the remnants of the Mondasian Cybermen, "and there was some cross-breeding and interchange of technology, which is why you then get the ones that look like, but actually aren't, the Cybus Cybermen." This is despite the fact that all of the Cybermen in The Next Doctor were seen to be blown to bits by Mercy Hartigan, unless there were more deeper within the CyberKing. However, Gaiman includes no reference to this theory in Nightmare in Silver.
I know this is his theory, but I thought it was interesting.
[url]http://tardis.wikia.com/wiki/Cyberma...ind_the_scenes[/url]
Neil Gaiman has stated[1] that he has the theory that at one point, the Cybus Cybermen encountered the Mondasian/Telosian Cybermen and the two races merged into one, explaining why, in Series 5 and Series 6, the Cybermen share characteristics of both the originals and the Cybus versions. It may also explain why the Cybus Cybermen appear in the ice tombs on Telos (in The Mazes of Time) and why the Cybermen have connections with Mondas Cybermen in the past but have the Cybus design (in Assimilation²). This merged Cyber race is implied in Gaiman's Series 7 episode Nightmare in Silver where the Cyber-suits of two Cybus Cybermen are seen and said to have been found after the Cyber-Wars (a Mondasian Cyberman conflict) along with the suit of a Cyberman of the Cyber Legions. However, no explicit confirmation of this theory is given in the episode.
[url]http://tardis.wikia.com/wiki/Cyber-Wars[/url]
This explains it a bit more, the history of the cybermen that we got in Nightmare in Silver, it involves Cybus and Mondas.
[QUOTE=Dan2593;46406153]I like Kate Stewart being around. She's been in like 2 stories but served on screen with three Doctors so far. Soon to be four.
I wish we had her around more. It ties the show together nicely whenever she is visited. I'd have preferred Deep Breath to involve her than Vastra & Co. Because she's been on screen with David it makes it feel like she's been around much longer for some reason.
How splendid that this saturday is UNIT and The Doctor trying to stop The Master's scheme.[/QUOTE]
I, like the DWTV team, hope that Missy is engaging Kate is hand-to-hand combat :v:
I just assume they're all Mondas now which have decided to put C's on their chests.
[QUOTE=Grizz;46406173]The critics will be watching Death in Heaven today and the Cardiff screening is tonight... be aware.
I did see a reassuring tweet about there being [sp]no timey wimey dream nonsense[/sp][/QUOTE]
My dick is safe for another year
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[QUOTE=Dan2593;46406402]I just assume they're all Mondas now which have decided to put C's on their chests.[/QUOTE]
Yeah, from Pandorica Opens onwards I just assume they're all Mondasian that have merged their tech with Pete's World
[QUOTE=Dan2593;46406402]I just assume they're all Mondas now which have decided to put C's on their chests.[/QUOTE]
I don't see any C's on their chests, not all of them at least, like in The Next Doctor and Pandorica Opens, some have C's, some doesn't. But the new ones from Nightmare in Silver doesn't have any symbol on their chest.
[QUOTE=ElectronicG19;46406423]
Yeah, from Pandorica Opens onwards I just assume they're all Mondasian that have merged their tech with Pete's World[/QUOTE]
Yeah so do I, like I said on the last page, there is a lot of information backing up that they merged their tech with Pete's. So yeah I like to think that they brought back the Mondas Cybermen, which is fantastic.
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Oh cool, I didn't notice they changed the site.
[url]http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b006q2x0[/url]
I wonder if they are going to resolve the eyebrows we saw in Day of the Doctor?
[QUOTE=Ezhik;46406561]I wonder if they are going to resolve the eyebrows we saw in Day of the Doctor?[/QUOTE]There's pretty much three options for that that would be most appropriate at this point:
1. They address it in 'Death in Heaven'.
2. They address it in Capaldi's final episode, whenever that is.
3. (most likely) They never address it.
I just noticed during a rewatch of The Sound of Drums that The Doctor says he can spot The Master just by looking at him, "I'll know him, the moment I see him, Timelords always do". So why didn't The Doctor spot The Master this time around? Actually important plot point or the writers forgetting their own stories/being lazy/ignoring it for the sake of ~plot twist~?
The Doctor has encountered Time Lords before and not recognised instantly. Just a contradiction which can be overlooked in a show full of them.
Yeah he's looked at The Master countless times in the past and has not even recognised him.
I think in that specific example The Doctor was actively [I]looking[/I] for The Master. He knows him so well that if he saw him he would've just known due to familiarity. In the case of Missy he wasn't looking or even expecting The Master.
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I hope this hasn't been posted.
[QUOTE=Freeze;46406599]There's pretty much three options for that that would be most appropriate at this point:
1. They address it in 'Death in Heaven'.
2. They address it in Capaldi's final episode, whenever that is.
3. (most likely) They never address it.[/QUOTE]
I'm sure they do something if they're planning to revisit the Gallifrey arc while Capaldi's around.
[url]https://twitter.com/PCJ_PCJonathan[/url]
This guy has seen the finale. Gives some hints about Seb and something else. Not posting quotes incase you want to go in totally blind.
clearly seb is william hartnell in disguise
[url=http://www.radiotimes.com/episode/c7qvc4/doctor-who--series-8---12-death-in-heaven]Radio Times Listing[/url]
Do..Do you guys think Peter will continue into the next season? And that he isn't regenerating this season?
actual prediction: seb is a timelord (or at the very least a gallifreyan)
[QUOTE=Freeze;46407218]actual prediction: seb is a timelord (or at the very least a gallifreyan)[/QUOTE]
If the reveal is Amazing and will shock us like that twitter guy said, it is probably someone we know, but since this actor didn't play in the show before, Seb is either, a Timelord, a person from a species we know that can also change, or they changed his appearance in the nethersphere.
[I]Of course![/I]
Seb was hiding in plain site all along.. it all makes sense now that we know the Cybermen are in the finale!
Seb is [sp]handles[/sp].
[QUOTE=Freeze;46407218]actual prediction: seb is a timelord (or at the very least a gallifreyan)[/QUOTE]
Would make a lot of sense. Highly unlikely that The Master would be the [I]only[/I] timelord to be able to return.
[QUOTE=Xonax;46407173]Do..Do you guys think Peter will continue into the next season? And that he isn't regenerating this season?[/QUOTE]
I hope so. I like Capaldi, and having him as a one-season Doctor would be really disappointing.
[QUOTE=woolio1;46407404]I hope so. I like Capaldi, and having him as a one-season Doctor would be really disappointing.[/QUOTE]
Yeah, and I think he will since it was his dream to become the Doctor, I can see why he would leave after a season, keep the good memories, not get typecast and just enjoy the bit you did, otherwise it would get old. But I can also see him sticking with it for as long as he can, like William, he would do it for the kids and he did it till he was ill and sadly...passed away.
[QUOTE=Xonax;46407173]Do..Do you guys think Peter will continue into the next season? And that he isn't regenerating this season?[/QUOTE]
He's back at Christmas of course... and has himself spoken about Series 9 plans. He's going nowhere, I'm sure. Filming is likely starting in two months - would have to be one of the BBC's best cover-ups to keep it hidden :v:
I hope we get someone to be The Doctor longer than we had in the reboot, it would even be cool if it was around the same length or more as Tom as he is the longest Doctor so far...It would be awesome if it was Peter.
Christmas Teaser at the end? :v:
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